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MolonLabe2008
04-14-2009, 1:07 PM
http://img.breitbart.com/images/2009/4/14/ap-p/9d90422f-c905-457a-8e1a-3f3d9f401f9f.jpg

A woman was arrested guarding an arsenal that included an anti-aircraft machine gun—the first weapon of its kind seized in Mexico, police said Tuesday.

Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97IE0A02&show_article=1

AKman
04-14-2009, 1:13 PM
So, I wonder how long the drug cartels had to wait to get this neutered semi-auto 1919a4 from Allied Armament?

wash
04-14-2009, 1:16 PM
Nice sling.

NRAhighpowershooter
04-14-2009, 1:17 PM
So, I wonder how long the drug cartels had to wait to get this neutered semi-auto 1919a4 from Allied Armament?

6-8 months like the rest of us.. and it probably doesn't work like the usuall AA stuff.......:TFH::rolleyes:

AKman
04-14-2009, 1:19 PM
Looking at the tripod, I guess its only good for shooting down aircraft at ground level. Then again, that pretty much sums up the Mexican Air Farce.

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 1:24 PM
Where the hell are they getting 'anti-aircraft'? There's nothing remotely AA related connected to that 1919.

Groan.

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 1:26 PM
Looking at the tripod, I guess its only good for shooting down aircraft at ground level. Then again, that pretty much sums up the Mexican Air Farce.

or heli's? it could probably sink a mexican navy ship too. :p

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 1:28 PM
Where the hell are they getting 'anti-aircraft'? There's nothing remotely AA related connected to that 1919.

Groan.

they used to shoot paper planes down in WW1 with MG's. ;)

so if the red barron was comming for them they'd be ready.

tgriffin
04-14-2009, 1:28 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

Model X
04-14-2009, 1:28 PM
Well you could shoot it at an aircraft.

Meet my anti-aircraft pistol!! Capable of downing planes with ludicrously lucky shots!

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 1:35 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

aye brother i do.

racer_X_123
04-14-2009, 1:36 PM
this seems like alot of magazines...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/14/article-1170064-047231DB000005DC-330_634x389.jpg

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 1:40 PM
this seems like alot of magazines...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/14/article-1170064-047231DB000005DC-330_634x389.jpg

wait there two ladies then.

510dat
04-14-2009, 1:45 PM
From the article:

Cruz said the confiscated .50-caliber, anti-aircraft machine gun can fire 800 rounds per minute and is capable of penetrating armor from more than 5,000 feet (1,500 meters). Police on a routine patrol Monday found the gun fitted atop an SUV at a house in northern Sonora state.

Authorities did not release any other details about the gun, including its make, where it was manufactured, or where it was sold....

Assailants have fired on government aircraft performing anti-drug missions in Mexico in the past, but apparently never with the caliber of weapon found Monday.

:rolleyes:

bohoki
04-14-2009, 1:46 PM
i guess that is anti aircraft if you are in ww1

i got that many ak mags in my safe

grahlaika
04-14-2009, 1:46 PM
they used to shoot paper planes down in WW1 with MG's. ;)

so if the red barron was comming for them they'd be ready.

Sounds about right as far as the Mexican Air Force is concerned... =)

CCWFacts
04-14-2009, 1:47 PM
or heli's?

Definitely, something like that could be fatal for police helicopters. By the time the pilot realized they are under fire, and started getting the helicopter moving, it could have gotten a couple dozen hits, enough to kill pilot / crew or to cause serious damage to the helicopter.

wash
04-14-2009, 1:47 PM
The Cartel gunmen probably drop their AK mags when they reload so the federales can just pick them up later after the gunmen leave.

AKman
04-14-2009, 1:48 PM
or heli's? it could probably sink a mexican navy ship too. :p

I did a wreck dive through a Mexican navy ship a couple of years ago. I understand that it was sunk after being rammed by a couple of Guatemalan illegal immigrants in a row boat.

yellowfin
04-14-2009, 1:50 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that? I concur, and she brings an MP5 to the party too so double hottie.

AJAX22
04-14-2009, 1:50 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

The thought crossed my mind....

if its a dude... well... he has pretty eyes... gimme a case of beer and put some makeup on him... and well... what happens in TJ stays in TJ right Chief?

BONECUTTER
04-14-2009, 1:53 PM
Looks like they have a flare laucher in the pic posing as a 40mm as well.

wash
04-14-2009, 1:56 PM
From the article:

Cruz said the confiscated .50-caliber, anti-aircraft machine gun can fire 800 rounds per minute and is capable of penetrating armor from more than 5,000 feet (1,500 meters). Police on a routine patrol Monday found the gun fitted atop an SUV at a house in northern Sonora state.

Authorities did not release any other details about the gun, including its make, where it was manufactured, or where it was sold....

Assailants have fired on government aircraft performing anti-drug missions in Mexico in the past, but apparently never with the caliber of weapon found Monday.

:rolleyes:
That barrel must be really shot out.

Stan_Humphries
04-14-2009, 2:03 PM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

BONECUTTER
04-14-2009, 2:07 PM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

It also included ammunition, five rifles, a grenade and part of a grenade launcher.

LOL.... I knew it....unless my eyes are giving up on me it says 37mm launcher.

Those hard core drug lord might flare each other to death..... :rolleyes:

CHS
04-14-2009, 2:28 PM
I love the fact that it's got a sling.

That would be one hell of an uncomfortably slinged "rifle".

BONECUTTER
04-14-2009, 2:30 PM
I love the fact that it's got a sling.

That would be one hell of an uncomfortably slinged "rifle".

Come on man....you know you want to put a adjustable two point on yours and be high-speed. ;)

CAL.BAR
04-14-2009, 2:30 PM
I suppose technically the .30 was used during WWII in many fighters and bombers to shoot at/down enemy aircraft. (usually in pairs however, but technically true nonetheless)

Vanguard
04-14-2009, 2:31 PM
That is not an AA machine gun. I guess all machine guns have a limited AA capability but I haven't seen too many with a caliber less than .50 designated for AA use. I think some of the old WWII British bombers had .30 cal guns for defense.

Vanguard
04-14-2009, 2:35 PM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

That picture is how all my really good dreams start. :thumbsup:

6172crew
04-14-2009, 2:37 PM
Whats with the spike tactical 37mm flare launcher?:p

BONECUTTER
04-14-2009, 2:42 PM
Whats with the spike tactical 37mm flare launcher?:p

Not Spikes....its a Cobray

https://www.onlinesecureordering.com/37MMFL15.jpg

aca
04-14-2009, 2:45 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

"Holy Molle . . . are those grenades in your tactical chest pouches, or are you just happy to see me?"

stormy_clothing
04-14-2009, 2:51 PM
Well you could shoot it at an aircraft.

Meet my anti-aircraft pistol!! Capable of downing planes with ludicrously lucky shots!

could happen.....

http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/jokergun.jpg

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 3:01 PM
Hrrm.

There seems to be confusion on whether or not it's an M2 or a 1919. I know I'm having difficulty figuring it out. It doesn't help that there's not much of a scale reference in the photo.

Looking at the belt, I'm inclined to think it's an M2, especially considering the size of the cartridges in the belt compared to the ammo boxes in the foreground.

Interesting that the Federales in the photos are wearing masks, probably to protect their identity...indicative of the corruption inherent in Mexico.

Sandman511
04-14-2009, 3:01 PM
With all the money they odviously have, why not.........:confused:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Towed_Rapier_SAM.jpg

ivanimal
04-14-2009, 3:05 PM
Ha! I thought they had the Chief!

Darklyte27
04-14-2009, 3:06 PM
that aircraft must be sitting on the runway for it to be shot down!

Sandman511
04-14-2009, 3:11 PM
:rofl2: or a low-flying Cessna :rofl2:

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 3:16 PM
With all the money they odviously have, why not.........:confused:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Towed_Rapier_SAM.jpg

while that looks cool i think they may have been going for the dual purpose AA platform. (one that can be fire on vehicles)

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/203/medium/DSC00218_ZPU-4.JPG

Vanguard
04-14-2009, 3:18 PM
Hrrm.

There seems to be confusion on whether or not it's an M2 or a 1919. I know I'm having difficulty figuring it out. It doesn't help that there's not much of a scale reference in the photo.

Looking at the belt, I'm inclined to think it's an M2, especially considering the size of the cartridges in the belt compared to the ammo boxes in the foreground.

Interesting that the Federales in the photos are wearing masks, probably to protect their identity...indicative of the corruption inherent in Mexico.

It's clearly a .30 cal, not a .50 cal.

DRH
04-14-2009, 3:18 PM
That is not an AA machine gun. I guess all machine guns have a limited AA capability but I haven't seen too many with a caliber less than .50 designated for AA use. I think some of the old WWII British bombers had .30 cal guns for defense.

Many of the WW1 and post WW1 aircraft had .30 cal machine guns but with much higher rates of fire than the 400 rounds per minute that the ground 1919A4 browning will produce. The FN 8mm aircraft guns ran at 1600 rounds per minute, in pairs they exceeded todays minigun in volume of fire.

xxdabroxx
04-14-2009, 3:21 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

YES!!!!

Sandman511
04-14-2009, 3:26 PM
I hear you Lion..

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_20mm-65_c30_Vierling_pic.jpg

How about this??

DDT
04-14-2009, 3:32 PM
Even Jane Fonda knows THAT isn't an AA gun....

gazzavc
04-14-2009, 3:46 PM
That is not an AA machine gun. I guess all machine guns have a limited AA capability but I haven't seen too many with a caliber less than .50 designated for AA use. I think some of the old WWII British bombers had .30 cal guns for defense.

The ANM2 Browning was license built in the UK during WWII, It served as the armament for almost all of the early WWII British aircraft. They were also used as defensive armament in all of the British bombers, either in double or quadruple power operated turrets.

And yes that is definatly a Browning M1919A4 MMG on a tripod. An M2 50 cal is an entirely much bigger beast.

CHS
04-14-2009, 3:56 PM
Many of the WW1 and post WW1 aircraft had .30 cal machine guns but with much higher rates of fire than the 400 rounds per minute that the ground 1919A4 browning will produce. The FN 8mm aircraft guns ran at 1600 rounds per minute, in pairs they exceeded todays minigun in volume of fire.

Hrmm...

1600 * 2 = 3200

3200 != 4000/6000

Might want to check your math on that one ;)

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 4:00 PM
And yes that is definatly a Browning M1919A4 MMG on a tripod. An M2 50 cal is an entirely much bigger beast.

Thanks for the confirmation(same to Vanguard).

Time for us to deluge that article for feeding blatant misinformation to the public. Not only is it NOT a AA weapon, it's not even a .50!

The Associated Press clearly has an agenda with this article.

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 4:15 PM
I hear you Lion..

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_20mm-65_c30_Vierling_pic.jpg

How about this??

no wheels they need to bug out with it when the army comes with the heavy stuff.

timdps
04-14-2009, 4:15 PM
Where the hell are they getting 'anti-aircraft'? There's nothing remotely AA related connected to that 1919.

Groan.

Check out the photo below the table. It shows what appears to be a truck mounted .50 cal. with gun shield.

Tim

BillCA
04-14-2009, 4:19 PM
It's clearly NOT a .50 BMG, but a M1919.

Here's the M1919
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/BillCA/Hobby/misc/m1919.jpg

Versus the .50 BMG:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/BillCA/Hobby/misc/50cal_machinegun.jpg

And the variants of the M2 .50
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff111/BillCA/Hobby/misc/Browning_50_cal_Book_TMG_Chinn_T_Mo.jpg

It's obvious that the reason no one released the name of the manufacturer is that it would probably be too easy to dispute that it's an AA weapon.

fred40
04-14-2009, 4:20 PM
I've heard druglords have blackhawk style helis. Couldn't find anything though.

DRH
04-14-2009, 4:26 PM
The M134 minigun rate of fire is 2000 on slow and 4000 on fast.

technique
04-14-2009, 4:29 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?

heck yeah.....:)


lol at the 1919 AA..:rolleyes:

I wonder if that is a 37mm spikes launcher too.

gn3hz3ku1*
04-14-2009, 4:31 PM
this seems like alot of magazines...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/14/article-1170064-047231DB000005DC-330_634x389.jpg

is that a 50 cal on the table on top of the 4 aa guns?

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 4:40 PM
...found the gun fitted atop an SUV

Okay, this is starting to make more sense. The .50 in question is the one in the photo on the back of the truck. The 1919 is simply being shown either deliberately or because the AP doesn't know the difference.

So, until the photo of the truck / bed mount is available to the public, we can't really dispute the claim.

Regardless, you don't buy stuff like this stateside unless youve got a LOT of money. Good luck getting it across the border.

Adonlude
04-14-2009, 4:47 PM
Okay, this is starting to make more sense. The .50 in question is the one in the photo on the back of the truck. The 1919 is simply being shown either deliberately or because the AP doesn't know the difference.

So, until the photo of the truck / bed mount is available to the public, we can't really dispute the claim.

Regardless, you don't buy stuff like this stateside unless youve got a LOT of money. Good luck getting it across the border.

Look in the photo with the chopper, on the table all the way to the left. That looks like a 50BMG rifle of some sort. Perhaps they figured that since they seized a 50BMG rifle and a regular machine gun they could just put the two together and say they confiscated a 50BMG machine gun.

5968
04-14-2009, 4:57 PM
Look in the photo with the chopper, on the table all the way to the left. That looks like a 50BMG rifle of some sort. Perhaps they figured that since they seized a 50BMG rifle and a regular machine gun they could just put the two together and say they confiscated a 50BMG machine gun.

I was thinking the same thing. It is kind of hard to tell what 50 BMG is in the picture, but it looks like an Arma Lite AR 50 to me.

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 5:10 PM
I know that seems likely, but look at the photos of the white pickup that are propped up in front of the table that the 1919 is on. It's got a flexible mount in the bed with a weapon that has a shield on it. The article says the .50 AA weapon was mounted on an SUV. I think the truck/weapon in the photo is what's being referred to, not the weapons on the table, they're just not showing us larger photos of the truck.

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 5:15 PM
Here we are, THAT'S an M-2 with what might be a AA mount.

http://www.france24.com/files/afp/photo_1239745263065-1-0.jpg

From this article:

http://www.france24.com/en/20090415-mexico-police-seize-anti-aircraft-weapon

Springfield45
04-14-2009, 5:31 PM
I am calling BS. If they had a truck mounted .50 MG like in the photo they would of had it there. They love showing off what they find. Then they could of had the chicks sitting on the hood.

This one is lost in translation.

Score is:

one single shot 50. cal. rifle.
One 1919 .30 cal. MG on a tripod.
One British bolt action rifle.
One scoped hunting rifle.
One AK47 type.
One AR15 varmint rifle.
One 37mm Flair launcher.
A *** load of mags and some ammo.

And one UH-60 Blackhawk Helicopter that has never flown because they use it only for Photo ops.

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 5:45 PM
See the last post on the page prior to this one.

It appears that a few sources outside the U.S. media are running photos of the actual M2 and its shield and mount, and the majority of U.S. media is misrepresenting the 1919 as the M2.

France 24 Article showing the M2 on its mount. (http://www.france24.com/en/20090415-mexico-police-seize-anti-aircraft-weapon)

Yahoo! Canada showing the correct photo as well. (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090414/world/mexico_crime_drugs_weapons)

Hrrrrrm.

colossians323
04-14-2009, 6:10 PM
It's clearly a .30 cal, not a .50 cal.

If you look on the far left side of the table, there is a 50 and it appears to be belt fed, as the rounds are hanging out of it.

Sandman511
04-14-2009, 6:19 PM
no wheels they need to bug out with it when the army comes with the heavy stuff.

More of a last stand configuration......

Smokey510
04-14-2009, 6:53 PM
http://img.breitbart.com/images/2009/4/14/ap-p/9d90422f-c905-457a-8e1a-3f3d9f401f9f.jpg



Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97IE0A02&show_article=1

Thats not anti-aircraft. Thats anti-anything that gets in its way.

DB2
04-14-2009, 6:58 PM
while flipping through the tv channels, i saw the story. In the back of a Ford pickup there is a .50 on a mount with an armor plate.
The story is correct mentioning the ma duece. I guess there just isn't a pic of it.

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 7:02 PM
I'm sure they bought that machine gun in a BIG5 here...

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 7:19 PM
More of a last stand configuration......

they don't seem like the fanatical or MoA type. they're in it for the money or they don't want to die or their family memebers to die.

Sandman511
04-14-2009, 7:23 PM
they don't seem like the fanatical or MoA type. they're in it for the money or they don't want to die or their family memebers to die.

True.... but they must have a HQ.:iggy:

jamesob
04-14-2009, 7:23 PM
are they calling that a 50? thats no 50.

The Wingnut
04-14-2009, 7:27 PM
I guess there just isn't a pic of it.

There is a photo, the U.S. news services aren't running it and are instead showing a Browning 1919 seized in the same raid.

This photo can be found elsewhere on the net:

France 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20090415-mexico-police-seize-anti-aircraft-weapon)

Yahoo! Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090414/world/mexico_crime_drugs_weapons)

http://www.france24.com/files/afp/photo_1239745263065-1-0.jpg

I'm gonna keep banging this drum 'til somebody hears it. :p

rmasold
04-14-2009, 7:29 PM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

Did they get that ammo at walmart? :)

jamesob
04-14-2009, 7:54 PM
There is a photo, the U.S. news services aren't running it and are instead showing a Browning 1919 seized in the same raid.

This photo can be found elsewhere on the net:

France 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20090415-mexico-police-seize-anti-aircraft-weapon)

Yahoo! Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090414/world/mexico_crime_drugs_weapons)

http://www.france24.com/files/afp/photo_1239745263065-1-0.jpg

I'm gonna keep banging this drum 'til somebody hears it. :p

now thats a 50

SimpleCountryActuary
04-14-2009, 7:57 PM
Did they get that ammo at walmart? :)

THAT'S who's been taking all of the 22LR!!!!!!! :willy_nilly:

tankerman
04-14-2009, 8:00 PM
Not really, I think Ajax22 sold twice that many rebuild kits on this board.
this seems like alot of magazines...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/14/article-1170064-047231DB000005DC-330_634x389.jpg

Mac Attack
04-14-2009, 8:07 PM
It doesn't look like a .50 cal to me? Looks like a 1919 in .30 cal

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 8:18 PM
True.... but they must have a HQ.:iggy:

HQ they probably have a whole city like Fallujah. i remember seeing that alot of them are mexican special forces or trained by them.( i think we trained them)* so they would put up a good fight conventionally probably, especially if it were dirty special forces vs. federal police. (the mex. army may win) one word mismatch.



*why does it keep biting us in the a** whenever we train some unconventional troops and they end up do sh*t we dont want them to. (i.e Taliban, South vietnamese, Mexicans)

cortayack
04-14-2009, 8:57 PM
I found this interesting:

The seizure came two days before a visit to Mexico by US President Barack Obama in which Mexico's violent drug cartels and their mainly US-bought weapons were set to top the agenda. By a house near the US border!!!

I say bait and hook................

M. Sage
04-14-2009, 10:03 PM
Definitely, something like that could be fatal for police helicopters. By the time the pilot realized they are under fire, and started getting the helicopter moving, it could have gotten a couple dozen hits, enough to kill pilot / crew or to cause serious damage to the helicopter.

It's going to be hard to hit a helicopter doing a hundred + miles an hour a couple thousand feet up. Especially considering that 1919's tripod is way too short to elevate that far, and that it lacks anti-air sights. And that's assuming that you can find someone who knows how to use said sights properly.

Yeah, it'd be dangerous in a low hover.

FWIW, Mexican police are just as big criminals as those in the cartels.

I suppose technically the .30 was used during WWII in many fighters and bombers to shoot at/down enemy aircraft. (usually in pairs however, but technically true nonetheless)

Not in the US... Brits liked their .303 MGs (early war; late war they got wise and went to 20mm on fighters), but we went to .50s fast. There were a few with .30 cals, but they were the minority.

I've heard druglords have blackhawk style helis. Couldn't find anything though.

What is a Black Hawk style helicopter? If they have a Hawk, they got it from the Mexican government... which wouldn't surprise me, considering the line between cartel and government/police is seriously blurred down there.

There is a photo, the U.S. news services aren't running it and are instead showing a Browning 1919 seized in the same raid.

This photo can be found elsewhere on the net:

France 24 (http://www.france24.com/en/20090415-mexico-police-seize-anti-aircraft-weapon)

Yahoo! Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090414/world/mexico_crime_drugs_weapons)

http://www.france24.com/files/afp/photo_1239745263065-1-0.jpg

I'm gonna keep banging this drum 'til somebody hears it. :p

Still falls short of what's described in the article. They said it was an anti-air gun. That's definitely not, since it lacks the proper sights. It'd be a royal PITA to use that thing in an anti-air role.

http://akeyboardanda45.blogspot.com/2006/12/browning-50-caliber-water-cooled.html That shows a pic of an M2 in the anti-air configuration. Other configurations would be dual or quad mounted on a carriage.

.50 cal machine gun? Yep. AA weapon? I have yet to see evidence of one. They got a technical, not an AA gun.

oldrifle
04-14-2009, 10:19 PM
That definitely came from a US gun shop.

oldrifle
04-14-2009, 10:24 PM
How did they get that??? You can't have anything bigger than a .22 cal in Mexico. Someone should tell these drug dealers that they're breaking the law.

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 10:28 PM
Guys,
To me, this stinks. And the more I look at it, the more it does.
I have no "proof" (yet) but this is a made up piece of ssshhhhh...

eltee
04-14-2009, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the confirmation(same to Vanguard).

Time for us to deluge that article for feeding blatant misinformation to the public. Not only is it NOT a AA weapon, it's not even a .50!

The Associated Press clearly has an agenda with this article.

They'll probably claim it was purchased at the Reno Gunshow and smuggled across the border into Mexico by American pro-gun extremists.

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 10:38 PM
What I mean, this never happened. IMHO, this is a lie.

jacques
04-14-2009, 10:57 PM
What I mean, this never happened. IMHO, this is a lie.

Very possible. I would not put it past them.

JayRuff
04-14-2009, 11:03 PM
if you think that those woman pictured are hot, then you must have pretty low standards

lioneaglegriffin
04-14-2009, 11:09 PM
if you think that those woman pictured are hot, then you must have pretty low standards

the guns make them hot.

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 11:16 PM
if you think that those woman pictured are hot, then you must have pretty low standards

If you think that those women are hot, tell me, how many are "hot"? And how many look too similar? ;)

JayRuff
04-14-2009, 11:35 PM
I'm just saying, this would be my definition of hot :p

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4092/chickwithgun.jpg

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 11:38 PM
Irrelevant.
But hot.

Cru Jones
04-15-2009, 12:11 AM
That definitely came from the closet of a right wing extremist. They've been hoarding food, guns, ammo and .50 cal anti-aircraft machine guns. Me? I don't own any guns. I'm just here for the company.

Bizcuits
04-15-2009, 12:13 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that picture looks staged? It looks like a GI Joe model painted with a back yard thrown in.... Who the hell leaves a machine gun loaded when showing it off to the public, unless at a range...

lioneaglegriffin
04-15-2009, 12:26 AM
That definitely came from the closet of a right wing extremist. They've been hoarding food, guns, ammo and .50 cal anti-aircraft machine guns. Me? I don't own any guns. I'm just here for the company.

whats with the NRA shield is that for show or what?

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 12:41 AM
Lots of tiny things...
Too many.

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 12:43 AM
wait there two ladies then.

4 ladies on that picture.

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 12:45 AM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

"two female federals", as in "don't sue us for sexual harassment"?

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 12:51 AM
If I wanted to have your positive votes on something, should I start with ugly and cruel guys, rather than hot b*ches supporting my message?
We see sex, poor kids and a new solution to some health problem, 100 times a day.

biglou
04-15-2009, 8:14 AM
Just seen on FoxNews the female in the middle in civies is now in protective custody. The cartels have a hit on her. That picture does looked staged.

lioneaglegriffin
04-15-2009, 8:18 AM
4 ladies on that picture.

what>? two females federali's, one femal supspecte=3 females

CowboyShooter
04-15-2009, 9:18 AM
See the last post on the page prior to this one.

It appears that a few sources outside the U.S. media are running photos of the actual M2 and its shield and mount, and the majority of U.S. media is misrepresenting the 1919 as the M2.


I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you....

the US media misrepresenting a gun-related story???!!!!


never.


:p

Sam1
04-15-2009, 9:31 AM
looks like they didn't remove the machine gun from the truck bed, those on the table are other weapons found.

Aegis
04-15-2009, 9:44 AM
These so called "journalists" should do some research before releasing this propaganda.

Tweak338
04-15-2009, 9:44 AM
why is the woman not in cuffs?>

DDT
04-15-2009, 9:48 AM
why is the woman not in cuffs?>

No bedposts?

Greg-Dawg
04-15-2009, 9:50 AM
It was probably pointing up when the feds found it.

Python2
04-15-2009, 11:36 AM
Staged! No cuff, a loaded MG and two hot federales being shown? Gimme a break.

Lancear15
04-15-2009, 11:41 AM
In Mexico the Feds have to cover all their faces, the criminals don't and are all well known by the locals. It is pretty obvious who is in control over there. I would say the US should take it over, if burning garbage piles weren't there largest national resource. Not a bad place to vacation though! Viva Cancun!!!

yellowfin
04-15-2009, 11:48 AM
Just seen on FoxNews the female in the middle in civies is now in protective custody. The cartels have a hit on her. That picture does looked staged.
I'm sure lots of guys hit on her all the time, particularly since she has a 1919.

CHS
04-15-2009, 12:34 PM
It looks like she's got cuffs on. Probably just the zip-tie's. In all the pictures her wrists are down and right in front of her, very close together.

We probably just can't see them.

KAVEMAN762
04-15-2009, 1:40 PM
Here is the good-looking suspect who was guarding the stash, and two female federales guarding her.

20899

She is good looking, BTW the cartridges look to small for .50 cal. They look like 30 calibre bullets. If you look down on the far left federale official member, you can see a spent .50 case standing straight up, next to all the .30 ammo.

james s
04-15-2009, 2:20 PM
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/lancero22/abril09/610xxx.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/lancero22/abril09/610xx.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa311/lancero22/abril09/610x.jpg

The Wingnut
04-15-2009, 2:29 PM
Holy cow, it was sitting RIGHT THERE!? I figured maybe they had it off-site or brought in later and that's why most news services weren't showing it.

As it is, the photographer had to stand RIGHT NEXT TO IT in order to take most of the photos we're seeing.

This is the blatant misinformation and deception inherent in our domestic press.

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 2:42 PM
what>? two females federali's, one femal supspecte=3 females

On the first pic with the chopper, two females on both sides of the "suspect" female, that's three. Far left, one more female.

A-Ron
04-15-2009, 6:38 PM
Anyone else think the federale in the picture is a chick and a potential hot one at that?


I thought the exact same thing.

yellowfin
04-15-2009, 7:42 PM
Yet AGAIN tonight NBC ran the 90% lie, this time directly from Calderon's mouth pushing the AWB.

Sandman511
04-15-2009, 7:45 PM
:eek:

gazzavc
04-15-2009, 7:48 PM
Just seen on FoxNews the female in the middle in civies is now in protective custody. The cartels have a hit on her. That picture does looked staged.

Send her round my place. I'll give her some protective custard.......dy :thumbsup: