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supersonic
04-13-2009, 1:32 PM
EDIT: I found the perfect mount for my 10X SS - check pics out in post #25!
I recently "finished" realizing my PRK FAL. It was originally purchased as a DSA STG58 Fixed Magazine Austrian Standard. However, it definitely needed some changes. I have a 10x SS for it (this rifle is extremely accurate, but not what I'd call "precision"), but I want a QD mount so I can access the irons for close-up work in a pinch. I replaced the standard (FUGLY) PG with a DSA OD SAW; installed a DSA HD 1913 top cover; "converted" it over to JJPERL'S excellent BB shroud; replaced the stock "Austrian-Style" black steel HG's with the OD polymer Belgian ones; added one of my "homemade" 10/20 pre-ban mags from the old 20's I've had forever, and now she's an SA58 beauty (at least in my eyes!)

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3202.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3204.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3205.jpg
Here's the "access hole" on JJ's BulletButton (yes, .308's fit perfectly), and you can see my sloppy "touch-up" paint job over the rivet I installed to limit the mag to 10 rounds:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3206.jpg
THIS was the hardest part to find. Folding charging handles are mostly known as an "inch-gun" part. However, some serious searching on the FAL Files got me in touch with a guy that had metric versions. Here, you can see the handle deployed:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3207.jpg
And here you can see how it folds forward automatically when the bolt is released. (you can also fold it manually, regardless of the handle's position):
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3208.jpg

Hope 'yall enjoyed my pictorial!

HUTCH 7.62
04-13-2009, 1:39 PM
I rebarreled my stg 58 from a 16' to the standard 21' such a better rifle now. also figured that clearing a house with a FAL would be an abortion anyway

djleisure
04-13-2009, 1:51 PM
Nice work - beautiful rifle!

Racefiend
04-13-2009, 1:52 PM
Very nice! Mind sharing who makes the folding charging handle?

Also, as far as the scope mounts, you can get some tall see through mounts. I have some on mine, and can use the iron sights just fine with the scope mounted.

Jpach
04-13-2009, 2:05 PM
SEXY!!!!!!! Very nice looking FAL

supersonic
04-13-2009, 2:05 PM
Very nice! Mind sharing who makes the folding charging handle?

Also, as far as the scope mounts, you can get some tall see through mounts. I have some on mine, and can use the iron sights just fine with the scope mounted.

Charging handle info: Price is $38.00 shipped.
Add $2.00 (optional) to insure.
(I'd make sure to note that it is for a metric rifle)
Please send payment to:
Larry Briggs
610 North st
Springhill, KS 66083

Now, tell me about that see-through mount!

Racefiend
04-13-2009, 2:34 PM
Cool! Thanks for the contact info.

I can't remember the brand of rings I got, they may be these B squares, they look just like them (but the black version)

http://secure.armorholdings.com/b-square/media/mounts/20057.jpg

You can check out their website here:

http://secure.armorholdings.com/b-square/rings_sportutility.html

It's their 1" standard dovetail high mounts.

I'll see if I can take a pic of the view "down the barrel" tonight for you. What size is the objective of your scope?

Omega13device
04-13-2009, 2:35 PM
On your 10/20 mag conversion, with the rivets on the sides don't they interfere with the mag spring?

supersonic
04-13-2009, 4:28 PM
I'll see if I can take a pic of the view "down the barrel" tonight for you. What size is the objective of your scope?
42mm
On your 10/20 mag conversion, with the rivets on the sides don't they interfere with the mag spring?
Nope. I put one on each side (fore & aft) and it merely stops the follower. The rivets sit *between* the spring "windings," so (in theory) the spring just "sandwiches" the rivets when compressed.

Omega13device
04-13-2009, 5:05 PM
I put one on each side (fore & aft) and it merely stops the follower. The rivets sit *between* the spring "windings," so (in theory) the spring just "sandwiches" the rivets when compressed.
If the spring can't move past the rivets then you're only getting compression from a few coils. The rest of the spring isn't doing anything. Have you tried it to see if it functions ok? I'd think you could possibly have problems with rounds not feeding.

jjperl
04-13-2009, 5:14 PM
Hey very nice FAL. Looks like you have been getting some good use out of the bullet button. :thumbsup:

CHS
04-13-2009, 5:20 PM
What, no BEFORE pics!!??

CalJeep
04-13-2009, 5:39 PM
Did you have to remove the spot weld that DSA puts on their lowers? If so, how? I bought the BB and I am debating whether or not to shave that little weld off...

jjperl
04-13-2009, 6:13 PM
I'm not familiar with this weld, where is it located? pics?

Did you have to remove the spot weld that DSA puts on their lowers? If so, how? I bought the BB and I am debating whether or not to shave that little weld off...

Icon_556
04-13-2009, 6:38 PM
NICE!

supersonic
04-14-2009, 1:09 AM
If the spring can't move past the rivets then you're only getting compression from a few coils. The rest of the spring isn't doing anything. Have you tried it to see if it functions ok? I'd think you could possibly have problems with rounds not feeding.

It functions perfectly. I have put in excess of 100 rounds through it without a single hiccup.:thumbsup:

supersonic
04-14-2009, 5:50 AM
Did you have to remove the spot weld that DSA puts on their lowers? If so, how? I bought the BB and I am debating whether or not to shave that little weld off...

Yes. It was done SURGICALLY via Dremel and a very narrow iron oxide bit. I say "surgically" because the space where the "spot weld" is (it's more like a TIG bead!!!!!!! PITA!!!!) could be described as impossibly tight and it IS a B!TCH. In the end, I even couldn't help (even though I worked extremely carefully & s-s-l-o-w-l-y) *slightly* dinging a small portion of the surrounding area. I've heard that the "bead" (which is was it probably WAS @ the time) used to be able to be knocked right off with a hammer & small punch. If I have time today, I'll tear the mag catch/bolt hold-open apart and take a pic for all to see exactly what I'm talking about.
-Scott

Beatone
04-14-2009, 9:32 AM
Good job. I like it. :thumbsup:

Wyseguy
04-14-2009, 10:50 AM
Very nice. I'm going to get that folding charging handle when I start my build!

CalJeep
04-14-2009, 10:53 AM
Yes. It was done SURGICALLY via Dremel and a very narrow iron oxide bit. I say "surgically" because the space where the "spot weld" is (it's more like a TIG bead!!!!!!! PITA!!!!) could be described as impossibly tight and it IS a B!TCH. In the end, I even couldn't help (even though I worked extremely carefully & s-s-l-o-w-l-y) *slightly* dinging a small portion of the surrounding area. I've heard that the "bead" (which is was it probably WAS @ the time) used to be able to be knocked right off with a hammer & small punch. If I have time today, I'll tear the mag catch/bolt hold-open apart and take a pic for all to see exactly what I'm talking about.
-Scott

Thanks! That would be awesome. How do you like that DSA HD 1913 top cover? My screws kept getting stripped and falling out...

supersonic
04-14-2009, 12:31 PM
Thanks! That would be awesome. How do you like that DSA HD 1913 top cover? My screws kept getting stripped and falling out...

Make sure they are tightened in an "X" (like mounting scope rings), and use blue locktite. Are you noticing the screws coming loose due to firing the rifle?:confused:

CalJeep
04-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Ok, Ill do that next time. Yea, the screws fell out after a day's use. Since I finished my AR, I had nothing to screw around with... looks like I will start to build up my SA58. :thumbsup:

wash
04-14-2009, 1:32 PM
I don't know the details of that charging handle but most "metric" folding charging handles use a modified "inch" folding part.

It works, they are OK but it's not the best way to do it.

FN did make folding handle "metric" FAL's. They were para models and the upper receiver was cut for it just like the inch receivers were. If you cut the receiver for it, you could use the same type of folding charging handle but with an un-modified folding part which would look better and be more comfortable in operation.

I think DSA should offer three production options on their "metric" uppers:

#1. A cut for a folding charging handle.

#2. A para cut to use original style para top covers.

#3. A cut for inch style top cover ears.

If they did that, you could order an upper that would work with almost any parts you want to use straight out of the box, no need to cut and refinish.

Racefiend
04-14-2009, 7:50 PM
Sorry I didn't get the pics last night, I got home pretty late from the Warriors game. Anyways, here's the pics of the mounts installed.

Here you can see how high the mounts are. That scope has a 40mm objective, so it should be pretty much identical to yours:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Racefiend/Guns/FALside.jpg

Here you can see the clearance through the see-through holes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Racefiend/Guns/sight2.jpg

And here's looking through the peep sight:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Racefiend/Guns/sight1.jpg

Hope that helps.

supersonic
04-16-2009, 11:31 AM
I was originally going to go with the SPR mount, but I am so completely disgusted by Mark "Mr. Patriot" LaRue's policy regarding PRK, that I have made a conscious decision to "remove" myself from his customer base completely & forever. However, Al Talbot's QD 1913 systems are over $500 now, so I wasn't about to put another one of those wonderful beasts on a rifle (especially a "non-precision" gun). After doing some research, I found a mount that is not only SUPERIOR in design to the SPR, but about $20 lighter on the wallet!!!!!:thumbsup: This is the American Defense ADM Recon30:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3210.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3211.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb181/giftedgiver/DSCN3214.jpg

supersonic
04-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Oh, almost forgot: Mount was $175.:)

4 Brigada
04-16-2009, 12:37 PM
I don't know the details of that charging handle but most "metric" folding charging handles use a modified "inch" folding part.


Thats because original metric ones (standard on FN made para models) are hard to find and they are very expensive. There was a company that made them here in the US as a 922 part . Good Luck on that one.

supersonic
04-16-2009, 2:53 PM
Thats because original metric ones (standard on FN made para models) are hard to find and they are very expensive. There was a company that made them here in the US as a 922 part . Good Luck on that one.

THAT would be the one on my rifle, wouldn't it?:confused:

falawful
04-16-2009, 6:35 PM
You have an inch modified charging handle.

The mods are pretty simple: 1)Sand down the right face of the charging handle slide until it fits the receiver slot 2) Mill/dremel/file/whatever the handle portion until it clears the receiver when folded.

It's pretty easy.

supersonic
04-16-2009, 6:51 PM
You have an inch modified charging handle.

The mods are pretty simple: 1)Sand down the right face of the charging handle slide until it fits the receiver slot 2) Mill/dremel/file/whatever the handle portion until it clears the receiver when folded.

It's pretty easy.

Yeah, this one must have been milled, because it is a completely machined & hard annodized part. Looks factory or custom (?) made.

falawful
04-16-2009, 7:39 PM
The L1A1's handles were steel. Shouldn't be anodized (and therefore aluminum).

Again the machining and re-parkerization (the black coating) is pretty simple.

supersonic
04-16-2009, 9:33 PM
The L1A1's handles were steel. Shouldn't be anodized (and therefore aluminum).
O.K., I see now. The handle IS steel (and therefore parkerized). Thanks for your FAL expertise.:thumbsup:
the machining and re-parkerization (the black coating) is pretty simple.
I think you made your point on how "simple" it is to convert an L1A1 CH to a metric one in an earlier post. No one was debating the "difficulty" of actually making one.;)