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captn-tin
04-12-2009, 10:55 AM
Who cannot be proud of our Military on this beautiful Easter Sunday. A Brave American ships Captain has been rescued by our Brave American Navy!
Three pirate kidnappers are dead, one wounded and captured, hopefully tried and convicted in the United States of America.
I cannot help but believe that these same individuals who rescued Captain Phillips, would also come to the rescue of our country, if our Countries Constitution , Bill of Rights, were threatened.
Lets keep these Countrymen in our thought and prayers.
AMEN

SJgunguy24
04-12-2009, 11:03 AM
:patriot::79:

I was just about to post this in the Off topic forum. USN Seals are second to none.............Thank you for saving a brave man who put his crews saftey before his own.

what2be
04-12-2009, 11:06 AM
Friggin a skippy, this is great news. I was just telling a few friends over breakfast yesterday that this is the prime opportunity for the seals. They train for these kinds of scenarios their whole career, so it would be criminal NOT to let them attempt a rescue of the captain.

Glad it was successful!

Timberline
04-12-2009, 11:06 AM
Who cannot be proud of our Military on this beautiful Easter Sunday. A Brave American ships Captain has been rescued by our Brave American Navy!
Three pirate kidnappers are dead, one wounded and captured, hopefully tried and convicted in the United States of America.
I cannot help but believe that these same individuals who rescued Captain Phillips, would also come to the rescue of our country, if our Countries Constitution , Bill of Rights, were threatened.
Lets keep these Countrymen in our thought and prayers.
AMEN

I'm not religious, so no prayers here, but I'm glad to see that swift action was taken when the opportunity presented itself, and that some Navy Seals got the job done. Will the lawless Somalis now back off? Or will they hunger for further SEAL encounters?

garandguy10
04-12-2009, 11:45 AM
There is still a bunch of italian hostages being held by the Muslim sea terrorists. It will be interesting to see if obama is willing to try for more glory.... oh by the way, YEA SEALS!!

mblat
04-12-2009, 11:49 AM
way, way, way to go....

Sutcliffe
04-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Solving the issue of piracy is too unthinkable for the international laws and courts. Allowing merchant ships to arm themselves makes too much sense.

A'sDad
04-12-2009, 12:34 PM
God- yes I said God Bless America and hang all the bastards that mean us harm!

lioneaglegriffin
04-12-2009, 1:12 PM
Solving the issue of piracy is too unthinkable for the international laws and courts. Allowing merchant ships to arm themselves makes too much sense.

merchant marines with chainguns unthinkable but effective.

the pirates are so ballsy because of the lack of firearms.

Piracy was dealt with by armed merchants & escorts in the past and it'll work now. either that or remove pirate coves which means invading somalia (no one wants that of course)

Cru Jones
04-12-2009, 1:16 PM
The best Easter gift ever! Mega kudos to the US Navy who rescued the heroic hostage and killed the scumbag pirates. By the way... be prepared... the drive-by media has already started. Every headline I have read recently gave credit to Obama for giving the order twice to use miltary force to rescue them, not to the SEALS who rescued him. I can thank Obama for giving the order but the credit is due to the US Navy for their brave actions and for the Captain who offered himself as a hostage to save his crew. Those are the real heroes.

Bizcuits
04-12-2009, 2:02 PM
:sailor:

While it is nice to hear the SEALs kicked butt, I can't help but wonder why they didn't take video camera's with them like when they saved Jessica Lynch... :rolleyes:

nicki
04-12-2009, 2:13 PM
Our Military too unilateral action to get that captain, what about international law. Not only did they take action, but they used excessive force and killed Somalis who are only trying to survive because centuries of exploitation have left the country impoverished:rolleyes:

We should be ashamed of ourselves, I thought we had higher standards:eek:

What will we be doing next, putting bounties on drug cartel leaders:43:, encouraging private mercenaries to hunt and track down supposed enemies of our country( Hello Osama). Are we not a civilized society.;)

All I have to say is the following to this:

We have to fix the US NAVY SEAL TEAM and all the other SPECIAL OPS TEAMS of the UNITED STATES and the way we fix them is we go after their funding and we INCREASE IT 100X.:p

Great News.:thumbsup:


Nicki

GaffSD
04-12-2009, 2:33 PM
Nicki,

That was a great post!

I think that you will find, though, that the Navy people out there don't want more funding...

The've got their missiles, cannons, body armor, M4s and night vision. They feel competent to get these jobs done.

They pay taxes too (although, thankfully, not while in a combat zone!) and understand the tax burden of the American public.

What they REALLY want... Is the latitude to actually DO the jobs that you described.

ALL they need is the order to be given.

Go Navy!

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Ron Craighead, STG1(SW)

oneone
04-12-2009, 2:43 PM
As far as I am concerned the hostage rescue team and Captain Richard Phillips are heros, the media and politicians can kiss my *ss.

Vanguard
04-12-2009, 3:03 PM
Hell yes! Score one for the good guys. Now we need to grow some balls and drop the hammer on these idiot pirates for good. Take the damn gloves off and stop messing around. :mad:

lioneaglegriffin
04-12-2009, 3:20 PM
Our Military too unilateral action to get that captain, what about international law. Not only did they take action, but they used excessive force and killed Somalis who are only trying to survive because centuries of exploitation have left the country impoverished:rolleyes:

We should be ashamed of ourselves, I thought we had higher standards:eek:

What will we be doing next, putting bounties on drug cartel leaders:43:, encouraging private mercenaries to hunt and track down supposed enemies of our country( Hello Osama). Are we not a civilized society.;)

All I have to say is the following to this:

We have to fix the US NAVY SEAL TEAM and all the other SPECIAL OPS TEAMS of the UNITED STATES and the way we fix them is we go after their funding and we INCREASE IT 100X.:p

Great News.:thumbsup:


Nicki

well in exchange for les raptors and other cuts Gates will use the savings from these programs would be funneled into such efforts as enlarging the military's special operations forces and increasing intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance support with $2 billion in additional funds

squishyhead
04-12-2009, 3:44 PM
Yet another example of guns saving lives when they're in the right hands! I'm glad that Obama let a few of our SEALs get a little trigger time in this Easter:thumbsup:

nicki
04-12-2009, 4:45 PM
Well, I always thought the SEAL teams were the baddest and best.

Of course the fact that I did almost 7 years active duty USN isn't clouding my opinion:rolleyes:

At one time I when I was younger I actually thought about going out for the SEAL team, but I was physically disqualified due to eyesight.(Color vision and depth perception).

I don't know if I would have made it through the training, 90 percent drop out.

I am post Vietnam era, but my chiefs were all Vietnam era and to say they were not happy with rules of engagement is a understatement.

I hope for the sake of our military that Obama let's the military run itself, but I'm not holding my breath.

Nicki

GaffSD
04-12-2009, 5:43 PM
Somehow I knew you were Navy... In spite of your refraining from foul language!

Did 10, then got out to be a dad. Tried the Seal PT exam 4 times. Passed, then walked. I'm prone to pneumonia (got it in boot camp), and knew I wouldn't make it through phase 4...

Keep the faith.

Ron

ErikTheRed
04-12-2009, 5:59 PM
I'm not religious, so no prayers here

I'm not "religious" either, but I do believe in the Lord our God Jesus Christ, and may He forever bless the brave men and women of the United States Armed Forces.

Religion is usually what gets in the way of a true and faithful relationship with Christ.

BillCA
04-12-2009, 6:08 PM
Proud? Darn Right!

I'm proud of our Navy having the cajones to make the touch call and with the SEALS for their dedication to duty.

Mostly, though, I'm proud of men like Captain Phillips - a civilian who puts his life on the line for his crew and maintains his head. Maersk lines should give him a huge bonus and bonuses to the crew.

I am a little ticked off that the media so blithely printed the name of the town he lives in in Vermont though. I fear his days sailing merchant ships may be done, due to that.

KylaGWolf
04-12-2009, 6:53 PM
Yep the navy did good.

M. Sage
04-12-2009, 7:09 PM
Three pirate kidnappers are dead, one wounded and captured, hopefully tried and convicted in the United States of America.

Hell with that. Save us some dough and dump his *** over the side in international waters. He can swim home for all I care.

Of course, that should only be after we've pumped him for information ten different ways to know where to send the Tomahawks so that any of his surviving associates will be sure to receive them.

WeRmany
04-12-2009, 7:12 PM
I'm very proud of the members of our armed forces. Thank you one and all for your service.

That captain has BOS. Let the crew go, I'm all you need. Lets go for a swim 200 miles from shore. That would make a SEAL proud.

The second time he did it, the SEALs didn't miss any of the 3 targets.

I would have loved to be the negotiator with the last pirate.

Warhawk014
04-12-2009, 7:14 PM
they shoud turn him into shark chum

Timberline
04-12-2009, 7:47 PM
Proud of our Navy SEALs? Heck yeah. I would be even prouder if we were able to pull off similar actions on the other couple hundred vessels being held for ransom in the region. These Somalis are not "pirates" at all, they're nothing more than loathesome kidnappers and extortionists.

Ultimately, we'll need to improve conditions on land, in Somalia, if we're to get relief at sea.

RomanDad
04-12-2009, 8:02 PM
To answer the thread title:

I'm always proud to be American, and proud of the brave men and women who go in harms way to protect our country.

colossians323
04-13-2009, 4:32 AM
Alas, it did not get solved as a law enforcement issue.
Thanks to the brave snipers that took all four of those scumbags.

gd-bh
04-13-2009, 4:39 AM
Reminds me of the saying "God bless the snipers"...I think he had a great big blessing yesterday...;)

vandal
04-13-2009, 9:42 AM
To hell with that -- let the Italians do it.

There is still a bunch of italian hostages being held by the Muslim sea terrorists. It will be interesting to see if obama is willing to try for more glory.... oh by the way, YEA SEALS!!

7x57
04-13-2009, 11:22 AM
These Somalis are not "pirates" at all, they're nothing more than loathesome kidnappers and extortionists.


Um, what do you think pirates used to be and still are, lovable Disney naughty-boys who never grew up? Pirates typically were worse than kidnappers and extortionists, and still often are (particularly when their prey is a yacht instead of a commercial freighter). There is a good reason why the law of the sea specified death for piracy, no exceptions: it is just too convenient when the only witnesses are your victims, and slaughtering all passengers was just standard fare then and now. The only difference is that now when someone grabs a private yacht for all the fancy electronics Westerners sail with they machine-gun the family with an AK instead of doing something a little more primitive.

I think the reason the crews of commercial freighters today tend to survive piracy is more or less for the same reason that farmers do not kill cows before milking them. Pure economics, if they got more money by killing them all they would in a second. Maybe they also want to minimize the possibility of stirring a Western navy into action. The shipping companies treat it as a cost of doing business--they are willing to lose a container or two, and the seamen are third-worlders working at slave wages (one of the many reasons most merchants fly a flag of convenience--what do you think the wages and workplace standards are under the Panamanian flag?) so I think they are quite frankly treated as expendable too. Part of the significance of this event seems to be that it was one of the remnants of the once-great US-flagged fleet. And yes I think some of my defense department taxes should absolutely be paying for the defense of every US-flagged ship (both of 'em :(), standing orders from the C-i-C and no specific authorization to use force necessary while in international waters.

Apropos of nothing, I seem to recall that we're in a golden age of piracy, thanks to the end of the cold war. During the CW the major powers kept their blue-water fleets busy, and that tended to inhibit piracy. They and we lowered their operational tempo after the thaw to save money.

7x57

Jarrod
04-13-2009, 12:18 PM
It is interesting that the US Navy's first job was to fight Muslim pirates off the Barbary Cost.

"...From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli ..." Urraggh!

Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates (http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html)

Barbary Wars (U.S.M.C. fought the Muslims then & we've got more Muslim Pirates now) (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2226296/posts)

Within days of his March 1801 inauguration as the third President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson ordered a naval and military expedition to North Africa, without the authorization of Congress, to put down regimes involved in slavery and piracy. The war was the first in which the U.S. flag was carried and planted overseas; it saw the baptism by fire of the U.S. Marine Corps-whose anthem boasts of action on "the shores of Tripoli"-and it prefigured later struggles with both terrorism and jihad.

GaffSD
04-13-2009, 3:40 PM
One of my experiences at sea was rescuing over 40 people who were abandoned by pirates near Singapore.

No food, water or gas for those on board this sad boat. Men, women and children from (I think it was) Cambodia.

Pirates were long gone... But you should have seen the looks on their faces when they were greeted by our sailors. Food, medical care, showers and clothing flowed in. Guys gave up their beds so they had a comfortable place to sleep. No life threating situations or killing, but it proves our guys have heart.

I'll try to dig up some pix... Anyway, for anybody who doesn't think that we're the good guys, that kind of thing happens all the time out there. And we love doing it.

Ron

M. Sage
04-13-2009, 4:02 PM
Anyway, for anybody who doesn't think that we're the good guys, that kind of thing happens all the time out there. And we love doing it.

Ron

Nobody with a brain doubts that US forces are the good guys.

nicki
04-14-2009, 2:01 AM
Nobody with a brain doubts that US forces are the good guys.
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Remember the Alamo!


Must be alot of brainless people in San Fran then:p

Nicki

wikidklown
04-14-2009, 2:41 AM
Must be alot of brainless people in San Fran then:p

Nicki

hahaha, makes sense ;)

radioburning
04-14-2009, 10:09 AM
I'm proud of our military every day.

dfletcher
04-14-2009, 10:25 AM
I understand that merchant ships are typically not armed because it presents problems going into the ports of another country. Setting aside "we should change that" is there any way to work around that restriction?

I get the sense that most of these "pirates" are floating about in a propeller driven bathtub for a boat. A lightly armed OV 10 (sorry, showing my age) to loiter above its parent ship would probably work wonders? Or even a few Predator drones. They're not on the ship, just covering the ship.

Seems to me there's a technological way to use the military and minimize our exposure while still allowing the ships to be themselves unarmed.

what2be
04-14-2009, 10:27 AM
Must be alot of brainless people in San Fran then:p

Nicki

Its like I always said....IF by some horrible chance someone launches a nuclear weapon and it hits us soil, I pray it happens in San Francisco so we minimize the true casualties.

GaffSD
04-14-2009, 3:36 PM
Nicki,

Ironically, I came from the San Fran area. It was lonely being the only kid in the "young conservatives" club. I ran away and Joined the Navy...

Cheers,

Ron

GartenZwerge
04-14-2009, 3:55 PM
.. I've been on most of the ships you have/ will read about. :boat:

Cato
04-14-2009, 4:21 PM
Amen, brother. While Kalifornia continues to be pinko rat hole, I'm encouraged that there are some true Americans out there showing some sack.

Zebra
04-14-2009, 4:25 PM
It is interesting that the US Navy's first job was to fight Muslim pirates off the Barbary Cost.
<snip>
Better: William Bainbridge was in command of the USS Philadelphia, when she ran aground on the Tunisian coast on 29 December 1803, he was imprisoned until 3 June 1806.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bainbridge

Frank