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xxx357
04-11-2009, 11:21 PM
SA socom 16 question? I just bought one used from a member here on this board. Can some one who bought one new tell me if it is supposed to contain anything in the compartment under the butstock? a cleaning kit? Mine was empty when I got it.

Maddog5150
04-11-2009, 11:31 PM
they come empty from springfield. if you want to put a cleaning kit, buy one online.

Uxi
04-11-2009, 11:35 PM
What's reasonable pricing on a used SOCOM16 anyway? Not asking your specific price but I definitely would like one but curious how much these are depreciating used.

cryptkeeper
04-11-2009, 11:43 PM
Man, I'm seeing these things still sell for over $1500 used. They are pretty tough to come by right now. I'm looking for a new one and will probably be looking to purchase mid May but it's looking pretty bad. I've seen them go as high as $2200 new. I'm only paying a max of $1500 OTD.

Saigon1965
04-11-2009, 11:45 PM
They are not depreciating at all -

xxx357
04-12-2009, 12:03 AM
I just wanted to make sure it came empty and I wasnt sold a gun missing any parts.



they come empty from springfield. if you want to put a cleaning kit, buy one online.

dlefdal
04-12-2009, 3:19 AM
I bought mine brand new 3 years ago for 1700 and that was 10 percent over dealer price through a friend. Best money I ever spent :)

Richy
04-12-2009, 3:21 AM
I'm only paying a max of $1500 OTD.

You ain't getting one then.

Jonathan Doe
04-12-2009, 8:30 AM
I traded my regular grade M-1A for a SOCOM.

Crazed_SS
04-12-2009, 8:45 AM
What's reasonable pricing on a used SOCOM16 anyway? Not asking your specific price but I definitely would like one but curious how much these are depreciating used.

I got one from a member here for $1200 back in December or so. That was before everyone went insane though. What's funny is it was advertised in the for sale forum for months before I finnally jumped on it.

Funny how no one wanted it for months at $1200, and now you cant even find one for less than 1500.. if you can even find one.

1911su16b870
04-12-2009, 8:58 AM
FYI I purchased one of the very first issued SOCOMs in CA and it was $1800, so that would be at a buyer's premium, so mine has not appreciated, but I still will not part with it, it is a heck of a great longarm! :D

Ishoot
04-12-2009, 9:14 AM
I've always liked the the scout version better than the Socom. Although they're both great firearms and wish I can have both.:p

hawk81
04-12-2009, 11:01 AM
These guns are not depriciating. I have 2 of them and will not sell them.

Nullzero
04-12-2009, 12:11 PM
Best deals I have seen are $1700 on a used socom. New is almost impossible to find atm.

DANGERCLOSE
04-12-2009, 4:18 PM
i bought mine when they first came out and paid $1429 from gilberts guns back east. that was the best price that i could find for them at the time. dealers around here wanted to charge 1650+ for them.

slappomatt
04-12-2009, 4:41 PM
I've always liked the the scout version better than the Socom. Although they're both great firearms and wish I can have both.:p

agreed. the shorty break doesnt look right to me. I much prefer the scout. And I still say as great as these guns are they are overpriced.

Saigon1965
04-12-2009, 4:42 PM
The Scout is a better set up -

palakaboy
04-12-2009, 5:01 PM
The Scout is a better set up -

based on what?

calixt0
04-12-2009, 5:10 PM
ok if not a socom... how much are m14s in general

Maddog5150
04-12-2009, 5:13 PM
based on what?



I used to own one. I sold it and never regretted it. I wish I went with a scout. for one, its loud as hell. you will get perminent hearing damage from firing it once if you ever had to without ears on. second, I like shooting with irons. if you cant shoot with irons then why move up to optics. If you can shoot with irons then you can shoot with anything. Now im not the greatest shot with irons by far but i always enjoyed trying to do things a little bit harder. The socom and a HUUUUGE from blade and waaaaay open peep in the back. The huge front sight is a tritium. Granted I could of changed the sights but I shouldnt have to. Third, SA designed it as a "100 yard or closer battle rifle" WTF :confused: thats an oxymoron. I know the rifle is capable of farther but that statement was just retarded IMHO
I wish I went with the scout. slightly higher velocities, better irons and who needs a rifle that big for room clearing anyways? going through a structure I would rather have an M4, mini, keltec, siaga or an ak varient. all this just my opinion mind you and of course not fact.

Blademan21
04-12-2009, 5:15 PM
The owner of J-W Guns in Riverside told me he is getting 2 Scouts real soon. His Number is 951-682-3270. I already have a 16 so I'll pass.

Saigon1965
04-12-2009, 5:16 PM
The 16" barrel of the Socom made it compact but lost velocity - SA had to redo the gas system for the Socom - It is loud as heck with that muzzle brake - The 18" barrel of the Scout is much nicer - The Socom II with the rail weighs a ton - Noticed folks are taking them off and go lighter -

I have both and enjoy the Scout much more -

heycorey
04-12-2009, 5:23 PM
I've got a Socom II and a couple of Scouts. Scouts are a better choice.

And the Vltor rail on a Socom II has lots of nice sharp little edges to cut the crap out of your hands ...

hawk81
04-12-2009, 5:28 PM
The scout is a better choice.

dmckean44
04-12-2009, 5:38 PM
The 16" barrel really neuters the 308's ballistics. At that point you might as well be shooting a round that's light, less expensive and has less recoil. I wouldn't recommend a 16" Saiga 308 either.

palakaboy
04-12-2009, 6:59 PM
wow... so much hate on the socom in this forum!

ZombieKiller
04-12-2009, 7:01 PM
wow... so much hate on the socom in this forum!

Word....haters.;)

Guns R Tools
04-12-2009, 7:02 PM
So how much velocity/ME is lost from 20" to 18" to 16" system?

heycorey
04-12-2009, 7:10 PM
wow... so much hate on the socom in this forum!

I've still got mine ...

Saigon1965
04-12-2009, 7:29 PM
You asked for opinions and they're not what you want to hear - Thus hate - Why even have a discussion at all -

wow... so much hate on the socom in this forum!

dmckean44
04-12-2009, 8:29 PM
I suppose if you handload you could use faster powder to get more out of the 16" barrel. But you lose a lot of velocity shooting standard 7.62x51NATO ball due to the fact it takes 18" of barrel just to burn all the powder. For commercial .308 Win it's loaded hotter and you need a 21" barrel.

I guess you wouldn't even really have to handload. There's plenty of smaller operations that custom load a batch of ammo for you.

WINGEDSWORD
04-12-2009, 9:30 PM
I have all three sizes. I enjoy all 3. Although I don't have a Scout. Mine is a Bush rifle. Same as the Scout without that forward scope mount. Sure the Socom is loud, but if you're on the range, you should be wearing ear protection. If you're using the Socom, in reality for the purpose it was intended, there will be so much adreniline flowing, you won't notice the muzzle blast. Nonetheless,I keep a pair of earplugs right beside my bed!

palakaboy
04-12-2009, 11:37 PM
from what i've seen lately i've just seen personal opinions about the rifles. here's mine...

i dont mind it being loud, in an emergency- i want everyone in my neighborhood awake and aware that there's something wrong.

i dont mind the barrel length, i'm about 5'6 at 135lbs- i like my guns lightweight. i dont need to shoot 600yards away since i'm just plinking around with it. i can only shoot as far as my eyes can take me- and that's not far without my glasses.

ammo, from what i can tell isn't that much more than the ammo i used to buy for my AR.