Anyone watching 20/20 "If I Only Had a Gun"?

[Echidin]

Just wondering who is watching...

[Okota]

I'm tivo-ing it right now. Tonight's "date night" so I'm watching a Netflix with the gf. I'm going to be watching the 20/20 episode right after the movie.

Edit: From the teaser trailers I've seen I'm hoping the uninformed public will walk away with the knowledge that having a firearm is only part of the equation...you also need proper training and mindset.

[oddball]

Not me. I refuse.
Want to keep my blood pressure at a decent level for the weekend.

[calixt0]

just turned to it

[kojak001@att.net]

Same old anti-gun propaganda, save yourself the stress and watch something else

[fuegoslow]

My blood is already boiling at the twist Diane Sawyer is putting on Gun Ownership! :banghead:

[SirMikeAlot]

It is on right now. I missed some of it but looks pretty one-sided. <== to a certain degree. I will leave final judgment till the program is completed . . . but I can only hope it is based on fact vs. anti-gun b.s. :confused:

[ojisan]

The usual slant and bias already.
Rigged demonstration.
"Hours of regular training are needed."
"Only police have the needed training".
Who's the "macho" cop who says you loose all skills in a month?
:rolleyes:

[Echidin]

Same old anti-gun propaganda, save yourself the stress and watch something else

That was my initial thought, but decided to watch anyway just to see how inaccurate it gets.

[762cavalier]

I'm watching it but it just keeps getting freakin worse. Anti gun propaganda posed as informative journalism :mad:

Gee why am I not surprised.:rolleyes:

[ojisan]

"The teenagers picked up the guns in the drawer, not knowing if they were loaded or not!"
:eek:

Ummm...when you find a gun, don't you usually have to pick it up to check and see if it is loaded? For instance the example guns, a Glock and a revolver laying flat on its side? X-ray vision? Remote viewing?
:rolleyes:

[Tillers_Rule]

I saw one a while back where they had a guy demoing a Barret .50 Cal. He was shooting the thing on a bench, one handed while standing sideways or something stupid. The thing was moving all over the place. I'm thinking to myself, "Who the hell shoots guns like that?":confused:

[223Dude]

watched it for about a minute. had to change it cuz it started to annoy me....

[ProlificARProspect]

This is BS, they are instigating Obama to act against gun owners. This is a one way unbalanced investigating against Gun owners in America.

love how the went to Poohekee Florida, interviewng Felons and thugs, how many laws did they break in that segment?

[Mason McDuffie]

I couldnt watch it anymore. Total crap. What happened to journalism? Unbiased journalism?

[COILSPRING]

Oh man.

[SirMikeAlot]

watched it for about a minute. had to change it cuz it started to annoy me....

:mad: Freakin waste of time. Ridiculous. I wish I had the last hour back. :mad:

[Echidin]

What happened to journalism? Unbiased journalism?

It died and it seems our rights as gun owners are headed down the same path of extinction.

[ldivinag]

total BS hour...

i mean just total BS... i cant even begin to start....

arrgggggg.....

[eric90503]

This is just a perfect example of power of media, as with the Israeli/Palestinian media coverage. But not to throw this off topic.

Going head to head with pro-gunners is a tough battle. But with the power of media and propaganda, it is the smartest and best way they can win. I applaud them for their choice of tactics. But really hated the show for it is outright one-sided point of view. If the NRA needs a cameraman, PM me, I'll work Pro-Bono..

[ojisan]

I couldnt watch it anymore. Total crap. What happened to journalism? Unbiased journalism?

After watching this, and knowing the truth, how much credibility would you give to 20/20 and Diane Sawyer in the future?
I really don't watch these networks much anymore.
I learned long ago they speak on many topics with "forked tongue".
:chris:

[soopafly]

...and now we return you to our regularly scheduled program...now in progress
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=169810

[holyhandgrenade]

The best part was when they talked about "the gun show loophole" and how terrible it was in relation to the V tech shootings, then they go "Well, Cho went through a dealer, and had his background check..." but we need to close the loophole. :rolleyes:

[Caspian Sea Monster]

Yeah, one of many reasons I don't have cable anymore.

[badicedog]

Bunch of Propaganda garbage... they quoted something like 60,000 gun related deaths. Well how many of those were by felons or people who otherwise should not own guns. Gun show loophole.... yeah, what about that piece of garbage mother who rented a gun at the range and murdered her kid and committed suicide. Let's start screening all females before allowing them to procreate. Yeah, because we need more government regulation, since they are doing such a phenomenal job with the economy.... Bunch of crap for 'sheep'.:(

[Bruce]

Yeah, one of many reasons I don't have cable anymore.

ABC isn't a cable channel. It's regular broadcast TV.

[ldivinag]

those on facebook, set you status to say how much you hated the crap that abc just put out...

[MikeinnLA]

And how many million Americans just watched that ? I will bet that when gun control or the AWB comes up, someone will say "ABC did a study" and it will all become gospel. The writing's on the wall clearer than ever. Is Walmart still open?

Mike

[JTecalo]

I'd go.. shooting at some targets..
hunting for some rabbits..
all for sport and fun...

I'd protect my home and family
and I'd really be quite happy..
If I only had a gun.

[badicedog]

Well if they want 'Gun control'... let's start at the top by revoking all those CCWs that politicians, off duty LEOs, judges and of course Di Fi and Barbie Boxer all have. Lead by example I say... What say you all?

[Monte]

Was John Stossel even on it? I missed it, and don't have a DVR.

[Vanguard]

What a $#@$ing hatchet job!

Can you even believe this pile of bull#$@ that they're trying to pass off as journalism?!

Boycott ABC.....I'll never watch that pathetic station again. If you watch that station, you are supporting this kind of insanity. Don't do it.

[ldivinag]

Was John Stossel even on it? I missed it, and don't have a DVR.


nope... he wasnt in it at all...

[JTecalo]

Well if they want 'Gun control'... let's start at the top by revoking all those CCWs that politicians, off duty LEOs, judges and of course Di Fi and Barbie Boxer all have. Lead by example I say... What say you all?

Take away their police protection and bodyguards while you're at it.

make 'em live like the rest of us and see how long the miserable SnOB's can survive without rank and privilege.

I'm going to bed, I think I made that last rum & coke way too strong..

hasta la huevos a todos

[HCz]

What was that? Guns are not helping? Let's disarm NYPD!:rolleyes:

[bohoki]

Was John Stossel even on it? I missed it, and don't have a DVR.

nope he had to stay away because he asks the right questions

like is having a gun going give a person a better chance than one unarmed?

[doctor_vals]

Well if they want 'Gun control'... let's start at the top by revoking all those CCWs that politicians, off duty LEOs, judges and of course Di Fi and Barbie Boxer all have. Lead by example I say... What say you all?

"All people are equal"

And you know - all politicians are a little bit more equal than we are.

And of course - it was a sign sent to White House.

[One Shot, One Dropped]

I watched it. It was okay, but they kept slipping in segments in favor of much more regulation...

[Hot Brass]

Sad to say, I watched it.

[Caspian Sea Monster]

ABC isn't a cable channel. It's regular broadcast TV.

Poor choice of words on my part. I don't receive any form of broadcast television. My TV is plugged into a PlayStation (original) and a DVD player, and that's all. The main reason being that, as a starving college student, I can't justify the cost. I'd rather put the money towards ammo. :thumbsup:

On topic: am I the least bit surprised that a major media outlet did a segment on guns and biased it in opposition thereof? No. Am I upset about it? Well, a little, but seeing that it's been done a million times and done again, I find it hard to get really riled up about. Maybe five years ago I would have written an angry letter. Now I just kinda tune it out. :(

[A324]

I could feel the grip on my guns slipping away with every minute that passed as I sat in front of the tube and watched.

Sad, very sad...

[Trench Broom]

Fortunately, I missed the program! I caught the tail-end of one of the advertisements for the show earlier today where they said something like, "You wouldn't believe how easy it is for kids to get their hands on these guns". I knew that special was gonna be PC BS as soon as I heard that - gotta protect the children and ban those evil, evil guns!

[saki302]

My favorite is how they sent in trained professional INSTRUCTORS in the room as an assailant to shoot at the unsuspecting 'armed student'.

Since when is a nutjob shooter a trained professional, who knows EXACTLY who has the gun and whom to shoot at, while the 'victim' gets to be surprised?

In real life, the victim would be the one providing the surprise!

-Dave

[Plisk]

I was watching it. I started to get mad, then I saw that it wasn't entirely one sided. From what I saw, it wasn't so much showing that gun access is bad, more than gun access to idiots is bad. Like when they had the disabled guns with dummy rounds in the garage. One kid loaded and tried to shoot it! WTF? Then the other one looks down the barrel several times.... people like that are the ones who fail the Handgun Safety Test. The message I got (past all the misconceived information) is that we need more Handgun Safety type tests initiated. If it means one less idiot owning a gun, I would be happy to take a BS test every time I buy a weapon. It shocks me how stupid some people can be at guns. Like the infamous tub of ammo you find at the entrance of some gunshows marked "Rounds found in "unloaded" guns" and when you see rifle rounds in there.... it boggles the mind.

Back on topic of the show... I really want to take part of the simulated classroom shooting thing. It looks like fun and good training.

[ENG417]

I watched the simulated class room shooting. It would have been very easy to say the same exact thing without making it a biased show. It would have been a much better show if they took the same students and put them into a two or four day tactical class after the first run. Then run it again. They would have still made their point: you need training.

The major point was missed: if the shooter killed you when you had a gun, he would have killed you without a gun. (yes I know it isn't that simple). But at least you have a fighting chance if you are armed. And the shooter was hit so he couldn't walk into the next class room.

[Canute]

Yeah, that scenario looked like it would be fun to play. Did they tell them to stand up to confront the shooter?
They should have given a gun to one of the students and had him/her come in as the shooter instead of a pro.

[unamused]

Honestly, where do you find kids that dumb to do the "moving" test.

"you check down the barrel to see if theirs a bullet in there right? Its too dark, let me get my flashlight."

[pdq_wizzard]

Yeah, that scenario looked like it would be fun to play. Did they tell them to stand up to confront the shooter?
They should have given a gun to one of the students and had him/her come in as the shooter instead of a pro.

The problem I seen with the classroom scenario was the gunman came into the room shot the teacher, then went right for the person with the gun, (didn’t shoot at anyone else that I could see) so with that they get a BIG FAIL !!!!!!

If guns weren’t so Taboo in this day and age more people would understand gun safety, hell I was taught gun safety at around 5 years old.

They are doing it to themselves :TFH:

[PorkLover]

i liked the final stat.....60,000 people will die by guns in the next 10 years......okay, what about how many people will die from 2nd hand smoke in the next 10 years, (nothing against you smokers out there), and how about the number of people that will die in auto accidents in the next 10 years?......or alcoholism...........far more than the 60,000 people they predict will die by a gun............

[cactus]

I did like the video of the " trained profesional" police officer shooting himself in the foot. Totaly biased in that trained profesionals were attacking the person they knew were tagets. Also they cut that garage test short on the one kid who said he had taken a class and not to touch the gun. I guess they had to cancel it if gun safety training actualy works. Also did any one else noticed they said the NRA did not comment? Personaly I find that extremely hard to believe. Total garbage.

[A324]

So let me get this straight, I can visit a gun show in Virgina, buy any gun including AR's and walk out without ever showing any identification or filling out any documents?

Is it really that simple?

[Seesm]

My blood is already boiling at the twist Diane Sawyer is putting on Gun Ownership! :banghead:

This would all change after a car jacking or home invasion or worse to Diane Sawyer..

And she calls LEO and it takes some serious time for them to get there and the bad guys are LONG GONE....

[gobears1997]

I fell asleep halfway through. F-ing garbage.

[JMZ]

What a bunch of cr#p. The part about the eight year old kid who shot himself with an Uzi. What kind of idiot parent puts a full auto pistol in an eight year olds hands. I slept on the couch cause the wife and I got in a huge fight about having guns in the house. She has a genius IQ but she buys into that sh*t. Liberal garbage.

[Plisk]

So let me get this straight, I can visit a gun show in Virgina, buy any gun including AR's and walk out without ever showing any identification or filling out any documents?

Is it really that simple?

I doubt that's how it really happened in the show. They could have easily lied about that. They didn't show any evidence that he didn't have to show any ID.

[dieselpower]

So let me get this straight, I can visit a gun show in Virgina, buy any gun including AR's and walk out without ever showing any identification or filling out any documents?

Is it really that simple?

yes, it is that simple. it is called person to person transfer ptp. most states only require a ffl when buying a new firearm, after that you can sell it to anyone you like provided that owning a firearm is legal for that person.

there is nothing wrong with it either. 1000s of firearms are given away or sold every year. on my 16th birthday i was given my first shoty by my mom. on my 21st she gave my my first 1911, my dads war pistol. which was given to her by his buddy and commander at his funeral.

ptp is not the problem in this country. a criminal will still get a firearm without ptp law. why would they not?

[Greg-Dawg®]

I doubt that's how it really happened in the show. They could have easily lied about that. They didn't show any evidence that he didn't have to show any ID.

Or why the first gun he purchased had a bright oranged unloaded indicator tag...before entering the doors? Aren't those usually distributed and installed inside the gun show?

[Plisk]

Or why the first gun he purchased had a bright oranged unloaded indicator tag...before entering the doors? Aren't those usually distributed and installed inside the gun show?

Could have been from a person leaving the show.

[A324]

yes, it is that simple. it is called person to person transfer ptp. most states only require a ffl when buying a new firearm, after that you can sell it to anyone you like provided that owning a firearm is legal for that person.


I can remember in California when I sold my new store-bought Ruger Security Six to a buddy in 1973, I needed money for schoolbooks. No paperwork was required for transfer and I don't even think there was a minimum age requirement or if there was nobody cared.

I did stop by the local cop shop and gave them the buyers name and the guns serial -just- in case my dope-smoking buddy decided to take up a career in crime and the cops come looking for me.

[Shawn L]

I recorded it to watch later, but with all the outrage here I deleted it.

[gdr_11]

I never watch network news because it is not news at all; it is simply liberal propoganda. Makes no difference if the subject is homosexuality, fundamental Christianity, Republican/Democratic differences, or guns....sk yourself what the liberal press wants to sell and....voila! there it is on the Nightly News, Dateline, or 20-20. I no longer read newspapers for the same reason. Sadly, many people believe everything the read or see. That is why Obama is President.

[seth12]

I never watch network news because it is not news at all; it is simply liberal propoganda. Makes no difference if the subject is homosexuality, fundamental Christianity, Republican/Democratic differences, or guns....sk yourself what the liberal press wants to sell and....voila! there it is on the Nightly News, Dateline, or 20-20. I no longer read newspapers for the same reason. Sadly, many people believe everything the read or see. That is why Obama is President.

so true.

i watched it, and all it made me think is how bad i want to go to an out of state gun show with cash :thumbsup:

[Rudolf the Red]

Just finished it. Notice how in those classroom "situations", the shooter comes in, shoots the professor, and then concentrates on the student holding the concealed weapon because they already know who has it, where they are sitting, and that they do not expect to be shot at. Every time, in a room full of running people, the shooter just keeps shooting at a single individual. They call that an "experiment"? The outcome is forced each time.

[Rudolf the Red]

Like when they had the disabled guns with dummy rounds in the garage. One kid loaded and tried to shoot it! WTF?

That shocked the hell out of me. Probably the most unsafe thing I had ever seen. I've read of worse, but I saw that one.

[DPC]

I just was commenting on the fact that it was a highly trianed firearms instructor against novices with little or no experience. All the while failing to mention when the simulated rescue that will never come might occur. Any one else touch on that? Not LEO bashing but officers can barely protect themselves how can they protect you or anyone else? I run occassionally at night and have been shot at witnessed shootings and a firearm stuck in my face more than once and never has there been any LEO on the scene to save me or give chase to the suspect. Also isn't giving a firearm to a toddler CHILD ENDANGERMENT!@!!

DPC

[Xerxes]

I think someone should call Diane and let her know that violence is caused by TV, video games, news stories of violence that promotes more violence, violent TV shows and movies, and the like.

I vote for government censorship.

Screw the second ammendment, it is the cause of all this violence as these folks don't come up with ideas like killing and raping on their own but by what they see on TV.

I vote for registering all TV shows, especially news shows, with the government department of human decency.

I also think that Diane should be the first to be banned with the over ten lies in one TV news episode, not to be confused with the CA ban on over 10 round magazines.

[dfens]

I just saw it, man was that show so scripted and rigged.

Made it look like CCW is useless and asking for to targeted.

Nice to know the media, still likes michael moore the facts to brainwash you.

[rg_1111@yahoo.com]

The kid in the white T shirt was no trained professional & never had much or any training. I wouldn't TRUST him with a water pistol.
He would of shot himself getting pistol out of his T shirt.
We will see a lot more of this. Remember people wanted Change!
Just makes me sick.

[saki302]

Up until 1991, we could to FTF no paperwork transfers RIGHT HERE! THe great western show was F'n GLORIOUS back then!!!

I'm just old enough to remember it- I'd rather be one of the younger guys who doesn't know how good it all WAS :(

-Dave

[pdq_wizzard]

Question, did anyone els think the T-shirts they had the students wear were a little long?


by a foot????

[unamused]

Question, did anyone els think the T-shirts they had the students wear were a little long?


by a foot????

Your'e just out of touch with the current styles and trends. I mean as a college student, all I see people wearing, guys and girls included, are super long white tees that don't even come close to fitting properly. :rolleyes:

That "experiment" was so biased it wasnt even funny. Sadly, I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who watched it will take it as exact reality. The other 5% are people like us who actually think logically.

[highpowermatch]

Anyone who has had defensive training would have been instructed not conceal the weapon under a long tight shirt like that. part of defensive training covers how to conceal while being able to access you're weapon in a stressful environment. Also, in all the possible scenarios where one could use a gun in self defense that is the least likely. If this was journalism they would have gave numbers of folks who actually thwarted crime with a gun. but we all know there is no such thing as true unbiased journalism any more.

[trinydex]

why can't the nra or other progun orgs air progun material right now?

[trinydex]

i hate how these shows are schizophrenic

police officers aren't even trained enough... (glock fortay dea dude)

an untrained kid in a classroom doesn't stand a chance (but had a chance marginally larger than all the others in the class?), and faired better than the glock fortay dea dude because none of them shot themselves...

btw, trained professionals make really great mass shooters....??? is that what we're to take away?

is the point to say... there's no way to protect yourself when you encounter a gun in opposition to you, so we must then take away your ability to own a gun, it does you no good, anyways, so, you shouldn't have one, at all, and, that is all.