Is it legal to buy/sell high cap XD mags(parts kits)?

[Ryan in SD]

Is it legal to buy/sell high cap XD mag PARTS KITS?

[Plisk]

Wrong forum...

[nonosrcng]

Likw the guy before said wrong forum but from what was explained to me at a crossroads show from a guy who was selling parts for hi cap glocks. It is legal to sell repair parts but not the whole mag. So the loop hole was, if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS THE TRUTH. just letting you know what I know

[Oldnoob]

Likw the guy before said wrong forum but from what was explained to me at a crossroads show from a guy who was selling parts for hi cap glocks. It is legal to sell repair parts but not the whole mag. So the loop hole was, if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS THE TRUTH. just letting you know what I know

Actually, you can buy the whole mag, it just have to be apart. That's what we call a "rebuild kit".


PS, wrong forum.

[cwa14509]

Likw the guy before said wrong forum but from what was explained to me at a crossroads show from a guy who was selling parts for hi cap glocks. It is legal to sell repair parts but not the whole mag. So the loop hole was, if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS THE TRUTH. just letting you know what I know

...Not quite. Repair kits are only to be used to repair existing hicaps you had before the ban, or in the case of some rifles, to make a 10/20, 10/30, etc. Since the xd wasn't brought here until 2002 (Or 2000 if you want to be picky) you would have a tough time showing that you had the mags before the ban. The "I found a box of 'em in the trash" routine isn't cool.

[Oldnoob]

...Not quite. Repair kits are only to be used to repair existing hicaps you had before the ban, or in the case of some rifles, to make a 10/20, 10/30, etc. Since the xd wasn't brought here until 2002 you would have a tough time showing that you had the mags before the ban. The "I found a box of 'em in the trash" routine isn't cool.

That's right, I forget to mention: keep the import date in mine. :thumbsup:

[dachan]

Not legal to buy/sell/trade/give/import/etc magazines of greater than 10rnds in/into CA unless you are a privileged party (DOJ issued hi-cap permit, LEO, etc).

Legal to buy/sell/trade/give/import/etc parts and rebuild kits for hi-cap magazines. Parts can only be used to repair or replace similar magazines personally owned before Jan 1, 2000, or for the construction of permanently modified magazines with a capacity of 10rnds or less.

Legal to own hi-cap magazines which you personally owned before Jan 1, 2000 or replacements of similar magazines personally owned before Jan 1, 2000. However, the (9mm) XD, first imported as the HS2000, finished development in 1999 and the first samples entered the country December 1999, imported by HSAmerica. They became commercially available mid-2000. If you currently possess a hi-cap XD mag in CA you will have to argue you visited Croatia in 1999 and brought back a magazine or you were given a sample gun in Dec 1999; otherwise you have broken the law somewhere down the line.

[GP3]

It's perfectly legal to purchase high cap 'rebuild kits'.

It is legal to sell repair parts but not the whole mag. So the loop hole was, if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal.

If you put together a 'rebuild kit', you will be illegally manufacturing a high cap mag. A no-no.

[KAVEMAN762]

Likw the guy before said wrong forum but from what was explained to me at a crossroads show from a guy who was selling parts for hi cap glocks. It is legal to sell repair parts but not the whole mag. So the loop hole was, if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS THE TRUTH. just letting you know what I know

The word in bold and italics; That is the wrong word to describe anything in/on calguns forums. If you never had pre-ban mags, and obtained them this way, it is a loop hole. Buying rebuild kits to fix your worn out or broken pre-ban mags IS NOT a loop hole. Just to let you know, that word offends some people.....:43:

[sorensen440]

yes

[ZombieKiller]

if you can buy all the parts seperately to build one its legal. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD AS THE TRUTH. just letting you know what I know

:eek:

[GP3]

Not legal to buy/sell/trade/give/import/etc magazines of greater than 10rnds in/into CA unless you are a privileged party (DOJ issued hi-cap permit, LEO, etc).

Legal to buy/sell/trade/give/import/etc parts and rebuild kits for hi-cap magazines. Parts can only be used to repair or replace similar magazines personally owned before Jan 1, 2000, or for the construction of permanently modified magazines with a capacity of 10rnds or less.

Legal to own hi-cap magazines which you personally owned before Jan 1, 2000 or replacements of similar magazines personally owned before Jan 1, 2000. However, the (9mm) XD, first imported as the HS2000, finished development in 1999 and the first samples entered the country December 1999, imported by HSAmerica. They became commercially available mid-2000. If you currently possess a hi-cap XD mag in CA you will have to argue you visited Croatia in 1999 and brought back a magazine or you were given a sample gun in Dec 1999; otherwise you have broken the law somewhere down the line.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong:

The above applies to Pmags right? (If)They were designed AFTER 2000 therefore we should see ZERO assembled 30rd Pmags in California. Correct? I guess the real question is WHEN were Pmags first introduced to the market? Before or after 2000?

[ohsmily]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong:

The above applies to Pmags right? (If)They were designed AFTER 2000 therefore we should see ZERO assembled 30rd Pmags in California. Correct? I guess the real question is WHEN were Pmags first introduced to the market? Before or after 2000?

That is incorrect. I have several 30 round PMags. They started as standard aluminum USGI mags that I owned prior to the ban (I have a box full of them). I then rebuilt them into PMags. First, I used Pmag parts to replace some of the parts on my aluminum mags. I initially used the magazine spring from my old mag in my Pmag rebuild. Later, I decided I wanted to use the Pmag spring and took the old spring out and put the Pmag one in. I did this with several magazines.

[GP3]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Stormfeather]

Pmags was just in the last few years. There should be ZERO 30rd Pmags in California.

[slowjonn]

Pmags was just in the last few years. There should be ZERO 30rd Pmags in California.

False. There are several ways that legal 30 rd PMags could and have arrived in this state.

[Stormfeather]

That is incorrect. I have several 30 round PMags. They started as standard aluminum USGI mags that I owned prior to the ban (I have a box full of them). I then rebuilt them into PMags. First, I used Pmag parts to replace some of the parts on my aluminum mags. I initially used the magazine spring from my old mag in my Pmag rebuild. Later, I decided I wanted to use the Pmag spring and took the old spring out and put the Pmag one in. I did this with several magazines.

So, you have a mag, that is 100% Pmag, and you are saying that this is legal? Then what is the rebuild kit for? By not having any of the original parts in it, its just a PMAG, its not a rebuild. Weve beaten this dead horse time and time again, and I was under the impression that it has to retain at least one part from the original mag. If you just move parts around to where they are back in their original configuration, thats nothing more than disassembling and then re-assembling a illegal 30 rd mag. No matter how you cut it.

[Stormfeather]

False. There are several ways that legal 30 rd PMags could and have arrived in this state.

By all means, enlighten us. By your statement, we are just supposed to take your word on it? "But officer. . . Slowjonn on calguns says it was ok. . . ." doesnt work for me.

[ohsmily]

That is incorrect. I have several 30 round PMags. They started as standard aluminum USGI mags that I owned prior to the ban (I have a box full of them). I then rebuilt them into PMags. First, I used Pmag parts to replace some of the parts on my aluminum mags. I initially used the magazine spring from my old mag in my Pmag rebuild. Later, I decided I wanted to use the Pmag spring and took the old spring out and put the Pmag one in. I did this with several magazines.
So, you have a mag, that is 100% Pmag, and you are saying that this is legal? Then what is the rebuild kit for? By not having any of the original parts in it, its just a PMAG, its not a rebuild. Weve beaten this dead horse time and time again, and I was under the impression that it has to retain at least one part from the original mag. If you just move parts around to where they are back in their original configuration, thats nothing more than disassembling and then re-assembling a illegal 30 rd mag. No matter how you cut it.


Read carefully what I wrote.

First, there is no requirement that a rebuild retain original parts. You can replace all the parts of a magazine. Read the DOJs letter about magazine rebuilds.

Second, I did REBUILD my USGI high cap with PMAG parts. Here was the procedure:
1) I started with 1 USGI high cap.
2) I then replaced the body, the follower, and the floorplate with PMAG parts. I initially retained the spring from my old USGI magazine. SO, it was original spring, w/ Pmag body, follower, and floorplate.
3) LATER, I chose to replace the old spring with the spring that came from Magpul. Now, all the parts are Magpul parts.

The rebuild was done 100% legally and I would argue went above and beyond what is required by law (because there is no legal requirement to retain parts on the magazine during the rebuild).

[sonicbuff]

False. There are several ways that legal 30 rd PMags could and have arrived in this state.

The 30-rd pmag can hold only 10 rounds of .50 beowulf, which is right within the context of law. If you own a .50 beowulf, you can have the 10-rd beowulf mags. Other than that, we might need someone with the expertise to explain the grey area.

[Jaiofspam]

hehe, read my sig line... i believe the quote applies :)

[ohsmily]

hehe, read my sig line... i believe the quote applies :)

That is true.

This thread is still in the wrong forum.

[slowjonn]

By all means, enlighten us. By your statement, we are just supposed to take your word on it? "But officer. . . Slowjonn on calguns says it was ok. . . ." doesnt work for me.

Well, first any LEO can import and use 30 round PMags. They can be used in a manner such as ohsmily has indicated. A dealer with a Hi-cap mag permit could legally import them into the state.

I never said you should take my word for it. I never said I was the final say or authority on the subject. I simply was stating that your statement that there SHOULD BE ZERO 30 ROUND PMags in California is a false statement. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but you are wrong sir.

[bootcamp]

Gawd, this type of stuff shouldn't even be discussed.

[JamesY]

The DOJ letter regarding rebuilding legally owned high cap mags is pretty straight forward to me.

[Ryan in SD]

Gawd, this type of stuff shouldn't even be discussed.


Aint that the point of this forum :confused:

If we didn't have stupid laws these things wouldnt have to be discussed...

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As far as the XD mags go. I always figured the parts by themselves don't represent a legality breach since in fact they are just parts. IE. A spring here, a base plate there, etc etc...

Maybe its legal for me to sell these parts but illegal for someone to put them together as they are. Maybe they can be modified and legally put together if they only accept 10 rnds.

Can someone shed some light on that?

[sorensen440]

Parts are just parts
Just don't assemble them in state as that would be manufacturing

[sonicbuff]

Parts are just parts
Just don't assemble them in state as that would be manufacturing

I believe that we can build parts into new mags, as long as the mags can only hold 10 rounds, pertaining to the restriction.

Please correct me if I misunderstood.

[sorensen440]

I believe that we can build parts into new mags, as long as the mags can only hold 10 rounds, pertaining to the restriction.

Please correct me if I misunderstood.
Parts are parts and you are allowed to build your own 10 rnd or less mags

But if you do so you had better make darn sure you cant force a 11th round in the magazine

[Ryan in SD]

Ok, thats good news to hear.