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captn-tin
04-09-2009, 7:59 AM
why is it nobodys asking where these "pirates" are getting their weapons? looks like they may well be as well armed as the drug cartels . COULD IT BE ? could these weapons of war have come from gun shops in our border states?
shouldn't diane,barbara,nancy,holdner and the rest of that fine bunch be investigating this. just wait till they study the film clips real close, and notice that one of these pirates actually flipped a cigarette butt in the ocean. NOW THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!

Whiskey_Sauer
04-09-2009, 8:02 AM
I'm sure the pirates exploited the gun show loophole to acquire their weapons.

captn-tin
04-09-2009, 8:06 AM
d plank, d plank, GET THE DAMN PLANK!!!

Peragro
04-09-2009, 8:12 AM
last time this kind of thing happened Jefferson nipped it in the bud with some Marines...

Gator Monroe
04-09-2009, 8:13 AM
aRMED PIRATES ,AND BLACK ONES TOO ? not like the movies ??:confused:

Vacaville
04-09-2009, 8:22 AM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2241/610xpv4.jpghttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/africa/12/13/india.pirates/art.pirates.guns.cnn.jpg

Yep, Looks like typical California stuff to me.

Untamed1972
04-09-2009, 8:29 AM
It's hard to really call them pirates because I don't think they really want the cargo......they're just taking hostages for the ransom money they keep getting. So they are more kidnappers then they are pirates.

Untamed1972
04-09-2009, 8:31 AM
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2241/610xpv4.jpghttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/africa/12/13/india.pirates/art.pirates.guns.cnn.jpg

Yep, Looks like typical California stuff to me.

Yeah....I think I saw the RPG on the end at the last gunshow! :thumbsup:

SVT_Fox
04-09-2009, 8:33 AM
lets start a backwater type crew that goes on shipping voyages to protect the boats, Im unemployed and have been for months, Im down as hell

Untamed1972
04-09-2009, 8:33 AM
I think the best approach would be to give them their ransom money, and then when they leave the ship on their little skiff......blow them out of the water with a predator drone from a couple miles away.

Hmmm.....guess they "went down at sea"!

nick
04-09-2009, 8:37 AM
That RPG has a BB on it.

VW*Mike
04-09-2009, 8:44 AM
I guess there is a silly international law against these vessels having guns? An unarmed group at the mercy of a few armed people? Hey, wait................ isn't that what we are afraid of happening in this country?

I say these merchant ships, much like 400 years ago, should be allowed to fire upon their aggressors

Vanguard
04-09-2009, 9:18 AM
I thought AKs and RPGs were issued at birth to people in third world countries.

Gator Monroe
04-09-2009, 9:20 AM
I thought AKs and RPGs were issued at birth to people in third world countries.

cRATED IN COSMOLENE UNTIL YOUR 11TH BIRTHDAY ../

Vanguard
04-09-2009, 9:29 AM
The solution to this is simple. Patrol the area with a couple of destroyers or frigates, or the new LCS Freedom class ships. Stop any boat in the area and search it. If you find a bunch of weapons and no fishing gear, arrest them. If they resist, sink them. The Navy has plenty of ships that they could allocate for this purpose. It would be good training too. After a couple of months, the word would get around and the attacks would taper off.

That 57mm on the LCS is freaking nasty. 220 rds a minute, insanely accurate, proximity fragmentation fuses. Firing that thing at the typical pirate vessel would be like dropping them into a blender. Just brutal. I'd feel bad for them in that situation if they weren't such roaches.

gaucho750
04-09-2009, 9:39 AM
lets start a backwater type crew that goes on shipping voyages to protect the boats, Im unemployed and have been for months, Im down as hell

sounds good to me, count me in!!

Decoligny
04-09-2009, 9:48 AM
lets start a backwater type crew that goes on shipping voyages to protect the boats, Im unemployed and have been for months, Im down as hell

The problem is that the Somalia coast is almost as long as the entire eastern seaboard of the United States. It would take more boats and guns than the U.S. Navy has in its entire inventory to effectively patrol the entire area.

The Wingnut
04-09-2009, 9:59 AM
Part of the problem is that many ship crews don't see the pirates 'til they're on board. They'll get towed out to sea by a larger vessel and sneak up on a large, slow-moving ship. They'll use grapples and ladders to board, and usually aren't seen by the crew until the weapons are in the crew's faces.

If you've ever been on board even a moderately large oceangoing vessel, you'll know just what a difficult matter it would be to remain constantly vigilant against approaching small craft and boarders, assuming you'd spot them at all. A lot of these large ships have minimal crew to keep them running, meaning most of them are inside and below decks. Running a patrol above deck to keep watch for boarders would be a daunting task. You'd need a dedicated security team working in shifts that's quite possibly larger than the crew itself.

USN ships have a Marine detachment for good reason.

CAL.BAR
04-09-2009, 10:09 AM
That RPG has a BB on it.

Yep and you can only have 10 rounds in your backpack.

captn-tin
04-09-2009, 10:11 AM
wouldn't the u n small arms bill take care of this pirate problem? we have to do this FOR THE CHILDREN, dontchano? WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY PIRATES WILL HAVE GUNS!!!!! (and fiendstein, schumer, and a host of other reps)

leitung
04-09-2009, 11:21 AM
lets start a backwater type crew that goes on shipping voyages to protect the boats, Im unemployed and have been for months, Im down as hell
+1 with our 10/20 aks and Bullet buttons and raddlocks.. "Hold on! I got to change mags with my tool..
LOL!

nicki
04-09-2009, 12:40 PM
What you do is send out decoy ships, kinda like trojan horses full of people with one mission.

Pirates enter a ship, but the ship is rigged to be a trap. Have special crew with suppressed weapons.

How big are these pirate crews? Kill the pirates, throw them overboard with weights. See now pirate, hear no pirate, sharks have bodies for lunch.

Do a alot runs covertly, no more pirate problems.

Nicki

bigstick61
04-09-2009, 3:58 PM
I'm actually doing a class project regarding a maritime business plan, and my group decided to go with an armed escort service for ships in pirate-infested waters. One thing we haven't resolved is armement. DEWAT Bofors 40mm guns can be bought from Europe and imported, and they have alot of surplus available right now including fire control equipment and everything. One thing we could not figure out was if reactivating them (which is legal) could include having them full auto instead of semi-auto; would they be considered just destructive devices, or machineguns as well (which would preclude their registration as full-auto weapons). Ammo would be an issue, too, but it could probably be resolved, although it would not be cheap. Another issue would be California, and if they would allow a company like this to have DD permits to have these weapons for thee purposes, same with machinegun permits and such.

If ships or companies were to hire us, it would be fairly profitable. Blackwater started doing this, but I do not know how successful they have been lately.

Mulay El Raisuli
04-10-2009, 9:03 AM
Part of the problem, according to what I saw on the news last night, is that unarmed ships have "The Right of Innocent Passage" & armed ships do not. That is, an unarmed ship can travel though territorial waters much easier than an armed one. That may be true (sounds like it is) but not being 'up' on the UNCLOS I don't know how "real" a problem that is.

The biggest problem, IMHO, is the extreme wussiness of the various navies involved. I read a report where one of the naval ship caught a skiff actively trying to board a cargo ship & they were able to "drive off" the pirates. Who then returned to shore.

Excuse me???? Once hostile intent was shown (by the skiff trying to board the cargo ship) why wasn't the pirate skiff blown the hell out of the water?

The Raisuli

bigstick61
04-10-2009, 12:20 PM
UNCLOS only applies to signatories. Having arms does not remove the right of innocent passage where this applies; otherwise warships would not be able to exercise it (and it was a point of contention in the recent incident with China). For American ships, except where otherwise prohibited or restricted for safety reasons (like on tankers, LNG ships, etc.), guns and other lethal weapons are not prohibited, but they are prohibited to ships in territorial or internal waters other than those jast passing through in most countries, which severely restricts what ports the ships may go to. The only way to resolve this is really by treaty.

And I agree about the way the navies are acting. The Bainbridge won't even get closer than 700 yards from the lifeboat in this case, because ti is afraid it may receive small arms fire. Sailors in navies, no matter how you cut it (and I'm sure some will try to argue to the contrary), are fighting men, and as such, their job is to kill and be effective in that role, as applies to their jobs, and also in a certain general sense. American sailors, merchant and naval, have also been known for their tenacity and such. I have no idea what happened.

Peragro
04-10-2009, 6:06 PM
Do you all really think that it's the sailors and crews of the Navy ships that are being wusses; or rather the people that give orders to the folks onboard those ships who are no doubt several thousands of miles away and receive their orders from somewhere in the middle of the District of Columbia.

Mulay El Raisuli
04-11-2009, 5:57 AM
Do you all really think that it's the sailors and crews of the Navy ships that are being wusses; or rather the people that give orders to the folks onboard those ships who are no doubt several thousands of miles away and receive their orders from somewhere in the middle of the District of Columbia.


Yes, when it comes to wussiness, you're more likely to find it in DC than on the decks of a US warship.

The Raisuli

SVT_Fox
04-11-2009, 7:22 AM
we all know we all have boxes of hi cap rebuild kits, plus i have a monster grip so I dont have that mag lock CRAP!

SimpleCountryActuary
04-11-2009, 7:47 PM
Do you all really think that it's the sailors and crews of the Navy ships that are being wusses; or rather the people that give orders to the folks onboard those ships who are no doubt several thousands of miles away and receive their orders from somewhere in the middle of the District of Columbia.

Correct. That's exactly what happened during the Clinton years. The liberal whiny lawyers in D.C. would sit on a decision until there was no decision to be made. These "pirates" are really kidnappers. They want ransom. they are not suicide bombers. If a destroyer started bearing down on them at ramming speed they would:

Multiple choice:
(a) Soil their pants (no available ammo can);
(b) Surrender;
(c) Jump out of the boat;
(d) All of the above.

Note that killing the captive is not on the list.

yellowfin
04-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see what the problem is with a shoot, shovel, and shut up policy with pirates. No need to report anything, just sight, shoot, sink, and nobody needs to know. They're not flying a nation's flag so it's something political to sort out. DC doesn't need to know anything. Ammo missing? Giant squids had to be fended off.

turinreza
04-11-2009, 11:45 PM
Just rename one our subs the "Flying Dutchman" and have it
randomly sink fishing boats off the somalai coast...

fairfaxjim
04-12-2009, 9:12 AM
Effective patrol along a third world coast is nearly impossible. The amount of IBGB (Itty Bitty God**mned Boats) is phenominal. 99%+ of them are just poor *** fishermen trying to survive. The pirate boats are under the command and control of tribal chiefs in Somalia - pretty much the closest thing to a functioning government they have. The money they make in this low budget endeavor is HUGE. The labor supply is nearly unlimited. The risks are low. Waging war on all the little boats out there is not an option. I'm sure that the ships that husband the small pirate boats are well aware of their position and legal status at all times, and do not venture into waters where they might be vulnerable to attack.

Moving merchant ships around the world is an extremely complicated legal and economic business. Ship owners will do whatever it takes to keep the ships moving - a stopped ship is costing big bucks, a moving ship is making money. The shipping companies have taken a crew safety/economic view that it is far better to pay the ransom than to risk losing crew or damaging or losing the vessel. They also want to get it and it's cargo moving again. It becomes simply an added cost of doing business.

As for hiring armed escorts and "blowing away pirates", shipping companys will have none of that. You are essentially always either in international waters, or in someone elses territorial waters. Your conduct there has potentially large political ramifications. They are not in business to make a statement, only to make a profit. As long as they make a profit, even with paying off pirates, you won't see much action on this front. I seriously doubt that the Obama white house will want to make a world issue out of it. I haven't heard much from them so far on this one.

Hoop
04-12-2009, 9:36 AM
The shipping companies have taken a crew safety/economic view that it is far better to pay the ransom than to risk losing crew or damaging or losing the vessel. They also want to get it and it's cargo moving again. It becomes simply an added cost of doing business.


Not to mention that it's probably cheaper to just pay a ransom every now and then vs. putting trained guards on board the ships. That's the way companies function nowadays.

U2BassAce
04-12-2009, 11:16 AM
Looks like the captain was freed! 3 of 4 pirates killed. Wanna bet a crew of SEALs took them out?:chris:

gravedigger
04-12-2009, 11:22 AM
The ships need to line the edges of their vessels with a giant bug zapper. When the TERRORISTS (Lets PLEASE drop the more romantic and Obama-friendly "pirate" designation of these godless sub-human diseased uneducated filthy mutated cockroaches) try to climb aboard, they'll get caught between two layers of expanded metal and the ship's crew can break out into a chorus of "You Light Up My Life."

I cannot believe that a few PUNKS held off a Navy destroyer for FIVE DAYS. The Navy ship should have gone at the lifeboat straight on, bumping up against it's side with the bow of the navy ship as if it were so much seaweed in the way. The captain could have jumped off, a few navy sharpshooters could have picked off the roaches and the whole thing would have been over in a heartbeat.

Are there any MEN left in Washington?

Bruce3
04-12-2009, 11:25 AM
don't you know they get their guns from the Mexico border states and buy them using the Gunshow loophole? come on!

AJAX22
04-12-2009, 11:40 AM
I'm actually doing a class project regarding a maritime business plan, and my group decided to go with an armed escort service for ships in pirate-infested waters. One thing we haven't resolved is armement. DEWAT Bofors 40mm guns can be bought from Europe and imported, and they have alot of surplus available right now including fire control equipment and everything. One thing we could not figure out was if reactivating them (which is legal) could include having them full auto instead of semi-auto; would they be considered just destructive devices, or machineguns as well (which would preclude their registration as full-auto weapons). Ammo would be an issue, too, but it could probably be resolved, although it would not be cheap. Another issue would be California, and if they would allow a company like this to have DD permits to have these weapons for thee purposes, same with machinegun permits and such.

If ships or companies were to hire us, it would be fairly profitable. Blackwater started doing this, but I do not know how successful they have been lately.

The only laws you have to follow as a navel vessel are the ones of the country under which you are flagged...

Forget reactivated surplus junk.... if you're in this for real you can get whatever you would like inexpensively on the open market.

That being said.... you really wouldn't need more than a couple of MA Deuce's and some personal armaments.....

and semiauto would probably work well enough.