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dkoski
04-07-2009, 10:06 PM
At this stage in the game, what do we know and what do we think we know regarding NRFs:

1. Can you buy a single-shot Uzi/DC9/etc. without violating a CA law?

2. Can you place the requisite parts to convert a single-shot pistol of the above types on the weapons such that it would subsequently operate as a semi-automatic firearm without running afoul of the CA DOJ, et al?

Practically speaking, what do the 58 DAs know about this situation, and what are the implications for those of us who might be interested in owning one of them?

JeffM
04-07-2009, 10:15 PM
At this stage in the game, what do we know and what do we think we know regarding NRFs:

It will come after the OAL ruling.


1. Can you buy a single-shot Uzi/DC9/etc. without violating a CA law?


Yes.

2. Can you place the requisite parts to convert a single-shot pistol of the above types on the weapons such that it would subsequently operate as a semi-automatic firearm without running afoul of the CA DOJ, et al?


Yes.

Practically speaking, what do the 58 DAs know about this situation, and what are the implications for those of us who might be interested in owning one of them?

Not sure, I bet some don't care and others have to get their names in the paper somehow. Being a gun owner in CA is risky business, but it's worth it.

dkoski
04-07-2009, 10:28 PM
What is the "OAL" ruling?

Do we not have proof of the legality of such items at this time?

Are those buying them playing with fire, or is this just an analgous situation to the "OLL" connundrum of a few years ago, where it's just a recalcitrant LE society that is behind the times unaware that these too are legal firearms?

JeffM
04-07-2009, 10:30 PM
What is the "OAL" ruling?

Do we not have proof of the legality of such items at this time?

Are those buying them playing with fire, or is this just an analgous situation to the "OLL" connundrum of a few years ago, where it's just a recalcitrant LE society that is behind the times unaware that these too are legal firearms?

Use the search button.

bwiese
04-07-2009, 10:50 PM
1. Can you buy a single-shot Uzi/DC9/etc. without violating a CA law?


Yes. The receiver should not be 'listed'. And single-shot means single-shot - for s/s ARs we use mag sleds that don't allow any round in the gun except for the one in the chamber. Other guns would need similar mods.
The single-shot device or magwell blocking device needs to be locked in with a locking device like a Bullet Button.

Remember that you must have min 6" bbl length and min 10.5" overall length when measured parallel to the bore to be 12133PC-exempt.

Until otherwise notified I think these should be observed:

1. if the gun is being imported into CA, single-shot status should
be rendered before the gun crosses into CA.

2. if the gun is in CA and is going thru CA FFL as a non-PPT, the gun should be rendered single-shot before the CA FFL takes it in book.

2. Can you place the requisite parts to convert a single-shot pistol of the above types on the weapons such that it would subsequently operate as a semi-automatic firearm without running afoul of the CA DOJ, et al?

There is no law banning reconfiguration of pistols - centerfire to/from rimfire, single-shot to/from multifeed, caliber changes, or barrel lenghts
Only specific evil combinations need to be avoided - assault weapons status, SBR, etc.

Think about your path to modification before you order and/or do it.
There perchance may be some particular aspect to a particular gun's "architecture" that may preclude exiting single-shot status to a non-AW status.



Practically speaking, what do the 58 DAs know about this situation, and what are the implications for those of us who might be interested in owning one of them?

Most DAs know little about guns and only a tad about gun laws.
Most cops know little about guns and gun laws.
Your best defense is being right, having verbal agility, knowing the laws, and not driving in a lowered Honda with cracked windshield.