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Matt C
03-27-2009, 4:38 PM
How many of you guys got one? Are they still issuing them? Is it a "Overseas Contingency Operation" medal now?

It just occurred to me the the other day since that medal and my traumatic brain injury are the only evidence I have of being over there (nothing in my DD214, no orders).

wcnones
03-27-2009, 4:54 PM
Your GWOT medal isn't listed on your DD214?

CavTrooper
03-27-2009, 5:24 PM
Your service history needs to be updated. If your overseas tour isnt listed, you dont have official orders with your name on them, or some kind of record that you were deployed, then it never happend.

Do you have orders for your GWOTSM?

pjmeado
03-27-2009, 5:51 PM
I have one, but then again I am not sure if they changed the name, i received mine in 2003-2004. If you don't have the orders, check with your S1...not that many of them keep records that well..but it's worth a shot

Matt C
03-27-2009, 5:55 PM
My commander/COC made sure that the GWOT WAS (and is) in my dd214, it is written in the notes at the bottom (nothing in my service record about my overseas "trips", no written orders, not sure they were "deployments".

Anyways, I was just wondering about the medal, are they still issuing it?

If your overseas tour isnt listed, you dont have official orders with your name on them, or some kind of record that you were deployed, then it never happend.


heh, maybe you are right... Except I do officially have the GWOTESM, but I was never "officially" deployed. ;)

CavTrooper
03-27-2009, 6:08 PM
My commander/COC made sure that the GWOT WAS (and is) in my dd214, it is written in the notes at the bottom (nothing in my service record about my overseas "trips", no written orders, not sure they were "deployments".

Anyways, I was just wondering about the medal, are they still issuing it?



heh, maybe you are right... Except I do officially have the GWOTESM, but I was never "officially" deployed. ;)

Doesnt sound right. There should be some sort of orders with your name on them somewhere for you to deploy anywhere, shoot I have a copy from when i went to JRTC!

Do you have actual orders for your GWOTSM?

pjmeado
03-27-2009, 6:14 PM
Here is the reg. for the GWOT. Take a look, you may have received the GWOTESM in lieu of the GWOTSM.

. Criteria: a. Authorized to be awarded to soldiers who have participated in or served in support of Global War on Terrorism Operations outside the designated areas of eligibility (AOE) for the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, on or after 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Initial award of the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal (GWOTSM) will be limited to airport security operations (from 27 September 2001 through 31 May 2002) and soldiers who supported Operations Noble Eagle, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.

b. All soldiers on active duty, including Reserve Component soldiers mobilized, or National Guard soldiers activated on or after 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined, having served 30 consecutive days or for 60 nonconsecutive days are authorized the GWOTSM.

c. The medal may be awarded posthumously to any soldier who lost his/her life while, or as a direct result of, participating in Global War on Terrorism Operations, without regard to length of such service, if otherwise eligible.

d. Only one award of the GWOTSM may be authorized for any individual. A message will be transmitted at a later date by the Military Awards Branch to address battle stars/service stars.

Matt C
03-27-2009, 6:21 PM
Doesnt sound right. There should be some sort of orders with your name on them somewhere for you to deploy anywhere, shoot I have a copy from when i went to JRTC!

Do you have actual orders for your GWOTSM?

Nope, it's just on the DD214, I'll have to look and see which I have. (GWOTESM or GWOTSM). And like I said, I'm not sure it was a "deployment" technically (what is a deployment and what isn't? I have no idea). I was not guarding any airports though.

JimAmentler
03-27-2009, 7:10 PM
They still issue both the GWOTEX and the GWOTSM. Check the NDAWS web site for the instruction. That is odd that it's not in your service record. The good thing is that it's on your DD214.

jmlivingston
03-27-2009, 8:35 PM
It just occurred to me the the other day since that medal and my traumatic brain injury are the only evidence I have of being over there (nothing in my DD214, no orders).


Somewhere there's some orders with your name on it, there should be a copy in your personnel file. I'd recommend you request a copy of it from here (http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/).

So I'm curious, which "over there" were you involved with?

CavTrooper
03-27-2009, 8:45 PM
Nope, it's just on the DD214, I'll have to look and see which I have. (GWOTESM or GWOTSM). And like I said, I'm not sure it was a "deployment" technically (what is a deployment and what isn't? I have no idea). I was not guarding any airports though.

WTF do you mean you arent sure it was a deployment?

Did you go to Iraq or Afghanistan or not?

Matt C
03-27-2009, 8:47 PM
They still issue both the GWOTEX and the GWOTSM. Check the NDAWS web site for the instruction. That is odd that it's not in your service record. The good thing is that it's on your DD214.

When I was leaving active duty I said WTF how come it is not there, and I got a memorandum (or some such) form for it from either my unit commander or the battalion commander (I forget who signed it).

So I'm curious, which "over there" were you involved with?

Pretty much all of them, I worked protecting high ranking general officers, VIPs ect. Did POTUS a few times as well but that was stateside.

CavTrooper
03-27-2009, 9:03 PM
Just noticed you dont have a Purple Heart in your MilSig pic, whats up with that?

You got your tramautic brain injury "over there", where and what happened?

Matt C
03-27-2009, 9:29 PM
Just noticed you dont have a Purple Heart in your MilSig pic, whats up with that?

You got your tramautic brain injury "over there", where and what happened?

Didn't know there was a problem until VA told me a few months ago, I don't even have a rating for it yet, in fact I don't even know how bad it is. I don't really want to go do all the damn tests... The injury was from a fall, the enemy didn't cause it (probably). I don't really want to post it all online.

pjmeado
03-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Um..yeah, how do you not know if your were deployed or not. Even working black ops the guys get overseas orders to a general region. Did you go overseas or not?

WTF do you mean you arent sure it was a deployment?

Did you go to Iraq or Afghanistan or not?

Matt C
03-27-2009, 10:50 PM
Um..yeah, how do you not know if your were deployed or not. Even working black ops the guys get overseas orders to a general region. Did you go overseas or not?

Yeah. One time I gotten woken up at 2am after a 12 hour shift and was told I would be flying to NY and back. No orders then either... These were SHORT trips...

Anyways...

bobfried
03-28-2009, 12:49 PM
Yeah. One time I gotten woken up at 2am after a 12 hour shift and was told I would be flying to NY and back. No orders then either... These were SHORT trips...

Anyways...

Last time we talked was before your entire legal run around and you said you were already done with the Army Reserves. At that time you said you had been discharged as a Specialist and just going to school. Than all the stuff started happening to you and you dropped off the map for awhile. Than you pop back up and I notice your Specialist rank became a Corporal rank. Also noticed your awards line grew by a few ribbons, as well as shooting badges and an Air Assault wing. I was under the impression that you were out of the Army a few years ago.

So were you re-activated at some point between your legal issues and now? I'm surprised they didn't promote you to E-5 if you got activated again since they're just giving them out now. All of my soldiers that served under me are now E-5's and above and I ETS after you did as far as I can remember. As for your overseas service, did you have orders placing you overseas? Was it EURCOM, CENTCOM etc? If not, under what command were you placed under? And under those command, who was it that authorized your trips overseas to areas where you could have gotten an Expeditionary medal. It's vital that if your feet ever touched the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan that you get an Expeditionary Medal. If that's how they ran thing, you need to contact them and have them send you a memo about your trips, everything would be recorded and orders would have been cut even if you think they were not.

Last we talked you were an MP so I don't think you could have gotten yourself handling classified diplomatic missions as those are protected by DSS. Even if so you would have needed a Secret or TS clearance to handle those missions. The Army would have yanked your Secret or TS clearance the moment you get charged with anything so I can't imagine you still holding the clearances when you had your legal issues. In any case, MP's (more so the Reserve component) do not handle classified escort missions so anything you went on would have had orders cut by somebody. Admin people might tell you they didn't to save time, but believe me, in the Army, EVERYTHING (not classified above Secret level) have orders cut for them.

xLusi0n
03-28-2009, 2:52 PM
For awhile they were only authorizing either the GWOTEM or the Iraq/Afghanistan Campaign Medal (depending on which country you were in). You couldn't use the same orders to qualify for both. I don't know if this has changed. The GWOTSM is for support operations not in theater I believe. The way some orders were cut, some people got the GWOTSM during train up for deployment and a GWOTEM for time in theater.

eckerph
03-28-2009, 4:12 PM
GWOTEM info, we just got done dealing with some awards and decorations issues. Those paper pushers are some special folks, like short bus special:sleeping:


http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7812


n March 2003, President Bush approved the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal (GWOT-E) for award to Air Force active duty, Reserve and Guard personnel as recognition for their service in the Global War on Terrorism. For eligibility of the GWOT-E, individuals must have deployed abroad, on or after Sept. 11, 2001 and a future date to be determined, for service in Operations Enduring Freedom or Operation Iraqi Freedom and meet one of the following:

Assigned, attached, or mobilized to a unit participating in OEF/OIF and serving for 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days (there is no time limit required for nonconsecutive days to be accumulated). Be engaged in actual combat against the enemy and under circumstances involving grave danger or death or serious bodily injury from enemy action, regardless of time served in OEF/OIF. Killed, wounded or injured requiring medical evacuation from Operations OEF/OIF. Service members who, as a regularly assigned crew member flying sorties into, out of, within or over the area of eligibility in direct support of OEF or OIF, are eligible to qualify for award of the expeditionary medal. Each day that one or more sorties are flown shall count as one day toward the 30 or 60 day requirement.

Eligibility for the GWOT Expeditionary Medal: Individuals must have served in one of the following designated, specific geographic areas (land area, airspace or waters) of eligibility to be eligible for the GWOT Expeditionary Medal:

Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria (Bourgas), Chad, Columbia, Crete, Cyprus, Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guantanamo Bay (Cuba), Hungary, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kosovo (only specific GWOT operations not associated with operations qualifying for the Kosovo Campaign Medal), Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Romania (Constanta), Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey (east of 35 degrees east latitude), Turkmenistan, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen, that portion of the Arabian Sea north of 10 degrees north latitude and west of 68 degrees longitude, Bab El Mandeb, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Aqaba, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Suez, that portion of the Mediterranean Sea east of 28 degrees east longitude ("boarding and searching" vessel operations), Persian Gulf, Red Sea, Strait of Hormuz and Suez Canal.

(listing is updated as of Feb. 14, 2007)

Under no conditions will units or personnel within the United States be eligible for the GWOT-E.

Classification: the GWOT-E is a Defense Department campaign medal. Award of this medal does not prevent award of other types of recognition (such as decorations) normally associated with deployment. This medal may be awarded posthumously. Since there are no service star devices authorized at this time, members may only wear the medal. Also, there are no promotion points associated with this medal.

jmlivingston
03-28-2009, 4:16 PM
Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria (Bourgas), Chad, Columbia, Crete, Cyprus, Diego Garcia, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Guantanamo Bay (Cuba), Hungary, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kosovo (only specific GWOT operations not associated with operations qualifying for the Kosovo Campaign Medal), Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Romania (Constanta), Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey (east of 35 degrees east latitude), Turkmenistan, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen, that portion of the Arabian Sea north of 10 degrees north latitude and west of 68 degrees longitude, Bab El Mandeb, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Aqaba, Gulf of Oman, Gulf of Suez, that portion of the Mediterranean Sea east of 28 degrees east longitude ("boarding and searching" vessel operations), Persian Gulf, Red Sea, Strait of Hormuz and Suez Canal.


Some very interesting countries included in that list.

bobfried
03-28-2009, 4:53 PM
Some very interesting countries included in that list.

Those SOCOM boys need to have their pats on the back too. It's the least DOD can do for giving them names like John Smith with an SSN of 123-45-6790 and a DD-214 that looks like it belongs to a PV2 out of AIT; all the whilst your looking at an E-8.

chris
03-28-2009, 9:32 PM
i received a GWOT when i left Iraq in 06

MrSlippyFist
03-29-2009, 10:47 AM
i received a GWOT when i left Iraq in 06


Same here, 05

cgseanp1
03-29-2009, 3:25 PM
:popcorn:Last time we talked was before your entire legal run around and you said you were already done with the Army Reserves. At that time you said you had been discharged as a Specialist and just going to school. Than all the stuff started happening to you and you dropped off the map for awhile. Than you pop back up and I notice your Specialist rank became a Corporal rank. Also noticed your awards line grew by a few ribbons, as well as shooting badges and an Air Assault wing. I was under the impression that you were out of the Army a few years ago.

So were you re-activated at some point between your legal issues and now? I'm surprised they didn't promote you to E-5 if you got activated again since they're just giving them out now. All of my soldiers that served under me are now E-5's and above and I ETS after you did as far as I can remember. As for your overseas service, did you have orders placing you overseas? Was it EURCOM, CENTCOM etc? If not, under what command were you placed under? And under those command, who was it that authorized your trips overseas to areas where you could have gotten an Expeditionary medal. It's vital that if your feet ever touched the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan that you get an Expeditionary Medal. If that's how they ran thing, you need to contact them and have them send you a memo about your trips, everything would be recorded and orders would have been cut even if you think they were not.

Last we talked you were an MP so I don't think you could have gotten yourself handling classified diplomatic missions as those are protected by DSS. Even if so you would have needed a Secret or TS clearance to handle those missions. The Army would have yanked your Secret or TS clearance the moment you get charged with anything so I can't imagine you still holding the clearances when you had your legal issues. In any case, MP's (more so the Reserve component) do not handle classified escort missions so anything you went on would have had orders cut by somebody. Admin people might tell you they didn't to save time, but believe me, in the Army, EVERYTHING (not classified above Secret level) have orders cut for them.

Matt C
03-29-2009, 5:29 PM
Last time we talked was before your entire legal run around and you said you were already done with the Army Reserves.

Not really "done" since I still had (and have) IRR time and was doing correspondence for retirement points. Also I was entering a CID unit near my and already had passed the board to get in. Obviously that went away when I got arrested and lost my clearance.

At that time you said you had been discharged as a Specialist and just going to school. Than all the stuff started happening to you and you dropped off the map for awhile. Than you pop back up and I notice your Specialist rank became a Corporal rank. Also noticed your awards line grew by a few ribbons, as well as shooting badges and an Air Assault wing. I was under the impression that you were out of the Army a few years ago.

My Sig pic has always been the same...

So were you re-activated at some point between your legal issues and now? I'm surprised they didn't promote you to E-5 if you got activated again since they're just giving them out now. All of my soldiers that served under me are now E-5's and above and I ETS after you did as far as I can remember. As for your overseas service, did you have orders placing you overseas? Was it EURCOM, CENTCOM etc? If not, under what command were you placed under? And under those command, who was it that authorized your trips overseas to areas where you could have gotten an Expeditionary medal. It's vital that if your feet ever touched the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan that you get an Expeditionary Medal. If that's how they ran thing, you need to contact them and have them send you a memo about your trips, everything would be recorded and orders would have been cut even if you think they were not.

Last we talked you were an MP so I don't think you could have gotten yourself handling classified diplomatic missions as those are protected by DSS.

DSS does not protect general officers.

Even if so you would have needed a Secret or TS clearance to handle those missions. The Army would have yanked your Secret or TS clearance the moment you get charged with anything so I can't imagine you still holding the clearances when you had your legal issues.

Yup, my clearance is currently suspended and hopefully it will stay that way until my IRR time is up.

In any case, MP's (more so the Reserve component) do not handle classified escort missions so anything you went on would have had orders cut by somebody. Admin people might tell you they didn't to save time, but believe me, in the Army, EVERYTHING (not classified above Secret level) have orders cut for them.

You're probably right. Anyways why the third degree, I just asked a question about whether they were still issuing the GWOT because I thought it would be funny if they were, even though it was now called some contingency BS.

Believe me I'm not going to sit around dreaming up embellishments to add to my military career, I could care less what medals I got or didn't get, and the GWOT is right there on my dd214.

OIF_VET
03-29-2009, 7:06 PM
Something don't smell right.

JerryM
03-30-2009, 2:24 AM
Yeah, you can still get the GWOTEM (Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal) overseas.

There was a bruhaha about who qualified for it and how.

For example:

You go to Iraq on your first GWOT deployment, you can either get the GWOTEM or the ICM (Iraq Campaign Medal) (last time I was briefed, it is your choice and you arrange that with the nice civilian ladies finalizing your DD-214 at demob station).

You cannot get both from one mobilization (with the exception of units that are training in Kuwait for over a month and move into Iraq, and other extreme exceptions).

You go to Iraq again, then you can get either the GWOTEM or the ICM.

You go to Afghanistan, you can get the AFCM (Afghanistan Campaign Medal). If you are ISAF, you also qualify for the NATO Medal.

All the above awards are only awarded once. With the ICM and AFCM, you can add bronze stars per campaign.

The GWOTSM (Global War on Terrorism Service Medal) is awarded to active duty personnel and reservists who are activated for a consecutive period of 30 days (except for ADT).

I might be wrong, so if anybody sees any discrepancies, please correct me.

cgseanp1
03-30-2009, 3:00 AM
I received the GWOTS medal.. I'm in the Coast Guard, not exactly sure why I got it. I think we all got it?

resistor
03-30-2009, 4:40 AM
Something don't smell right.

Definitely.

I'm calling ********. The guy doesnt know if he did or didnt deploy? He says he has no other record in his 201 file or online record indicating he ever went, and starts going on about top secret high level PSD missions back and forth to the states? Add to that his "legal" problems and it polishes up like a turd...

He opened the can himself, and wonders why he gets the thrid degree.

Soldier415
03-30-2009, 5:58 AM
I have both the GWOT and the GWOTEM

GWOT was for service within the US in support of security.anti-terrorism missions.

The GWOTEM is for deploying overseas in support of Operation Enduring Freedom to a country for which there is no campaign medal.

Matt C
03-30-2009, 9:07 AM
Definitely.

I'm calling ********. The guy doesnt know if he did or didnt deploy? He says he has no other record in his 201 file or online record indicating he ever went, and starts going on about top secret high level PSD missions back and forth to the states? Add to that his "legal" problems and it polishes up like a turd...

He opened the can himself, and wonders why he gets the thrid degree.

LOL, nothing top secret about those CONUS PSD missions, although we did get some secret briefings related to threats first. I worked with secret service on POTUS missions as well. You think I'm lying? I don't give a ****. Post your record and I can call you a liar too. I left the country. Does that automatically make it a deployment, the moment you are off US soil? I don't know. I don't care either. But I guess it's fun to call people a liar on the internets. And wtf do my "legal" problems have to do anything?

Matt C
03-30-2009, 10:31 AM
Aw crap now I feel like an ahole. There IS a problem with my sig pic (actually two), although I don't think any has actually mentioned it here. There are TWO GWOT ribbons, which is my mistake. Obviously I only have one. I'm removing my sig pic until I get a chance to fix it.

resistor
03-30-2009, 11:11 AM
Hahaha. For soemone who doesnt give a ****, you certainly arent acting like it. You say that you dont care what I or others think, yet there you go again dropping your "record" in a public forum. I'm not the one who opened up to the world on the "internets" about where I've been or what I've done. I dont have the need or the inclination the way you seem to.

I called ******** on your story because it needs clarification, which you've so far refused to provide. Your refusal to answer questions posted by cavtooper and others raises questions of credibility, and when it comes to false or exaggerated claims about one's military record, well...

I guess I'm of the opinion that you believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

A perfect example is a soldier in my unit, goes into a bunker thats off limits in the middle of the night because he's "bored". Climbing back out, he falls and breaks his leg badly. Gets medevac'd to Germany. Calls his family and tells them he was "wounded" during a raid, kicking in doors and all that. Well, his family wants more info so they call the unit. You can imainge what teh outcome was.

Imagine what that idiot is going to tell joe schmo public who would NEVER know the difference? By the time that story gets told, he was awarded the silver star.

If youre going to open up publicly, be prepared to be asked questions and corroborate your claims.

OIF_VET
03-30-2009, 3:30 PM
"Blackwater" OPS....let me guess, you worked for thoes guys also?

dwa
03-30-2009, 3:42 PM
:lurk5:

bones138
03-30-2009, 11:31 PM
Wow, you guys are brutal.

I had no idea that you could put stars on your Iraqi Campaign Medal. Do I get 1 star on it if I deployed 3 times(in different phases?)? The GWOTEM counts for 1 deployment right? :confused:

docsmileyface
03-31-2009, 4:48 AM
Wow, you guys are brutal.

I had no idea that you could put stars on your Iraqi Campaign Medal. Do I get 1 star on it if I deployed 3 times(in different phases?)? The GWOTEM counts for 1 deployment right? :confused:

I think the stars are based on the time frame you were in country, right? Like there is three different periods and if two of your tours fell in that period, you'd only get one star for it.

At least thats how it was described to me.

CavTrooper
03-31-2009, 7:54 AM
Theres no stars authorized for either of the GWOT medals AFAIK.

MrLogan
03-31-2009, 9:05 AM
Theres no stars authorized for either of the GWOT medals AFAIK.

You would be correct.

chris
03-31-2009, 12:58 PM
Theres no stars authorized for either of the GWOT medals AFAIK.

there are stars for the Iraq campaign medal and they are specific to the dates one would be in Iraq. it was in an Army Times article sometime last year. as i'am authorized two for the election of dec 2005 and some other crap in 2006. not sure what it was though.

You would be correct.

as to my knowledge there is no campaign stars for the GWOTEM or GWOTSM.
things can change for medals all the time.

chris
03-31-2009, 1:02 PM
Yeah, you can still get the GWOTEM (Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal) overseas.

There was a bruhaha about who qualified for it and how.

For example:

You go to Iraq on your first GWOT deployment, you can either get the GWOTEM or the ICM (Iraq Campaign Medal) (last time I was briefed, it is your choice and you arrange that with the nice civilian ladies finalizing your DD-214 at demob station).

You cannot get both from one mobilization (with the exception of units that are training in Kuwait for over a month and move into Iraq, and other extreme exceptions).

You go to Iraq again, then you can get either the GWOTEM or the ICM.

You go to Afghanistan, you can get the AFCM (Afghanistan Campaign Medal). If you are ISAF, you also qualify for the NATO Medal.

All the above awards are only awarded once. With the ICM and AFCM, you can add bronze stars per campaign.

The GWOTSM (Global War on Terrorism Service Medal) is awarded to active duty personnel and reservists who are activated for a consecutive period of 30 days (except for ADT).

I might be wrong, so if anybody sees any discrepancies, please correct me.

you can get the GWOT and ICM while in Iraq. that is what is on my 214 and i had no idea that it changed. so much crap changes its hard to keep up with it.

JerryM
04-01-2009, 3:58 AM
Yeah Chris,

You might fall in one of them special timeframes/situations.

We had to call Human Resources because everybody was adamant that we did not qualify for both, until we showed them we did.

Oh well.

And the above posters are correct. As of today, no stars for GWOTSM and GWOTEM.

You should see my official photo. I look like a Banana Republican General. LOL.

chris
04-01-2009, 5:06 AM
Yeah Chris,

You might fall in one of them special timeframes/situations.

We had to call Human Resources because everybody was adamant that we did not qualify for both, until we showed them we did.

Oh well.

And the above posters are correct. As of today, no stars for GWOTSM and GWOTEM.

You should see my official photo. I look like a Banana Republican General. LOL.

LMAO. i have not seen so many things change so quickly as far as the Army goes. this is really interesting times we are in.

Wayneard3413
04-03-2009, 3:11 PM
My interest got piqued when I read Romania was on the GWOTEM list... Then I remembered that whole "combat" thing... Only interesting thing that went down there was a Romak zapping himself on an industrial size AC unit and trying to out run the packs of dogs during PT haha

goathead
04-03-2009, 7:24 PM
wow it's crazy up in this post

Maddog5150
04-04-2009, 2:57 PM
Wow. I just realized something. Does the GWOT supposed to appear on your DD214? Stupid question but im just a dumb private. Reason I ask is because I, along with everyone in my company and every other cherry in class B's I ever saw on sand hill, was issued the GWOT service ribbon. I just looked at my DD214 after reading this and its not there :confused:

Wayneard3413
04-05-2009, 7:02 AM
I know our guys just getting out of AIT all had the National Defense Service Medal... Unless they changed up the regs I was under the assumption that the GWOTM was only awarded if you were deployed (usually CONUS) in support of the GWOT

The Soup Nazi
04-05-2009, 10:44 AM
I know our guys just getting out of AIT all had the National Defense Service Medal... Unless they changed up the regs I was under the assumption that the GWOTM was only awarded if you were deployed (usually CONUS) in support of the GWOT

You get the expeditionary medal for actually deploying. The GWOT Service Medal is given in the Marine Corps for 90 days in the Fleet Marine Force (Training status doesn't count, it isn't exactly contributing directly to the war effort), I'm assuming the other services have a similar policy as soon as you get out of "student" status.

MrLogan
04-05-2009, 10:01 PM
Wow. I just realized something. Does the GWOT supposed to appear on your DD214? Stupid question but im just a dumb private. Reason I ask is because I, along with everyone in my company and every other cherry in class B's I ever saw on sand hill, was issued the GWOT service ribbon. I just looked at my DD214 after reading this and its not there :confused:

You need to get your DD214 corrected.

CavTrooper
04-07-2009, 8:43 AM
https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/tagd/awards/Message_Reference_Index/Subfolder__126-150/ACM_and_ICM-Implementing_Instructions_CHANGE_1.pdf

Heres the criteria for the GWTEM, GWTSM in conjuction with the ACF and ICM.

Basically, you may qualify for either the GWTEM OR a campaign medal, but not both for the same period of service.

You can qualify for the GWTSM AND a campaign medal, and depending on the periods of service, a campaign star. (see milper message 08-123)

Heres the qualifications for the GWTSM:

4. Criteria: a. Authorized to be awarded to soldiers who have participated in or served in support of Global War on Terrorism Operations outside the designated areas of eligibility (AOE) for the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, on or after 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Initial award of the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal (GWOTSM) will be limited to airport security operations (from 27 September 2001 through 31 May 2002) and soldiers who supported Operations Noble Eagle, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.

b. All soldiers on active duty, including Reserve Component soldiers mobilized, or National Guard soldiers activated on or after 11 September 2001 to a date to be determined, having served 30 consecutive days or for 60 nonconsecutive days are authorized the GWOTSM.

c. The medal may be awarded posthumously to any soldier who lost his/her life while, or as a direct result of, participating in Global War on Terrorism Operations, without regard to length of such service, if otherwise eligible.

d. Only one award of the GWOTSM may be authorized for any individual. A message will be transmitted at a later date by the Military Awards Branch to address battle stars/service stars.