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ArcLight
03-24-2009, 5:30 PM
I have several AR15's and an AR10, i have been buying reloads, and have decided to just start reloading myself. All im going to be doing are 5.56/.223 and 7.62x39/.308. Now i want a progressive machine, and i have about $500 dollars to spend. Could someone please point me in the right direction as far as which presses are good in that price range. Thanks for the help.
Links and Pics would be great:thumbsup:

Jonathan Doe
03-24-2009, 5:41 PM
Dillon 550B. Cannot beat that. Although, I use 2 single stage presses for my rifles, one for each caliber.

Teletiger7
03-24-2009, 5:44 PM
Dillon 550 or 650 would be good.

freonr22
03-24-2009, 5:45 PM
Hornady L-n-L AP is very nice

r08ert209cali
03-24-2009, 5:46 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hornady-Lock-N-Load-AP-L-N-L-EZJECT-Press-095100-NEW_W0QQitemZ140309792023QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item140309792023&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50

dillon deal http://cgi.ebay.com/DILLON-XL650-AUTO-INDEXING-RELOADING-PRESS-EXTRAS_W0QQitemZ260382268675QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item260382268675&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50

CSACANNONEER
03-24-2009, 5:47 PM
Even with a progresive press, you will want to have a single stage press on your bench too. I will encourage you to look at 550B as your primary press. The 650 is too far outside of your price range.

ArcLight
03-24-2009, 5:49 PM
I think im going to go with the Dillon XL 650.. Thanks for the help:43: But i was looking on their website and couldnt find 7.62x51??

popeye4
03-24-2009, 10:52 PM
If you are new to reloading, I would STRONGLY suggest that you start with a single stage press and learn the different steps before moving to a progressive. IMHO, there is too much going on with a progressive at one time for someone new to the hobby to be able to monitor.

As someone else mentioned, you'll need a single stage press even if you have the top end Dillon on your bench. Start with a good single stage, get a good loading manual (and Zediker's "Reloading for Competition" if you want to get an advanced degree) master the different steps, and THEN go buy the Dillon.

I have a Dillon 650 and it is a wonderful machine, but I'd hate to have to learn how to reload (particularly for a gas gun) on it. There are too many variables and critical steps that can be missed with all that mechanical action going on. Remember, this stuff can blow up in your face if you don't do it properly. :TFH:

For $500, you can get outfitted with a single stage press quite nicely. Remember, you need dies, measuring gauges, a scale, powder measure, case tumbler, trimmer, etc. Get set up with the basics first. If you buy good equipment, it will last for more than a lifetime (I bought my RCBS Rock Chucker in 1977 and it is still my primary press).

Doug

operationblackwater
03-24-2009, 10:58 PM
RCBS Rock Chucker master kit, with Frankford Arsenal Quick-N-EZ Case Tumbler Master Kit with Quick-N-EZ Rotary Media Separator.

jwest
03-24-2009, 11:03 PM
www.dillonprecision.com

www.sugarfreebob.com - allegedly has free shipping - can get anything Dillon for you - tell him I sent you - I met him at the Cow Palace.

C.G.
03-24-2009, 11:06 PM
Hornady L-n-L AP is very nice

Yup, a lot of people drink the blue cool-aid on this forum, but I am glad I picked up the red AP press in addition to my green single stage.:)

wikidklown
03-25-2009, 12:41 AM
D650 and a Lee single stage (for decapping, pistol and a more precise loads) is my setup.

Can't go wrong with dillon no BS replacement parts....

Just saw the 500 budget --> Lee (4 pos)turret press or progressive looks like a good bet. You can buy all the stuff you need to reload 2 or 3 calibers
for $500.00.

Read up, get a feel of how you will be using the loader and quantity you will be producing to utilize of course and see what you can afford. If you buy a quality reloader and find out it's not your gig, resale value and demand is always great, have fun!

freonr22
03-25-2009, 12:48 AM
I want a camdex

http://cgi.ebay.com/CAMDEX-45-COLT-AUTOMATIC-AND-CONTINUOUS-RELOADER_W0QQitemZ140307193633QQcmdZViewItemQQptZL H_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item140307193633&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Faust
03-25-2009, 12:56 AM
Take a peek
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=114&t=419318
but do not overlook the Hornady L-n-L
You will need a single stage, I'd recomend a RCBS.

freonr22
03-25-2009, 1:02 AM
umm quite a few smilies there... @ least 4 pages worth, but i get it and he seems like a nice guy

westcoastr
03-25-2009, 9:12 AM
the RCBS Pro2000 is good if you size on a separate single stage. but just get a dillon

domokun
03-25-2009, 11:41 AM
I think im going to go with the Dillon XL 650.. Thanks for the help:43: But i was looking on their website and couldnt find 7.62x51??

Get the 308 Winchester carbide die set, you should be able to load 7.62x51mm with it if you set the dies the correct depth. I think you've probably figured that out with your other thread here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=166220

buffybuster
03-25-2009, 12:06 PM
The carbide on a bottleneck rifle die doesn't get you anything. You still need to lube the cases before you resize them. The carbide increases the life of the sizing die and is primarily for commercial applications when loading HIGH volumes. Very doubtful that you will ever wear out a standard steel body die, would take maybe 100K rounds or more to do it.

wikidklown
03-30-2009, 5:52 AM
The carbide on a bottleneck rifle die doesn't get you anything. You still need to lube the cases before you resize them.

Hell yeah, I found out the hard way.....been using lube ever since.

Waldog
03-30-2009, 9:07 AM
Read this: http://www.comrace.ca/cmfiles/dillonLeeHornadyComparison.pdf

I found it to be a fair comparison.

Be mindful that EACH press has it's quirks. You have to figure out which quirks will irritate you less. An easily adjustable, accurate powder measure and auto indexing were paramount to me.

HighLander51
07-15-2010, 5:11 PM
Dillon 550 for rifle, (you can't double charge a rifle case). Look on Ebay for a used one, the warranty is forever and they use standard die sets. Here looks like a nice clean used one

http://cgi.ebay.com/DILLON-RL-550-40-S-W-PRESS-AND-SOME-ACCESSORIES-USED-/220635993817?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335eee16d9

not all beat up like mine

killshot44
07-15-2010, 6:17 PM
Dillons are fantastic but I wouldn't start on one.
Lee Classic Turret (4 hole) are nice and between a single stage and a progressive.
+1 on the Frankford Arsenal Tumbler Kit.
Get good dies, check out Redding's dies and read AR15 Barrel's stickys here.

ty423
07-15-2010, 8:12 PM
Denverduck is selling a Hornady LockNLoad Auto progressive press for I think $350... that'll be a good start for sure!!! has case activated powder drop too...

Fyathyrio
07-15-2010, 9:10 PM
With your stated budget of $500, you're not gonna get far if you buy the Dillon. You will still need a lot of other equipment to successfully reload. Scales, calipers, brass prep, dies, ect. Check out the comparison linked above, look at the Hornady, factor in the cheaper cost of changing caliber, dig the 500 free bullets, large and small primer feed system included, good powder drop included, and shop at www.manventure.com and see if that fits your budget better.

You may still blow your budget, but not by as much. In the long run it'll be worth it which ever way you go...but buying the Hornady will leave you more cash for powder and primers!

freonr22
07-16-2010, 12:04 AM
U necro

Mr. Casull
07-26-2010, 4:25 PM
Buy the Dillon 650 and you will never look back. Buying anything else will just mean you have two presses. The one you buy now and the 650 you buy later. My motto is "cry once" and you won't have to cry "twice". A second press should be a single stage for those special projects like pulling bullets, etc.

CSACANNONEER
07-26-2010, 4:28 PM
Buy the Dillon 650 and you will never look back. Buying anything else will just mean you have two presses. The one you buy now and the 650 you buy later. My motto is "cry once" and you won't have to cry "twice". A second press should be a single stage for those special projects like pulling bullets, etc.

I've bought several presses since I bought my 650. IMHO, a 650 is NOT the end all be all in presses. Of course, I don't think that there is a perfect press out there.

7x57
07-26-2010, 4:44 PM
IMHO, a 650 is NOT the end all be all in presses.

Ooh, NOW you've done it. :chris:

7x57

CSACANNONEER
07-26-2010, 4:52 PM
Ooh, NOW you've done it. :chris:

7x57

I know. I know.;):p

brando
07-26-2010, 4:55 PM
Seconded - the 650 is a great progressive, but the last thing I would chose for precision rifle ammo. Besides, I don't think you can load .338LM nor .408CT - so it's dead to me ;)

dstewart
07-26-2010, 5:24 PM
I've bought several presses since I bought my 650. IMHO, a 650 is NOT the end all be all in presses. Of course, I don't think that there is a perfect press out there.

+1, for mass production of 45acp its great but I ran it like a single stage for my 454 loads. With the 650 I could not get the consistency out of it I was looking for, charge, seating or crimping. It was better if I ran one round at a time and manually weighed the charge. Recently I bought a Horady L-N-L classic and I love it. Very easy to use, good overall quality and most importantly its very consistent.

bongfoo
07-26-2010, 6:03 PM
i started on a Lee single stage press (bought the anniversary kit). i've loaded THOUSANDS of rounds on that thing! i load 9mm, 30 carbine,223/556,7mm rem mag,38sp/357mag and soon to start 30-06 for my garand. i picked up a lee pro 1000 for cheap and am using that primarily for 9mm now. i can't say one bad thing about Lee stuff. i know ppl frown upon it but for the money it works and works well. don't discount the small guy!

C.G.
07-26-2010, 6:09 PM
Besides, I don't think you can load .338LM nor .408CT - so it's dead to me ;)

Don't know about the .408CT, but you can load .338LM on Dillon 650 with mods (Thmpr has done it) and on Hornady LNL without mods, but for some reason Hornady stopped making a shellplate for .338LM, I got mine a while back.

Cowboy T
07-26-2010, 6:36 PM
I'd seriously look at the Lee Classic Turret Press for your needs. The press is very strong, very smooth, has four stations, and does a great job of reloading ammo. Oh, and it won't break your bank. I have this model of press, and there's no reloading job I wouldn't trust it for. Lee makes some good, and just as importantly, affordable to mere mortals, equipment. The Classic Turret Press is among the best example of this.

While you're at it, pick up a Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure with the riser kit. After you've measured out 500 or so powder charges the old fashioned way, you'll be glad you made that purchase.

LGB Loader
07-26-2010, 8:02 PM
www.sugarfreebob.com - allegedly has free shipping - can get anything Dillon for you .

Bob and his Son (his wife is cool too) are good folks and strong supporters of 2nd ammendment rights and do their part to support shooters, hunters, and handloaders alike. I would not hesitate to buy from Bob. He also has a nice little shop in Cypress CA and I use to drop by daily after picking up my son from preschool right down the block. He is always willing to help, will cut a deal for you and will back it up with proper customer service. Just a top notch class act all around.

Back to the question...

I have 3 blue presses (1 x 550B & 2 x 650XL) , a T7, a RC (my first press), a Lee Classic cast and a Lee Challenger (old one without the breech locks) and use to have a Hornady LNL AP (Sold it because I liked the 650 a bit better).

That said, I would sincerely take a hard look at the Lee Classic Turret as it is an in-between single stage and progressive press, good to learn on, you can use it as a single stage or auto index. Good for the money and a darn good machine. $500.00 seems like alot to work with, but buy the time you buy all the little stuff...scales, trimmers, Powder throw, dies, calipers, manuals, tumbler,etc. (the list goes on from there, believe me :) ) and then you need consumables as well... Before you know it, $500.00 is gone....

Have a look at Kempfs shop as they seem to have the best price for a kit. I have looked around and will probably be picking up one as well.

Just my $0.02 worth...

LGB

ar15barrels
07-26-2010, 11:38 PM
Seconded - the 650 is a great progressive, but the last thing I would chose for precision rifle ammo. Besides, I don't think you can load .338LM nor .408CT - so it's dead to me ;)

Yes you can.
You just need a custom platform and shellholder that makes it into a hell of a single stage press. ;)

miles_ahead
07-28-2010, 12:44 PM
I Agree with popeye4 on this one. Get the basics down with a single stage press, get the LEE Classic cast press its not that expensive less than $100.00 last time i checked and that way you'll have a really good solid foundation on the process of reloading.

fullspeed1
07-28-2010, 1:08 PM
I've bought several presses since I bought my 650. IMHO, a 650 is NOT the end all be all in presses. Of course, I don't think that there is a perfect press out there.

+1, I agree. Each and every press vary in production and use.

Cowboy T
07-28-2010, 2:27 PM
Actually, for a very first press, I'd recommend this Lee press. Comes with a pretty decent load data book, too.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=480380

Don't let the low price fool you. This press is easily strong enough to reload .338 Win Magnum ammo, let alone what you're going to be doing. I still use mine (a lot!) for cast boolit sizing, and my g/f is learning how to reload on it now. So, it's durable.

mif_slim
07-28-2010, 5:01 PM
I see alot of CGN blue-coolaids, yet when I ask around my area and other cities I go to...no one seem to use dillon. Only ran into a few that does, which they really do and one guy was BS'n that he's running Dillon because he couldnt even name the right press and he was a CGN member. :(

Lee, Hornady, RCBS, Dillon all good, just depends on your machanic skills and choose one. No press is perfect. I have a old Lee single stage press I had since 2001...they still replaced the parts for free when I called in last month. I say thats pretty good for a 1 year warranty. They also replaced my sprue plate for a mold i had since 2002, free.

Table Rock Arms
07-28-2010, 6:29 PM
I have several AR15's and an AR10, i have been buying reloads, and have decided to just start reloading myself. All im going to be doing are 5.56/.223 and 7.62x39/.308. Now i want a progressive machine, and i have about $500 dollars to spend. Could someone please point me in the right direction as far as which presses are good in that price range. Thanks for the help.
Links and Pics would be great:thumbsup:

What kind of shooting have you been doing. If you have just been buying reloads and going out and blasting (nothing wrong with that), then you are gonna be looking at way more than $500 to get you set up to load those kind of quantities with .223 or .308 as there is more to it than just throwing it in your press and powering them out. Also, you may find that it is a lot more work than it is worth.

The link to the $30 single stage press looked pretty good, as you could get your feet wet with it and find out if it's for you. If you are into it and decide to buy a progressive press then your not really out anything as it is a good idea to have a single stage press around.

RaymondMillbrae
07-28-2010, 7:36 PM
Get the Dillon XL650.

Always buy a little more than you need. It will prevent you from "outgrowing it".

If you purchase a single stage press...in a few weeks you will be looking at progressive presses and wishing you had invested in one from the git-go. (The learning curve is not all that difficult).

I have a few friends who wish they had purchased an XL650 from the beginning. But I don't know anyone who purchased an XL650 first, and then wished they had purchased a single stage press.

Check out the video tutorial below my signature. (RELOADING .223 VIDEO).

By the way, I am a Dillon user, so I can only vouch for the Dillon. But I have heard many good things about the Hornady LNL as well. ;)

In Christ: Raymond

Malthusian
07-28-2010, 7:56 PM
I just got my Dillon XL650 yesterday
Made my first rounds today
Very happy with it

Wish I would have gotten it years ago
As per another post. If you start with a beginner press, you will just wind up with two presses.

I was sold on Dillon years ago, just never had the money. I would consider
the Hornady had I not been wanting a Dillon for so long

Table Rock Arms
07-28-2010, 9:15 PM
Get the Dillon XL650.

Always buy a little more than you need. It will prevent you from "outgrowing it".

If you purchase a single stage press...in a few weeks you will be looking at progressive presses and wishing you had invested in one from the git-go. (The learning curve is not all that difficult).

I have a few friends who wish they had purchased an XL650 from the beginning. But I don't know anyone who purchased an XL650 first, and then wished they had purchased a single stage press.

Check out the video tutorial below my signature. (RELOADING .223 VIDEO).

By the way, I am a Dillon user, so I can only vouch for the Dillon. But I have heard many good things about the Hornady LNL as well. ;)

In Christ: Raymond

His budget is $500 so he would be buying more than he could afford. The XL650 is more than $500 and it does not come with dies. Then he will need everything else. And you wouldn't buy that machine and not get a case feeder. he would be in it for $1000, and he doesn't even know if reloading is for him. Now don't get me wrong the 650 is a great machine and I would recommend one to most any reloader. But it is a serious investment.

Adub
07-28-2010, 9:20 PM
His budget is $500 so he would be buying more than he could afford. The XL650 is more than $500 and it does not come with dies. Then he will need everything else. And you wouldn't buy that machine and not get a case feeder. he would be in it for $1000, and he doesn't even know if reloading is for him. Now don't get me wrong the 650 is a great machine and I would recommend one to most any reloader. But it is a serious investment.

Definitely a valid point, but I bet if it wasn't for him and he decided he didn't want it and sold it, he could probably get nearly as much as he decides to put into. I personally don't see them for sale too often and when you do, they sell pretty quick.

Table Rock Arms
07-28-2010, 9:27 PM
Definitely a valid point, but I bet if it wasn't for him and he decided he didn't want it and sold it, he could probably get nearly as much as he decides to put into. I personally don't see them for sale too often and when you do, they sell pretty quick.

Your probably right about that. If he actually has the cash probably not a big deal, but if he truly only has $500 then he is gonna come up short.

Adub
07-28-2010, 9:36 PM
Your probably right about that. If he actually has the cash probably not a big deal, but if he truly only has $500 then he is gonna come up short.

Definitely, I was lucky enough to pick up a bunch of brass, bullets, presses, powder throwers and scales for $300 just recently to start my journey into this and buying just dies, powder, media, tumbler, trimmer and a few other things just kept me under $500 so i can't imagine starting from scratch with $500 and getting a progressive.

Anyways, good luck! And hope you enjoy

Cowboy T
07-28-2010, 11:46 PM
Get the Dillon XL650.


Umm...you did read the part about "he has $500 to spend"...didn't you?


By the way, I am a Dillon user, so I can only vouch for the Dillon. But I have heard many good things about the Hornady LNL as well. ;)


That may work if you have a Mercedes/Rolls-Royce reloading budget, but not everyone has that, including the OP. This guy needs a Honda Accord, not a Rolls-Royce.

Malthusian
07-29-2010, 5:40 AM
I originally bought the RCBS single stage combo press starter kit. It came with most of the stuff to get started. I believe I still needed to get calipers and a case tumbler.

Looking in the Midway catalog, that would put him around $500

RaymondMillbrae
07-29-2010, 7:44 AM
Skip the Mickey D's for a month, skip the weekly haircut, and the kids will probably benefit from the loss of junk food snacks, and a movie or two, for a few weeks! (But they will always remember "Daddy" behind his reloading bench, teaching them how to reload).

Save a few extra shekels, and go with the XL650.

Look forward, never look back, and take the plunge.

I know the OP stated that $500.00 was his limit. But if he has $500.00 smacker-roo's...then I'm sure he can come up with an extra $200.00 or $300.00 more for the "Big Boy".

Discipline, brother.

Go all the way.

Progressive or bust!!!

That's my story, and I'm running with it. :)

In Christ: Raymond

PS: I like the car analogy. (I like to read analogies. It kinda lets me see how folks mind's work). But the difference in vehicles can be a $20,000 or $30,000 difference. Whereas the progressive press difference will only be $300 to $500 difference...depending which direction you want to take. And you can always add a few extra luxury features down the road without breaking your wallet. :)

Cowboy T
07-29-2010, 3:14 PM
You're a crackup, RaymondMillbrae! :-D

However, we're still not sure if that $500 budget is just for his press, or if it's for all the other gear that needs to go with it (tumbler, media, calipers, decent scale, at least two good load books, etc.). If that's his *total* budget, then all that other stuff can add up pretty quickly.

ArcLight, can you clarify on this point?

But regardless of his budget, I'd still suggest a cheapie Lee single-stage (the $30 one) to start with, to see if he actually likes the hobby. Up-front out-of-pocket expense does matter (it sure did to me, I ain't rich). Even if he goes for the Rolls--er, Dillon progressive, he'll still find a little single stage press like that handy to fix errant rounds and such.

AirtechJr
09-15-2010, 6:52 AM
Check out calipers ($20) and tumbler @ harbor freight tools. Walnut media from a good pet store. Then get the rest used. I suggest a 550b. Worked for me. Denverduck was a great help.

AirtechJr
09-15-2010, 6:54 AM
The 550b new if you can. Good luck.

Malthusian
09-15-2010, 3:17 PM
Watch the videos of the 550B
Then watch the videos of the XL650

Not sure why the 550B is so popular. For a little more the XL650 makes my life easier
by far

at_liberty
09-15-2010, 3:31 PM
Not sure why the 550B is so popular. For a little more the XL650 makes my life easier
by far

My gunsmith friend, who has both models, indicated that caliber changes are much faster on the 550B, IIRC. The 650 changeovers aren't bad but are involved enough for owners to tend to have more than one machine just to avoid the changes.

Chief-7700
09-15-2010, 4:44 PM
My gunsmith friend, who has both models, indicated that caliber changes are much faster on the 550B, IIRC. The 650 changeovers aren't bad but are involved enough for owners to tend to have more than one machine just to avoid the changes.

The only real difference in caliber change outs between the RL-550B and The XL-650 is the priming system.

at_liberty
09-15-2010, 6:15 PM
The only real difference in caliber change outs between the RL-550B and The XL-650 is the priming system.

The case feeder, which is likely included with the 650, would be a factor, right?

Chief-7700
09-15-2010, 6:41 PM
The case feeder, which is likely included with the 650, would be a factor, right?

That is around one minute to switch out four parts. The RL-550b has an optional carefeeder for it also.

Malthusian
09-15-2010, 7:02 PM
550B case feeder only does pistol calibers, another point to consider
Don't know why, but that is what is posted on their website

For the priming system for the XL650 it is easier to buy the whole assembly i.e. have a larger primer system, order another assembly for small primers. Rather then change out the parts. I believe the assembly is around $75-$80

Once you have both assemblies, caliber changes are pretty fast.

Definitely at least get a second tool head

The XL650 auto indexes, the 550B does not, the XL650 has a 5th station for a powder check

Cowboy T
09-15-2010, 8:12 PM
None of that matters if his budget doesn't let him afford the press, everyone. We still don't know if that $500 is his total reloading budget or just for the press.

Rangda
09-15-2010, 10:22 PM
So far no one mention about Lee Loadmaster. From what I can see, it comes with everything OP needed and only cost half of OP's budget.

I'm interesting in this topic as well.

Chief-7700
09-15-2010, 10:48 PM
So far no one mention about Lee Loadmaster. From what I can see, it comes with everything OP needed and only cost half of OP's budget.

I'm interesting in this topic as well.

See post #7 the OP decided to go with the Dillon XL-650.

I'm sure the LEE makes some good equipment.

at_liberty
09-16-2010, 5:43 AM
That is around one minute to switch out four parts. The RL-550b has an optional carefeeder for it also.

My gunsmith, who owns and runs both 550 and 650, I recall said 5 minutes for the 550 and 15 minutes for the 650. At the same time, I often read about issues with changing over the 650 and also about dedicating a 650 to one caliber, never changing the setup. What should I draw from that? That doesn't sound like much time, but I know from my own limited experience that I would almost rather have a root canal than change a setup that is dialed in perfectly, while remembering what it took to get there.

Table Rock Arms
09-16-2010, 10:51 AM
The case feeder, which is likely included with the 650, would be a factor, right?

Case feeder is not included with the 650.

at_liberty
09-16-2010, 1:34 PM
Case feeder is not included with the 650.

The point is that a case feeder IS typically present with a 650 and would be involved with setup changeover time. Although a case feeder is now available for a 550B, it is not typically present and part of the context of a changeover.

Malthusian
09-16-2010, 3:45 PM
My gunsmith, who owns and runs both 550 and 650, I recall said 5 minutes for the 550 and 15 minutes for the 650. At the same time, I often read about issues with changing over the 650 and also about dedicating a 650 to one caliber, never changing the setup. What should I draw from that? That doesn't sound like much time, but I know from my own limited experience that I would almost rather have a root canal than change a setup that is dialed in perfectly, while remembering what it took to get there.


If you have separate tool heads ( about $25 each ) you can save yourself a root canal each time

You always check the powder each time you use the press, so adjusting the powder measure is not that big a deal
If you have a particular chronograph-ed load, then a separate powder measure is advisable to stay with that tool head setup

fullspeed1
09-16-2010, 4:44 PM
Watch the videos of the 550B
Then watch the videos of the XL650

Not sure why the 550B is so popular. For a little more the XL650 makes my life easier
by far

The 550 is simple, less expensive(conversion kits, etc..), And being able to crank out between 400-500rds/hour is plenty fast. I take my time with my setup anyways and don't need the case feeder. Also the manual indexing of the 550 makes it easier to correct mistakes.

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr250/fullspeed1/IMG00010-20100727-2151.jpg