View Full Version : Did the Oakland police get shot with an "assault weapon" ?
tboyer
03-24-2009, 12:05 PM
Did the Oakland police get shot with an "assault weapon" ?
http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/oakland-police-shooting/ci_11978822
http://tinyurl.com/dnapvx
“But the ex-con wasn't done. He ran around the corner to his sister's apartment and waited — SKS military assault rifle ready — for the officers he knew would come after him. “
Well, well, well, it looks like it may not have been an "assault weapon", after all, as defined in the Clinton
AWB or the California Ban.
paul0660
03-24-2009, 12:10 PM
That is the first I heard of an SKS......they were still yakking about AK47 on the radio this morning.
jamesob
03-24-2009, 12:15 PM
the mwdia said it was an ak47 o my god will they recant that? no.
bwiese
03-24-2009, 12:19 PM
There's been repeated confusion between AKs and SKSes in the media for the last decade.
If it's reported as an AK, there's a reasonable chance it's an SKS.
If it's reported as an SKS, I'd bet it's likely an SKS.
We won't have reliable details on features/model/detachable magazine however.
aileron
03-24-2009, 12:25 PM
double tap Bwiese. ;)
pacifico
03-24-2009, 12:26 PM
I've heard AK-47 until now. Chip Johnson at the SF Chron wrote a column about the need for a new AWB based on this "fact."
I wouldn't be surprised if it were indeed an SKS.
5hundo
03-24-2009, 12:31 PM
Has there been any published source that has yet to describe how he obtained this rifle?
CSACANNONEER
03-24-2009, 12:33 PM
double tap Bwiese. ;)
It can happen with a dirty SKS:43:.
pacifico
03-24-2009, 12:44 PM
"Oakland officers' slayings reignite gun control debate"
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_11980688
With comments from Chuck Michel.
halifax
03-24-2009, 12:47 PM
Has there been any published source that has yet to describe how he obtained this rifle?
...or how he kept it without any family members knowing he had it?
Liberty1
03-24-2009, 01:08 PM
"Oakland officers' slayings reignite gun control debate"
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_11980688
With comments from Chuck Michel.
They gave CM lots of print space. Good on MN!
But Chuck Michel, a civil rights attorney representing the California Rifle and Pistol Association, said such talk is "political opportunism at its worst," in furtherance of flawed public policy.
"That this criminal who was prohibited from having guns at all was able to get whatever rifle he had "... is a monument to the failure of gun-control laws," Michel said. "There's at least a half a dozen laws I can think of "... that this guy (Mixon) broke. So Don Perata's solution is let's throw another law on top of the pile and call it a day? The legacy of California's assault weapons law is inadvertent violations and no effect on crime."...
But Michel said California's assault-weapon ban has been in place for almost 20 years, "so obviously that didn't work. As we keep passing laws to make us feel good and give us a false sense of security, we're really not addressing some of the underlying problems that gangs and drugs and violent felon criminals present society. Politicians can pass things that get their names in the papers, but in the meantime, the scene on the streets that police officers face doesn't change."
"The bottom line is: You can ban all the guns you want but the bans don't work, and even if they stopped someone from getting one type of a gun, the bad guy will get a different type of gun," he said. "Any firearm in the wrong hands is a powerful weapon and I want to do anything we can to keep these out of the hands of criminals. There are already laws on the books to prevent that, and now we have to enforce them."
yellowfin
03-24-2009, 01:14 PM
If they were shot by a muzzleloader, would the antis feel any better? How about if they were strangled with banjoy strings? Or clubbed over the head with an organic rutabega?
THEY'RE DEAD, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW.
xLusi0n
03-24-2009, 02:06 PM
Did anyone see the news report about Australian Biker Gangs fighting at an airport in Australia. Someone was killed with a metal pole. There might be talks about banning metal poles.
mls343
03-24-2009, 02:45 PM
According to KGO Radio, the shooter was using a SKS and not a AK. If true, good thing he did not use an "Assault weapon."
Boy, the media really is clueless.
MP301
03-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Points to Chuck Michel for his response. Thats about as good as it gets when something like this happens...and wow, someone printed some common sense stuff lie this? Wonders never cease!
Seesm
03-24-2009, 03:24 PM
A golf club if your being "assaulted" is a "Assualt Weapaon" NO?
The media loves THAT word... I drives me banana's AHhhhh Btw here here Chuck Michel.
JayRuff
03-24-2009, 03:24 PM
I still don't understand, why should it matter what gun he used, the point is, he was not legally permitted to have any type of firearm, I just see it as this, the media and the anti-gunnies orgasm every time a new shooting occurs which actually a criminal is responsible for not a law-abiding citizen, so that they have more ammo to call for gun control
cousinkix1953
03-24-2009, 08:01 PM
OK; let's talk about crime infested sanctuary cities like Oakland! The police do not call ICE; when illegal aliens are arrested with illegal guns. The Brady Bunch openly supports corrupt politicians (Gavin Newsom etc) who are afraid to enforce a 40+ year old federal gun control law.
Assault weapons have been illegal for 20 years! Private party handgun sales (off the books) were outlawed in 1992. Nobody has demaned that the guy; who sold these guns to a convicted felon be prosecuted for violating more gun laws. The punk who sold his Tech-9 to those Columbine killers was sent to prison in Colorado. It's time for attorney general Moonbeam to get on with the show in Kommiefornia.
An assault weapon is anything that somebody attacks you with in anger. Those may include, but aren't limited to just ugly firearms! Most of the murders in Santa Cruz county are committed by gang bangers with knives. One drunk beat another to death with an empty wine bottle in Watsonville. A homeless man killed one of his fellow travelers with a shovel handle in the city a couple of years ago. Still another pulverized somebody's skull with a folding steel chair. That's three dead people, who were murdered in a Three Stooges comedy skit run-a-mok...
jdberger
03-24-2009, 08:09 PM
It's time for attorney general Moonbeam to get on with the show in Kommiefornia...
You know not what you're talking about.
Attorney General "Moonbeam" isn't the liberal hippie you think he is. After the decision in Heller, he stated in a radio interview that "..of course the Second Amendment is an individual right...".
He's definitely NOT on their side which puts him, mostly, on our side.
kakpataka
03-24-2009, 08:10 PM
I think channel 3 news said Ak47 as well.
jdberger
03-24-2009, 08:14 PM
...or how he kept it without any family members knowing he had it?
Well, he was a good kid, you know?
I mean, a little conviction for ADW, a stint in Corcoran, 2 parole violations and a Juvi rap sheet that looked like a ticker-tape aside...
Well. His sister said that he wasn't a monster...
I wonder if she knew the 12 year old that he raped?
cousinkix1953
03-24-2009, 08:16 PM
College educated idiot reporters were shocked that a 123 grain 7.62mm bullet can go through a wall in an apartment building. The SKS is an all powerful weapon. Just never mind that an old .30/06 caliber hunting rifle can drive an even bigger bullet through two walls and lodge in a third one. That's what happened; when somebody tried to asassinate a Teamster's Union official in the 1980s. Wanna be that my old Eddystone makes that SKS look like a pea shooter?
RP1911
03-24-2009, 08:20 PM
If it was an AK47, I would suspect their would have been a press conference and it would have been displayed. This may still happen considering the department is grappling with a huge loss right now.
If it was an SKS, it could still be an CAW if it had a 30-round detachable mag on it.
wilit
03-24-2009, 08:38 PM
According to KGO Radio, the shooter was using a SKS and not a AK. If true, good thing he did not use an "Assault weapon."
Boy, the media really is clueless.
1. As I have an inside track on this story, I can tell you the initial reports from OPD was the shooter was using an AK. Since the media hasn't been given a photo of the weapon yet, they must rely on what the OPD PIO (Police Information Officer) provides them. Blame OPD if it turns out the guy used an SKS because they said it was an AK.
2. An SKS can still be an assault weapon depending on configuration.
"An SKS can still be an assault weapon depending on configuration."
Very true BUT if it was in the fixed, 10 round magazine configuration, it flies in the face of the BS term "assault rifle." I won't hold my breath for any clarification or retractions.
I tried to explain this entire point to my father in law and he couldn't even see why the misrepresentation was a big deal. "The average reader doesn't care about such a distinction." I replied that "the average reader is a voter who is being lied to by the media about everything to push an agenda."
Went no where : (
wilit
03-24-2009, 08:55 PM
Dude, even cops don't know the difference between an SKS and AK. Read this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=54637
I tried to explain this entire point to my father in law and he couldn't even see why the misrepresentation was a big deal. "The average reader doesn't care about such a distinction." I replied that "the average reader is a voter who is being lied to by the media about everything to push an agenda."
Went no where : (
Perhaps you should tell your father in law that they just printed his name as the bad guy. After all, the average reader doesn't care about such distinctions....
Gator Monroe
03-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Both the AK/AKM family and the SKS variants all shoot an intermediate round !
yellowfin
03-24-2009, 10:29 PM
I think channel 3 news said Ak47 as well. It's the only word they know for a firearm that isn't a pistol. It's like the N-word to them to describe anyone who doesn't look caucasian.
TRICKSTER
03-24-2009, 10:29 PM
College educated idiot reporters were shocked that a 123 grain 7.62mm bullet can go through a wall in an apartment building. The SKS is an all powerful weapon. Just never mind that an old .30/06 caliber hunting rifle can drive an even bigger bullet through two walls and lodge in a third one. That's what happened; when somebody tried to asassinate a Teamster's Union official in the 1980s. Wanna be that my old Eddystone makes that SKS look like a pea shooter?
Eddystone / 30-06? Don't you mean your military sniper rifle? :eek:
jdberger
03-24-2009, 10:38 PM
Eddystone / 30-06? Don't you mean your military sniper rifle? :eek:
Err...High Powered military sniper rifle.....
you...
are ...
next....
Knight
03-24-2009, 10:42 PM
Dude, even cops don't know the difference between an SKS and AK. Read this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=54637
So did you end up marrying her?
tortoisethunder
03-24-2009, 10:45 PM
Why do we continue to blame the weapon or tool? A weapon/tool is an extension of one self. A weapon/tool (gun, bow/arrow, slingshot, axe, hammer, bottle, etc.) is only as good or bad as the holder/possesor makes of it.
By the way humans are tool makers, always have and always will be. This is what sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. We do not have claws, fangs, or poisions. We are not that strong or fast, we do not have exceptional hearing or sight, we survived through the years because of our understanding of fire and our incredible tools...some are weapons. By the way the computer we are using right now is an example of our incredible tool making capablities.
I wish we understood ourselves better and stop blaming "guns" as bad...they are just tools, incredible ones at that.
Meplat
03-25-2009, 05:10 AM
You know not what you're talking about.
Attorney General "Moonbeam" isn't the liberal hippie you think he is. After the decision in Heller, he stated in a radio interview that "..of course the Second Amendment is an individual right...".
He's definitely NOT on their side which puts him, mostly, on our side.
Moonbeam has grown up a lot. His opinions are all over the map now. He has turned into a bit of an odd duck. But a somewhat likable odd duck. He is talking felon control more than gun control in the wake of this tragedy. :thumbsup:
BTW, when he was governor I had a "California has Brown rot" bumper sticker.
Meplat
03-25-2009, 05:16 AM
College educated idiot reporters were shocked that a 123 grain 7.62mm bullet can go through a wall in an apartment building. The SKS is an all powerful weapon. Just never mind that an old .30/06 caliber hunting rifle can drive an even bigger bullet through two walls and lodge in a third one. That's what happened; when somebody tried to asassinate a Teamster's Union official in the 1980s. Wanna be that my old Eddystone makes that SKS look like a pea shooter?
Those must have been pretty stout walls and / or the -06 hit more than one stud.:43:
An SKS can still be an assault weapon depending on configuration.
So can a Walther P22 which fires a .22 LR and is just a little bigger than a can of soda.
Those must have been pretty stout walls and / or the -06 hit more than one stud.:43:
Ha ha ha. I watched my house get built. Styrofoam wrapped in chicken wire and Tyvek with a thin spread of stucco.
I bet a .22 would go through it, in one side and out the other.
rrr70
03-25-2009, 06:35 AM
KTVU talking had just said "an SKS asault rifle which is illegal in Kalifornia". What an idiots.
leelaw
03-25-2009, 09:16 AM
I've heard that it was an SKS.
Of course those could still be made CA-illegal (detachable magazine) and thus an assault weapon, but I haven't heard anything down to that level of detail.
gunsmith
03-25-2009, 02:03 PM
it seems like most folks are more outraged by his rapes, after that the cop killings, the weapon used seems to be third in concern.
MontClaire
03-25-2009, 02:09 PM
it shouldn't matter because he was a criminal which is clear and noone denying. criminals always will have illegal guns. why would he use a weapon in his own name and put a bullet button on it? no sense. it matters when a law obiding citizen protects his life and family with a california legal rifle modified with so called assault features. then it's bad for the rest of us. what the matter if the criminal used a bazooka? that is still illegal ( in CA at least ):thumbsup:
pnkssbtz
03-25-2009, 04:20 PM
It was a SKS from the info my sources gave me. (They didn't realize the way I asked questions).
The firearm was not fully automatic, and was an ak style rifle ergo, SKS or saiga. It would also be considered an "assault weapon" due to the detachable full-capacity magazine.
rrr70
03-25-2009, 04:24 PM
How dare was he using illegaly configured assault weapon.
Centurion_D
03-25-2009, 04:28 PM
Have they determined exactly where this POS got the guns from? Not that it really matters to the media.
rrr70
03-25-2009, 04:55 PM
Have they determined exactly where this POS got the guns from? Not that it really matters to the media.
If SKS was in his sister's apartment shouldn't she be charged for storing gun for a felon?
how could he have used an illegal gun? thats against the law!
Nullzero
03-25-2009, 05:36 PM
According to KGO Radio, the shooter was using a SKS and not a AK. If true, good thing he did not use an "Assault weapon."
Boy, the media really is clueless.
This is not a good thing. If he used a already banned configuration it would keep the idiots from trying to add more bs to the legislation. Now they can add SKS and M1A to the list of soon to be banned guns in CA.
Here is a link to the mercury news about the renewed debate about gun control... great :(. I am crossing my fingers we do not see a news headline like this "Thug takes bolt action rifle (mosin nagant) and kills 6 police officers." Then we would hear crap like stop the cash and carry relic rifles and probably try to ban anything that fires a + .30 cal round.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_11980688
Nullzero
03-25-2009, 05:43 PM
how could he have used an illegal gun? thats against the law!
Watch this one closely guys... If this is a cash and carry relic SKS he bought here or in another state then had the stock changed out... it will hit us hard over here with the push for new laws from the LEOs cracking down on cash and carry, OLL builds, and buying stocks and other gun accessories.
I know the SKS and the M1A are some of the most popular semi rifle setups calgunners like.
stormy_clothing
03-25-2009, 08:21 PM
they "flow" from the video game universe !!!!
Oakland, FTW!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWInLk5X02E
Here is a link to the mercury news about the renewed debate about gun control... great :(. I am crossing my fingers we do not see a news headline like this "Thug takes bolt action rifle (mosin nagant) and kills 6 police officers." Then we would hear crap like stop the cash and carry relic rifles and probably try to ban anything that fires a + .30 cal round.
JFK was killed with a 6.5 Carcano, but I think that time they went after mail-order instead of C&R bolt-actions. :chris:
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