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SgtDinosaur
03-24-2009, 09:41 AM
I was waiting for this one. Too bad I usually like what this guy has to say in his column.

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/johnson/

Police deaths give leverage to toughen gun laws
Chip Johnson

Tuesday, March 24, 2009


If history repeats itself, the fatal shootings of four Oakland police officers on Saturday afternoon will become the next benchmark in the national debate on a federal law to ban assault weapons.

If there is a grain of hope to be gathered from a loss so tragic, it's that last weekend's horrific events will help end the debate on an unresolved policy issue that has resulted in thousands of deaths and helped sustain veritable demilitarized zones in some of our nation's largest cities.

In Oakland, a city already struggling with high crime and gun violence, the deaths of two officers gunned down with an AK-47 qualify city officials to lend their voices to any national debate on the issue.

While the tragedy in Oakland lacks the scale of the shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Columbine High School nearly a decade ago, the deaths of four officers in a single incident is a significant event that sends shock waves across the nation.

The use of the deadly weapons - which can fire hundreds of rounds per minute - has become an all-too-familiar feature in the gun violence being played out.

Frank Rose, a community activist who chairs two citizens advisory committees in his East Oakland neighborhood, witnessed the results of such an attack no more than two weeks ago.

Rose watched in utter disbelief as a car drove to the front door of the Oakland Police Department substation at the Eastmont Mall as he sat outside waiting to attend a community meeting.

"The driver jumped out of the car, and the passenger just kinda fell out and crawled around the side of the car," he said.

The driver pounded on the front door until a police officer answered. He immediately came out to help the wounded man.

When Rose stepped from his car to take a closer look, he saw a body motionless in the backseat - and matching bullet holes on both sides of the vehicle.

"How in the world did this happen?" Rose, 70, later asked an officer.

"The guns they got on the street now, Frank, you wouldn't believe it," the officer replied.

Oakland City Council President Jane Brunner said she will seek support from colleagues to pass a resolution calling for federal assistance in finding ways to remove the deadly weapons that leave officers outgunned.

"We don't want officers facing guns they cannot protect themselves from," Brunner said.

Former state Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who wrote a state law in 1999 that banned sale of the weapons, said President Obama's case to seek a federal ban on a wide array of automatic weapons is only strengthened when they are misused in such horrific ways.

"Maybe this will be enough to rally the California delegation to ask the federal government for help," Perata said. He cautioned that gun control laws remain a hot-button issue in suburban enclaves and rural communities in California and across the nation.

"With a Democratic administration and Congress, there is little political threat, and who knows when we're going to have an opportunity like this again?" he said.

For Perata, it's a question that was asked and answered in his mind more than 20 years ago when he proposed similar legislation as an Alameda supervisor.

"There is a big difference between taking someone's handgun away and taking away an AK-47," Perata said. "They didn't want to ban .50-caliber guns either, but these are weapons of war with no application in civilian life."

In anticipation of the new White House administration's tough stance on assault weapons, gun dealers, advocates and manufacturers reported significant sales increases in handguns, rifles and ammunition soon after Obama's election.

In the Washington office of U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a spokesman said the California Democrat had received many calls about the shooting in Oakland. Feinstein helped craft legislation that banned the sale of assault weapons, but that ban ended in 2004.

Callers have encouraged Feinstein to sponsor tough new anti-gun laws, said Gil Duran, a press spokesman. But, he said, Feinstein believes it's appropriate to honor the families' mourning period before she proposes new gun legislation.

"Right now she is mourning with them," Duran said of the officers' family members.

As we wait to see what Feinstein does, Brunner has taken a good first step in asking her colleagues to help pass a resolution to call for stricter gun laws.

Oakland, its residents and leaders would be remiss if they did not use their voice and experience to pressure federal legislators for more gun regulation.

Chip Johnson's column appears on Tuesdays and Fridays. E-mail him at chjohnson@sfchronicle.com.

This article appeared on page B - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

pneutin
03-24-2009, 09:53 AM
It doesn't even sound like they realize California already has an AWB, and that automatic weapons have been heavily restricted since 1934.

Canute
03-24-2009, 10:13 AM
I've thrown my hat in the ring with letters to all of my state and national representatives:
While I am sad to see the tragedy that took place last weekend in Oakland that cost the lives of four police officers, I fail to see why this should cause a further erosion of our rights.
For one, this is a man who should have been in prison. Why was he running free?
Second, this would seem to prove that prohibitions fail. We've tried them before with alcohol and drugs but criminals will get what they want. As long as anyone has guns, including the police and military, they will be stolen or blackmarketed from over seas, such as is happening right now in Mexico. Law abiding citizens might not have them, but roaming thugs will. Forbidding law abiding citizens from having them will only make us vulnerable.
England and Australia have made an attempt at almost complete gun prohibition, causing rising crime in those nations.
For another, this was a rare event. Like the Patriot Act et al have done, we should not allow a rare tragedy dilute who we are as a nation. A great nation of free people.

Outlaw Josey Wales
03-24-2009, 10:27 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/johnson/

If history repeats itself, the fatal shootings of four Oakland police officers on Saturday afternoon will become the next benchmark in the national debate on a federal law to ban assault weapons.

"Maybe this will be enough to rally the California delegation to ask the federal government for help," Perata said. He cautioned that gun control laws remain a hot-button issue in suburban enclaves and rural communities in California and across the nation.

"With a Democratic administration and Congress, there is little political threat, and who knows when we're going to have an opportunity like this again?" he said.



The real tragedy is that politicians see this as just another "opportunity" to further their agenda. :mad:

JayRuff
03-24-2009, 03:15 PM
omg, give me a f-ing break, it shouldn't matter what gun that peace of sh#t used, IT WAS OBTAINED ILLEGALLY!, even tho it was not an assault rifle, it's funny how fast these people are ready to toughen gun laws when a scumbag like this commits a crime and OUR rights are on the line.

MP301
03-24-2009, 09:22 PM
"With a Democratic administration and Congress, there is little political threat, and who knows when we're going to have an opportunity like this again?" he said.

Un-Freaking-beleivable! An opportunity? Four people are killed and this guy sees it as an opportunity? I wish there was a place that we could send people like this where the constitution and the bill of rights didnt apply and let them see first hand how things really work....Makes you want to scream!

berto
03-24-2009, 09:37 PM
I felt the same way. The guy usually hits the nail on the head as far as what's right and wrong with Oakland's leadership. Too bad he buys into the 'assault' weapon nonsense shoveled by clowns like Perata.

RP1911
03-24-2009, 09:39 PM
One would wonder how the shooting would have played out if CCW was the norm. I could just see someone taking out the pos on his way to his sister's house.

10fcp
03-24-2009, 09:56 PM
Start sending your disaproval emails to the SF Gate and all your rep's. We all know their mentality, they will run on this rediculous incident as long as they can to fulfill their agenda. Of coarse we all know the prison and parole system can't be blamed. This a..hole got killed but how many more like him are out and running on our streets.

JayRuff
03-25-2009, 12:22 AM
''The use of the deadly weapons - which can fire hundreds of rounds per minute''

I did not realize that the sks the criminal used was fully automatic

"The guns they got on the street now, Frank, you wouldn't believe it,"

what guns

"We don't want officers facing guns they cannot protect themselves from,"

and we don't want to face criminals we cannot protect ourselves from

eijjie33
03-25-2009, 01:04 AM
i think they should give excon a longer prison term when caught with a firearm than the usual sentence.

tyrist
03-25-2009, 01:18 AM
I think the larger issue is how can an obviously violent and dangerous human being be cleared to be back on the street from prison and under such little supervision.

nicki
03-25-2009, 05:14 AM
The killing of 4 police officers demands we do something so that their deaths are honored.



Yet the proposal we get from our talking heads is lets re enact the Assault Weapon Prohibition.



This brings up the question, what if we actually did succeed in not only banning semi auto firearms, but let's say we also collected all the arms owned by private citizens, would we be safer?



We would if we could prevent the illegal importation of real full automatic assault weapons from the international black market where the going price of a full auto AK47 is about 100 USD and/or controll the sales of all machine equipment to prevent illegal gun factories from popping up, kinda like all the "meth labs" and "indoor pot gardens" across the country.



While I understand the urge to ban so called "Assault Weapons", the end result would create another market opporutnity for criminal opportunists, just like the drug prohibition has with pot, meth, crack, heroin, cocaine etc, etc



Perhaps if we spend more effort on the real societal problems that fuel drug addiction and violence, we could really reduce violent crime and avoid creating people who are so desperate that they become involved in criminal activities that preceded the tragedy that took the lives of four officers.



The first and second amendment are tied together. The first amendment gives us the right to control our government peacefully, the second amendment was put in the bill of rights so that if our government got out of control just like the English King had, that the American people would have the ablity to remove a corrupt government by force.



A revolutionary concept put in the constitution by men who just won their revolution.



Nicki

Untamed1972
03-25-2009, 09:43 AM
"Former state Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who wrote a state law in 1999 that banned sale of the weapons, said President Obama's case to seek a federal ban on a wide array of automatic weapons is only strengthened when they are misused in such horrific ways."

Last I checked automatics weapons have been highly regulated since the days of Al Capone. If a gangbanger has one....he didn't get it legally so passing more laws won't make a damn bit of difference.

When will lawmakers realize that you cannot legislatively force people to be law-abiding citizens. Those who break the law now will continue to do so regardless of what laws are passed.

stormy_clothing
03-25-2009, 11:03 AM
I tried emailing him this, it bounced


Why State Legislatures Should Reject Semi-Automatic and Pump-Action Gun Bans

In the late 1980s, gun control supporters invented the slang term, “assault weapon,” to refer to semi-automatic firearms that look like modern military rifles. Since then, they have tried to ban virtually all semi-automatic and pump-action firearms as “assault weapons.” “Assault weapon” bans should be rejected because:

So-called “assault weapons” have never been used in more than 1%-2% of violent crimes reported by police and imprisoned felons,1 and in 0.25% of violent crimes reported by crime victims.2 Congress’ study found that the guns were used in “a modest fraction of all gun murders.”3 Knives, clubs and bare hands are used in about 22 times more murders.4

Guns don’t cause crime. There are more guns than ever, and the number rises by 4½ million a year.5 Meanwhile, the nation’s violent crime rate has fallen 38% since 1991.6 The FBI does not list guns or “gun control” as a “crime factor.”7 The CDC and Library of Congress report that there is no evidence that “gun control” reduces crime.8

Gun bans don’t reduce crime. After its 1989 “assault weapon” ban, California’s murder rate increased every year for five years, 26% overall. California banned more guns as of January 2000 and murder has since increased 13%, while it is unchanged in the rest of the country.9 Even the radical anti-gun group, Violence Policy Center, says, “You can’t argue with a straight face that the [federal] ban has been effective.”10

Gun bans can’t reduce crime. Guns are used in only ¼ of violent crimes reported to police, and in only 7% of those reported in victim surveys.11 Criminals can always get guns, and commit crimes with virtually any gun.

Millions of Americans use semi-autos and pump-actions for hunting and target shooting that would be banned under federal and/or state “assault weapon” bills.12 For example, the Remington Models 7400 and 7600, and Browning BAR are popular deer rifles. Remington’s Model 1100 and Beretta’s Model 391 shotguns are widely used for hunting and sport shooting. The Colt AR-15 and Springfield M1A are the nation’s most popular rifles for marksmanship competitions. Ruger Ranch Rifles and 10/22s are popular hunting and plinking rifles.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says it can “in no way vouch for the validity”13 of Brady Campaign’s claim14 that the federal “assault weapon” law reduced crime. Brady mischaracterized BATFE’s firearm chain-of-commerce traces, which the Congressional Research Service says “are not accurate indicators” of criminal gun use.15 Most guns that are traced have not been used to commit violent crimes, and most guns used to commit violent crimes are never traced.

FBI reports16 contradict Violence Policy Center’s claim about “assault weapons” and the police.17 FBI incident summaries indicate that the guns are rarely used to kill police officers.

“Gun control” supporters are wrong, in trying to exploit the D.C. “sniper” and Columbine crimes. The gun used in the D.C. crimes, and three of the four guns used in Columbine, were not “assault weapons.” Also, in each of the D.C. crimes only one shot was fired, and in Columbine the killers fired slowly, moving casually between victims. The guns used in these crimes had no bearing on their outcomes.

Semi-automatics are not machine guns. Machine guns, which fire continously as long as the trigger is depressed, are regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934. By comparison, semi-automatics, like other guns, fire only one shot at a time.

Semi-automatics are not “more powerful” than other guns. Semi-auto rifles and shotguns use the same ammunition as other guns. Semi-auto pistols use ammunition comparable to, but shaped differently than, revolver ammunition. The AK-47, which anti-gun groups call “high powered,” is less powerful than the modestly-powered .30-30 Winchester, the most popular deer rifle in American history.

“Pistol grips” have nothing to do with how a gun fires. Claims that “pistol grips” are designed for “spray-firing from the hip” are nonsense. No gun is designed to be held at “the hip,” and the shape of a grip has nothing to do with a gun’s firing mechanism.

AK-47s and Uzis,” constantly mentioned by “gun control” supporters, did not become legal to import when the federal “assault weapon” law expired. As noted by Congress’ study, those guns were prohibited under federal firearm importation law in 1989.

otteray
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
The Santa Cruz Sentinel has gotten into the editorial hysteria, too:

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_11989886

The several responses to the editorial have really been tough on the Sentinel's writer.