CG FUND FOR OPD FAMILIES?

[supersonic]

I haven't seen mention of it, so I thought I'd put it out there. I'm more than willing to make a donation if CalGuns would set up a "charity"-type of program for the OPD officers' families. Already been brought up? If so, *link* please!
-Scott

[bwiese]

While the idea may be appreciated by some I believe this could lead to some radioactivity and bad PR.

Perhaps best to just let it be; unlike many, the fallen OPDers do have some family insurance/benefits for this situation.

[eta34]

Check the OPD website. I am certain they will establish a memorial fund.

Bill, please explain how this would lead to bad PR and radioactivity? Not starting an argument here...just trying to understand what you mean. Thanks.

[bwiese]

Check the OPD website. I am certain they will establish a memorial fund.

Bill, please explain how this would lead to bad PR and radioactivity? Not starting an argument here...just trying to understand what you mean. Thanks.

There were allegations (perhaps incorrect, but you know how news is on gun tech details) that an AW was used. I can see the press headlines: "gun owners agitating for gun ban repeal donate to familes of cop killed by banned gun".

We don't to add need fuel on the fire or cause OLL drama right now.

Tony Ribera (former SFPD Chief) was on TV news saying "no need for assault weapons" etc. and not disambiguating CA ban vs Fed law etc.

[ANDREWMENDEZ]

This was brought up in the original discussion! To be honest, I dont think the families would like a Pro Gun Website's attention right now. Plus, the Department has great insurance for families who loose their loved ones like this! Great Idea though!

[ilbob]

if people want to donate as individuals, no doubt some kind of fund will be set up. my suggestion is don't involve any one else in your personal decision to make or not make a donation.

[supersonic]

if people want to donate as individuals, no doubt some kind of fund will be set up. my suggestion is don't involve any one else in your personal decision to make or not make a donation.

My suggestion would be that any suggestions/criticisms about my OP come from Californians.;)

[bwiese]

My suggestion would be that any suggestions/criticisms about my OP come from Californians.;)

Let's not be hard on ilbob, and he's actually right.

He's not a crap-on-CA poster. IL and CA have common gun politics issues and he understands what we go thru.

Both 'ilbob' here and Lonnie Wilson from WA state are helpful non-CA members here and we should welcome them.

[berto]

I'm sure a fund will be set up by OPD at a local bank. We should all feel free to donate, or not, and leave calguns out of it.

[supersonic]

There were allegations (perhaps incorrect, but you know how news is on gun tech details) that an AW was used. I can see the press headlines: "gun owners agitating for gun ban repeal donate to familes of cop killed by banned gun".

We don't to add need fuel on the fire or cause OLL drama right now.

Tony Ribera (former SFPD Chief) was on TV news saying "no need for assault weapons" etc. and not disambiguating CA ban vs Fed law etc.

You know I respect your opinions, Bill. In fact, I wholeheartedly agree with the points you have made. Being as stubborn as I am, though, I really think that there must be a way to do it without causing any undue "feather-ruffling." If it were done in a way that the recipients had a true understanding as to where the donations were coming from, and that they had heartfelt, deep sympathy from a group of individuals that includes law enforcement / families of LE / proponents of LE / military, etc. The only hurdle I see is how to do it. Maybe our LEO members could chime in with their thoughts.:confused:

BTW: No matter how much help the families are getting from the above named sources, these men are never coming home again. Being there is no "amount" of help that will change that, I disagree that their insurance policies will be "sufficient." However, I do believe that the more outpouring of help from a whole lot more people can only be good. God knows, when someone's life takes a dump on them -even though said "dump" can not just be "cleaned up" - knowing good people have your back and really empathize does make a difference.

[supersonic]

You know what? Maybe this was a bad idea all around. Mods feel free to wipe thread.

[jnojr]

You know I respect your opinions, Bill. In fact, I wholeheartedly agree with the points you have made. Being as stubborn as I am, though, I really think that there must be a way to do it without causing any undue "feather-ruffling."

There is.

Call Oakland PD, tell them you'd like to make a donation. I'm sure they'll be able to give you the info necessary.

CGF is supposed to be a Second Amendment defense fund, not a general do-good fund. If they donate to the fallen OPD officers today, what worthy cause should they help tomorrow? Clubbed baby seals? AIDS in Africa? Global warming?

We have enough sizable issues for them to deal with even staying strictly focused on California gun issues. Maybe after we get Nordyke passed, Heller incorporated, a repeal of the AWB, shall-issue CCW, the "drop test" eliminated, standard capacity magazines back, etc. then maybe we can think about the Cause Of The Week.

[yellowfin]

If baby seals want to go to clubs and can get around the age requirement, I'm all for it.

[jnojr]

If baby seals want to go to clubs and can get around the age requirement, I'm all for it.

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[Colt]

OPD Web site is pathetic - nothing there yet. Here's phone number: (510) 777-3333. Someone there must know something about funds being set up for the four families...

[Meplat]

You know what? Maybe this was a bad idea all around. Mods feel free to wipe thread.

Yep, it was, you are either going look like you are trying to atone for your guilt, or capitalize on tragedy. I recommend we give quietly and privately.

[otteray]

Fund info:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=165777
http://www.opoa.org/

[artherd]

Sad as this is - dealing with it directly is not in CGF's charter. (and could create political charge in a situation that does not call for it.)

I recommend we give personally, and privately.

RIP.

[tenpercentfirearms]

No one is saying you can't give. We are just saying it wouldn't be appropriate for the Calguns Foundation to give.

I run into this as a member of the Friends of the NRA. These guys in wheelchairs want money to build better access to their fishing pond. It might be a worthy cause, but not a cause I signed up for for the National RIFLE Association. So we vote it down and some of them get their feathers ruffled. Sorry, go to a fisherman's association if you want to do your handicapped fishing dock.

Again, you can donate all you want through more appropriate venues. Thank you for posting a link so now through this thread people will donate if they feel called to do so. Good discussion.

http://www.opoa.org/

[supersonic]

Yep, it was, you are either going look like you are trying to atone for your guilt, or capitalize on tragedy. I recommend we give quietly and privately.
I had clearly admitted that my idea was bad and put an end to it. Looking like "I" am trying to atone for my "GUILT" or "CAPITALIZE ON TRAGEDY??!!!" WTF? I don't know about all that "noise," but YOU coming on here quoting my admission, then addng your little "YEP, it was" seems a bit juvenile, if not uneeded, to say the least. Do you feel better now?....I really hope so.:rolleyes:


Again, you can donate all you want through more appropriate venues. Thank you for posting a link so now through this thread people will donate if they feel called to do so. Good discussion.

http://www.opoa.org/

Thanks, Wes. I think you have probably made the most valid point of what this thread is about (or turned out to be). Bravo.

[jnojr]

I run into this as a member of the Friends of the NRA. These guys in wheelchairs want money to build better access to their fishing pond. It might be a worthy cause, but not a cause I signed up for for the National RIFLE Association. So we vote it down and some of them get their feathers ruffled. Sorry, go to a fisherman's association if you want to do your handicapped fishing dock.

Good for you!

More people need to read Not Yours To Give (http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html)

[nicki]

I would be curios to know more about the parolee, how he got to where he was in the first place.

Perhaps the best thing we could do to honor our fallen heros is to look at how such a monster was created.

If he was created as a result of stupid government policies, then we need to work on changing government policies. Of course that will mean there may have to be hard unpopular choices, but 4 heros just gave their lives.

Of course everyone is responsible for what kind of person they are regardless of outside influences.

Of couse, there are people who are just inherently evil.

Nicki

[slamfire]

I would be curios to know more about the parolee, how he got to where he was in the first place.

Perhaps the best thing we could do to honor our fallen heros is to look at how such a monster was created.

If he was created as a result of stupid government policies, then we need to work on changing government policies. Of course that will mean there may have to be hard unpopular choices, but 4 heros just gave their lives.

Of course everyone is responsible for what kind of person they are regardless of outside influences.

Of couse, there are people who are just inherently evi
Nicki

He raped a 12 year old girl at gun point.Don't know if you heard or not just a heads up.

[eta34]

Here is the info directly from the Oakland Police Officers Association:

Trust funds established thus far are as follows:

Persons wishing to express contributions for the trust funds of fallen officers may do so by two methods: [**Donations not designated specifically will be shared by all four families equally.]

1. Individual Checks made out to families and mailed to:
c/o OPOA
Attn: Rennee Hassna
555 5th Street
Oakland Ca, 94607

Make checks out to the following:

a. “Dunakin Children’s Family Trust”

b. “Romans Children’s Family Trust”

c. “Sakai Family Trust”

d. "OPOA" [for John Hege Trust]
or for additional John Hege options, click here

2. Wire transfers directly to Merrill Lynch Accounts…

a. “Dunakin Children’s Family Trust”
a/c #204-04065

b. “Romans Children’s Family Trust”
a/c #204-04066

c. “Sakai Family Trust”
a/c #204-04064

d. "OPOA" a/c #204-04067

[artherd]

These guys in wheelchairs want money to build better access to their fishing pond. It might be a worthy cause, but not a cause I signed up for for the National RIFLE Association.

You're doin it wrong!

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