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joea
03-21-2009, 11:30 PM
Check out this sweet shotgun.
http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o231/icepic1/super_shorty_870.jpg
Too bad it's not in all black like m24armorer's "little friend".

oop's wrong section!

ke6guj
03-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Yup, many of us know about the Super shorty.

Did you know that you can legally build your own version of one if you jump through a couple hoops in order to get the tax stamp?

And M24 is supposed to have his own version of the Shorty available as well.

technique
03-22-2009, 12:00 PM
Yup, many of us know about the Super shorty.

Did you know that you can legally build your own version of one if you jump through a couple hoops in order to get the tax stamp?

And M24 is supposed to have his own version of the Shorty available as well.

The one M24 built has a breachers grip on it. :thumbsup:

technique
03-22-2009, 12:01 PM
oh....and LMFAO...adjustable chokes...

ke6guj
03-22-2009, 12:15 PM
Well, M24armorer needs to post up some pics and pricing on his new toy.

technique
03-22-2009, 1:09 PM
Well, M24armorer needs to post up some pics and pricing on his new toy.

I have a pic of it around here somewhere....let me see if I can find it!

technique
03-22-2009, 1:25 PM
Not the greatest pic but its all I have.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/M24-870.jpg

mydogsmonkey
03-22-2009, 1:30 PM
how do you build one? and how much? thats freakin cool!
help me!

vinny_land
03-22-2009, 2:14 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82693&highlight=sbs+shotgun+aow

Basically you need a C&R shotgun to build a SBS/AOW and pay the appropriate tax. Or get the paperwork and pay the more expensive tax for an already made one.

ke6guj
03-22-2009, 2:34 PM
Not the greatest pic but its all I have.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/M24-870.jpg
No, thats his Witness protection 870 with a ~12" barrel. John has mentioned that he has a "super shorty" style mossberg with the fold-down grip and an ~8" barrel.

ke6guj
03-22-2009, 2:39 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=82693&highlight=sbs+shotgun+aow

Basically you need a C&R shotgun to build a SBS/AOW and pay the appropriate tax. Or get the paperwork and pay the more expensive tax for an already made one.
Actually, you would need a C&R shotgun for an SBS. But for an AOW, it can be a modern PG-only shotgun.

Regarding the tax, it is $200 to build any NFA firearm. It is also $200 to buy any SBS or SBR. But it only costs $5 to buy an AOW.

vinny_land
03-22-2009, 6:55 PM
^ I stand corrected. :thumbsup: There are so many builds that I want to do but money is an issue. My job doesnt pay as much.

tankerman
03-22-2009, 7:56 PM
Just buy the stamp? DO you have to fill out any other paperwork?

paintballergb
03-22-2009, 9:00 PM
So it this "super shoty" legal to buy in other states without doing a bunch of BS or is it the same?

Guns R Tools
03-22-2009, 9:03 PM
Since the tube is shorter, how many rounds in tube?
Can Knoxx sidewinder installed for more capacity?

ke6guj
03-22-2009, 10:06 PM
Just buy the stamp? DO you have to fill out any other paperwork?You can't just buy the stamp. You have to send in a Form 4 application, http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53204.pdf , to transfer the AOW from the NFA dealer to you. That Form 4 app will require you to submit fingerprints, photo, and sign-off from your Sheriff or CHief of Police.

If you can't get the sign-off, then a trust or corp would be an alternative method, since they don't require the prints, photos, or CLEO sign-off.

So it this "super shoty" legal to buy in other states without doing a bunch of BS or is it the same?Same amount of BS required to purchase an AOW in any other state. Must have an approved Form 4.


Since the tube is shorter, how many rounds in tube?
Can Knoxx sidewinder installed for more capacity?

2 2.75"/3" rounds in the tube. I doubt it on the sidewinder.

MarioS
03-22-2009, 10:23 PM
Jeez...can't imagine how that would feel on your wrists/shoulder firing bigger rounds out of those little things.

SirMikeAlot
04-24-2009, 9:52 AM
Jeez...can't imagine how that would feel on your wrists/shoulder firing bigger rounds out of those little things.

I shot some slugs out of a super shorty (from the hip) and it does indeed kick like a mule. I was expecting it to kick but it still was kinda scary :eek:. It would only be usefull at VERY close distances IMHO. Have to say it was Super Cool. :thumbsup: I actually was somewhat accurate with it . . . at like 5 yards :p lol :p

popndrop
04-26-2009, 9:21 PM
I have no idea what i'd use this for, but I want one regardless. I'm pretty sure that skeet would be out of the question.

trashman
05-03-2009, 4:33 PM
I have no idea what i'd use this for, but I want one regardless. I'm pretty sure that skeet would be out of the question.

Unless by "skeet" you mean "blasting away at a box of clays sitting on the ground" :p

I am really lusting for one of these .. also one of the 14" Remington 870 Police models that pop up from time to time...

--NEill

Hopi
05-03-2009, 5:45 PM
Not the greatest pic but its all I have.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/M24-870.jpg

I like that it retains a higher capacity tube. That is lust in the oven.

ripcurlksm
05-05-2009, 6:13 PM
you can probably fit an extra 1 or 2 shells in there if you use mini shells

http://www.geocities.com/firearmoverload/minish2.jpg

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_12ga_Min.html

brian01tj
05-05-2009, 7:25 PM
If you can't get the sign-off, then a trust or corp would be an alternative method, since they don't require the prints, photos, or CLEO sign-off.

Can someone please explain this to me.

ke6guj
05-05-2009, 7:33 PM
If you have a trust or corporation, the trust/corp can submit the paperwork. Since the trust/corp is not a natural person, it can not be fingerprinted or photographed, and ATF does not require the CLEO to sign off the application.

oaklander offers NFA-specific trust services for us in CA, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=109642

Seesm
05-30-2009, 11:37 PM
Who I.D. do the require if a TRUST is buying it? When you do a FFL tranfer or buy they ask for your name but this is potentially different and who picks it up after the 10 day jail period?

ke6guj
05-31-2009, 11:20 AM
Per federal law, for a trust purchase, the 4473 gets filled out in the name of the person actually picking up the firearm. That applies to both Title I and Title II firearms. The Form 4 would be submitted in the Trust's name, and then when picked up, the 4473 would be filled out in the name of the actual person picking up the firearm.

More info at http://www.atf.gov/firearms/newsletter/1108fflnewsletter.pdf on page 5 and look at the instructions on the 4473, http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/100308f4473_pt1_aug2008-sample-rev.pdf , Section A, Question 1, second paragraph.

Fear
08-20-2009, 9:17 AM
all these laws, and loopholes are giving me a headache.

510shooter510
08-20-2009, 9:45 AM
Please simplify the answer to this question...
If I want to buy an 870 and saw off the barrel, what do I need to do and how much to pay? The previous answers seem so complicated.

ke6guj
08-20-2009, 10:04 AM
that is because anything NFA related is complicated.

Basically you can buy a PG-only 870, File a Form 1 with ATF (with CLEO sign-off if filing as an individual, or without CLEO sign-off if filing as a trust or corporation) to make an AOW. Once it comes back approved, you engrave your name, city, state on the barrel or receiver and cut it down. YOu can never install a shoulder stock on the AOW, otherwise it would be an unregisterd SBS. Go to the AOW/SBS/SBR thread linked in my sig for more info and ask your questions there if you need further help.

evollep3
09-03-2009, 1:01 PM
nice

gozuki
09-03-2009, 8:17 PM
Better

ke6guj
09-03-2009, 8:21 PM
If you are gonna say the KEG-12 is better, you may want to explain why.

Jerry X
10-16-2009, 9:31 PM
If only it were legal. :(

ke6guj
10-16-2009, 9:49 PM
Oh, but it is :D

gozuki
10-17-2009, 2:24 PM
AOWs are much easier to come by here in Ca than a SBR/SBS (must be C&R).

b00gym4n
02-12-2010, 8:47 PM
best HD weapon ever. too bad cali is anal about those things though.

Clayface
02-24-2010, 8:18 PM
Does it double as a back scratcher?

ke6guj
02-24-2010, 8:21 PM
these might be available at a SoCal dealer soon.

Fobanginvtek
03-03-2010, 7:55 PM
SO in order to have one of these super shorty's you have to build it yourself? No way in just buying it? these things look sweet.

ke6guj
03-03-2010, 7:56 PM
There is a SoCal Dealer that may be stocking these shortly. So the buy option may be here shortly. But you can always build your own, with the proper paperwork, of course.

Fobanginvtek
03-03-2010, 8:09 PM
Just seems like so much work, I feel like just buying it saving me all the time. lol

pyromensch
04-04-2010, 7:00 AM
don't know if any of you remeber, but Tubbs, of maiami vice, back in the 80's had a similar looking shotgun, without the folding foregrip. and it shot about 20 rounds without reloading. amazing for that little thing

gunn
04-04-2010, 7:41 AM
Just seems like so much work, I feel like just buying it saving me all the time. lol

IF you want to buy it, you will still need to deal with setting up the trust fund. IMO, this part is the bigger hurdle than throwing the cash down to buy or breaking out the hacksaw+engraver to mechanically modify an existing gun.

One word of warning: if you are serious about this route, I wouldn't go with the recommendations you may see online to use Quicken Willmaker or a "free" trust fund form. Read up on online and you will find out that several people who've gone down this route have had their trusts invalidated.

Personally, this is what's stopping me from getting one put in place (plus the fact that the marginal value of an AOW that still has a fixed mag is not worth -- to me -- the total legal+stamp costs).