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mcsoupman
03-17-2009, 4:34 PM
Ok, so I have the 18 1/2" barrell shotgun for home defense and and bought 24" barrell for it to actaully go try to shoot something beyond 15ft. I now own a pistol for me and the mrs as of today :thumbsup:

Now what? I am covered for close quarters, breakins, zombies, what not, but what about other armed combatants. I pray it never comes to that, but just in case. . .

What is a good rifle type option for me?

eccvets
03-17-2009, 4:51 PM
you want a rifle for self defence?

get a remington 700 so you can snipe those trying to break in to your house at 300-500 yards haha.

ZombieKiller
03-17-2009, 6:18 PM
M1A.....if you can find one.

squishyhead
03-17-2009, 6:23 PM
get a remington 700 so you can snipe those trying to break in to your house at 300-500 yards haha.

I don't think I'd be able to tell if they were going into my house, my neighbors house, or McDonalds at 300-500 yards!

OP- do you just want the rifle for home defense ONLY? If so I'd look into a carbine length AR15 or AR10 if you want the extra stopping power. However, I'd keep the shotgun as my top choice for in home defense over any rifle.

mcsoupman
03-18-2009, 9:23 AM
I appreciate the sarcasm. I am not talking about what I keep under my pillow in case the boogey man comes. I am talking about the next level of safety.

I am concerned about the food riots or whatever else might be on the horizon. What is the option if the doomsday happens and there are now 15 people in my house huddled together and a group of armed thieves advances on our now discovered location. My mossy with slugs is only so effective.

Are the small rifles at Big 5 worth looking into? Is there a simple option? Does it have to be an AR type? Can I have something to double as a hunting rifle? I am not a hunter so I am not looking at the latest greatest take down a grizzly from a mile sort of thing. Is there a common caliber easy to find?

gewgaw
03-18-2009, 9:28 AM
+1 for AR type rifles in the zombie takeover situation -- interchangable parts, easy access to ammo, easy maintenance.

mcsoupman
03-18-2009, 9:30 AM
But what would I expect to pay and build one? Just in my browsing it seems that everyone has lots of questions about building AR types. I don't usually linger to read those threads so I am not sure. Is it a complicated endeavour?

Black Majik
03-18-2009, 9:31 AM
How about slugs? You should be good up to 100 yards and it won't cost you another rifle.

M1A, Saiga, Mini-14, SUx-16CAca and MM AR/AK should all work well for a nice SHTF rifle.

FS00008
03-18-2009, 11:59 AM
SU-16CA, M1A, Saiga, or Mini-14. That way you don't have to worry about a mag lock.

mcsoupman
03-18-2009, 12:06 PM
Yeah, I have some slugs. Maybe need some more JIC. Thanks for the suggestions. Looks like the m1a or ARs are big money rifles. The Saigas I googled seemed reasonable. Can I find them?

Any value to the Big 5 rifles?

Dr Rockso
03-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah, I have some slugs. Maybe need some more JIC. Thanks for the suggestions. Looks like the m1a or ARs are big money rifles. The Saigas I googled seemed reasonable. Can I find them?

Any value to the Big 5 rifles?
Which Big 5 rifle? They'll probably have Ruger Mini-14s and Mini-30s. Not bad guns, but really not significantly better than an SKS which should be cheaper. I'm not sure what other semi-automatic rifles Big 5 might sell, aside from overpriced M1 Carbines (not that you have to go semi-auto, but if it's for defense that's usually preferred).

JDoe
03-18-2009, 12:54 PM
Why not throw in a couple of .22 LR semi-automatic rifles.

For around the same cost as a cheaper pre-Obama AR you can get 2 - .22 LR semi-auto rifles, extra mags AND 10,000 rounds of ammo.

redneckshootist
03-18-2009, 2:04 PM
I don't think I'd be able to tell if they were going into my house, my neighbors house, or McDonalds at 300-500 yards!

just make sure to yell "HE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US" right before you shoot so you can claim self defence:D

Plisk
03-18-2009, 2:11 PM
If your CLEO is cool... a SBR possibly? 10.5" Grendel upper.

Racefiend
03-18-2009, 2:45 PM
Mini 14 would be good in a situation where you have multiple targets coming at you from the front and right. You could shoot the targets in front and take out the targets on the right with the shell casings.

jben
03-18-2009, 3:01 PM
I sometimes find it curious that nobody ever seems to recommend a good lever action. Something like a Marlin 336 in .30-30 or a 1894 in .357mag/.38special or .44mag would serve the stated purpose, be good for hunting and plinking and not break the bank.

SDgarrick
03-18-2009, 3:01 PM
+1 on the .22, they are lethal, can be fired by about anyone and make a great economic training tool in case these riots you speak of ever manifest. What good is feedin 15 people if none of 'em can shoot worth a damn. Really, you can't afford not to have a .22.

ripcurlksm
03-18-2009, 3:20 PM
500 yards is a lot closer than you think

TheBundo
03-18-2009, 11:23 PM
I sometimes find it curious that nobody ever seems to recommend a good lever action. Something like a Marlin 336 in .30-30 or a 1894 in .357mag/.38special or .44mag would serve the stated purpose, be good for hunting and plinking and not break the bank.

I'm with you on the lever-action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2oZ6Kv_qo

mcsoupman
03-19-2009, 12:47 AM
So a .22, a sks, or a sux-16ca. do those sound like my options? The m1a, mini 14s seem to be a little pricier.

Maddog5150
03-19-2009, 1:49 AM
500 yards is a lot closer than you think

500 yards of self defense, especially in most areas in california, is an oxymoron imo.
At what point do you believe your life is in danger? I'm sure the joggers up the street are really coming towards you :rolleyes:
A shotgun would be more than enough in the urban scenario. I like the idea of a lever 44mag but thats because Im just crazy. A mini, kel-tec, mmg m4gery would be the max range.

OP, I just had a conversation today with a guy who wants to take sniper classes with his mossberg 100 and OEM scope. Whatever you do, dont be THAT guy :p

mcsoupman
03-19-2009, 3:35 PM
OP, I just had a conversation today with a guy who wants to take sniper classes with his mossberg 100 and OEM scope. Whatever you do, dont be THAT guy :p

Why? In golf they always say it is the swing, not the club :D

Anything particularily different about the lever action rifles?

ripcurlksm
03-19-2009, 4:03 PM
500 yards of self defense, especially in most areas in california, is an oxymoron imo.

i wasnt implying that, just a distance of 500 yards at the rage is not as far as it might seem in someones head

mcsoupman
03-19-2009, 4:05 PM
And BTW, I currently have subdivided partially developed land over 500 yards clear behind my house. :D

bruceflinch
03-19-2009, 9:59 PM
I'd opt for Mini-14,, then shotgun & then handgun. in that order.

Gator Monroe
03-19-2009, 10:03 PM
SKS !

Maddog5150
03-19-2009, 10:32 PM
Why? In golf they always say it is the swing, not the club :D

That might very well be so but you cant win the indy in a pinto no matter how much money you dump into it :D

i wasnt implying that, just a distance of 500 yards at the rage is not as far as it might seem in someones head

Apology, I misread you post. I do however disagree. 500 yards is a lot farther than people think. At an open ranger thats marked with little to no landmarks it may seem closer but where there are terrain features, range seems to be farther than you think. Example, run 500 yards. Thats really easy. Now run 500 yards in dense forrest. You may not even see 500 yards in that terrain.

mcsoupman
03-20-2009, 1:49 PM
What is the range on the 10/22 versus my 24" shotgun slug? Sorry, I am still learning.

Maddog5150
03-20-2009, 5:12 PM
slugs can be pretty accurate up close but they start to sail randomly the farther you get.I remember taking a couple of benelli tacticool shotguns for Riverside police to check out a few years back and after they demo'd it, they were trying to hit a gong out 150 yards with the M4's rifle sights. needless to say, the rifled slugs were sailing randomly away from the gong.

I can get a pretty tight group with my 10/22 at 100 yards. I sure the M4 and M2 would of done better with higher grade hunting loads than the low velocity LE slugs though.

squishyhead
03-20-2009, 6:24 PM
OP- I think the 10/22 would be perfect for you. So many things about .22LR go unappreciated, especially for the benefits it provides to newbie shooters. First, ammo is REALLY cheap so you can get a lot of practice in that can help you perfect your marksmanship skills. Second, never be fooled by .22's size, it is a lethal round and should be taken very seriously for that single reason. Third, the 10/22 is a nice little semi-auto that won't break the bank but will offer you some repeating fire protection should S ever HTF.

PS- I'd rule out the mini-14. I've shot several, and a quick analysis would be that ruger TRIED to make a minuaturized M1A, and failed miserably. Buying a ranch rifle for what they usually go for just isn't right.