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PutTogether
03-14-2009, 9:32 PM
Ok - I'd like to solicit opinions on an idea I had. I took a box of standard Remington UMC 230 Grain .45 JHP, and used a dremel to cut down the "fins" around the rim of the opening. Below you can see the bullet stock, and then after cuts.

My goal was to make the bullet more likely to expand by removing the copper holding the fins of the bullet together. I plan on testing 50 of these through my my Sig 1911 sometime next week to see if they feed. IF they do feed..... do you think the modification will have any good or bad effect on the wounding characteristics of the bullet? Do you think this was a waste of time?

http://criminalhandbook.com/bullet/b%201.jpg
http://criminalhandbook.com/bullet/b%202.jpg
http://criminalhandbook.com/bullet/b%203.jpg
http://criminalhandbook.com/bullet/b%204.jpg
http://criminalhandbook.com/bullet/b%205.jpg

what2be
03-14-2009, 9:37 PM
Ok - I'd like to solicit opinions on an idea I had. I took a box of standard Remington UMC 230 Grain .45 JHP, and used a dremel to cut down the "fins" around the rim of the opening. Below you can see the bullet stock, and then after cuts.

My goal was to make the bullet more likely to expand by removing the copper holding the fins of the bullet together. I plan on testing 50 of these through my my Sig 1911 sometime next week to see if they feed. IF they do feed..... do you think the modification will have any good or bad effect on the wounding characteristics of the bullet? Do you think this was a waste of time?



I think ammo mfg's spend 100's of thousands of dollars researching bullet design/shape, etc.

I would be very suprised if they didnt allready test many different groove cuts just like you performed. Id say what they make is allready the most efficient

savageevo
03-14-2009, 9:46 PM
I would be very careful doing that, In fact I don't think I would do that at all considering dremeling causes heat. I wouldn't want a bullet going bang just to save a few dollars, just get the real thing.

TheBundo
03-14-2009, 9:46 PM
If you had fun, it wasn't a waste of time

paintballergb
03-14-2009, 9:50 PM
Looks cool but sounds way too dangerous.

Splinter
03-14-2009, 9:57 PM
It wont blow up doing that, but im thinking it would deffinitly hurt accuracy. Also would cause less expansion because the pocket is what makes it expand.

CABilly
03-14-2009, 10:00 PM
I hope it's not FUD, but I've heard it mentioned around here that it's best to use unmolested factory ammo for SD/HD purposes. Something about protecting yourself from lawsuits. Maybe a search around would help, but I'm just throwing it out there.

:TFH:

.22guy
03-14-2009, 10:05 PM
I hope it's not FUD, but I've heard it mentioned around here that it's best to use unmolested factory ammo for SD/HD purposes. Something about protecting yourself from lawsuits. Maybe a search around would help, but I'm just throwing it out there.

:TFH:

There is a lot of opinions on this, but I personally would not want a lawyer in my face asking why I shot innocent John Q. Gangbanger with self-modified bullets designed to inflict maximum death and carnage....

Prowler
03-14-2009, 10:05 PM
I would think that it would affect accuracy because the cuts made by the Dremel weren't equally distibuted and will be slightly out of balance. I'm sure you had fun, however I would believe that the manufacturer has better results.

nick
03-14-2009, 10:09 PM
I wonder what feeding would be like. You might end up creating a round that wouldn't feed reliably.

aceventura
03-14-2009, 10:12 PM
I think that after a SD/HD incident both gun and ammo is collected as evidence. Once you modify gun/ammo i think someone is going to ask why?

ricknadine1111
03-14-2009, 10:22 PM
fill them with liquid mercury and cap with hot wax or plastic.

PutTogether
03-14-2009, 10:22 PM
I definitely had fun. Tough to explain, but there is a satisfaction in tinkering with something yourself. Like I said, I plan to test feeding late this week or early next.

To those concerned with safety - Don't be. No heat is generated in the less than one second the dremel blade is contacting the copper/lead surface. Certainly not enough to have one go bang. They are not even warm to the touch.

I didn't make these to try to save money - I made them, well, I don't know why I made them. But now that they are made, I'm curious if anyone thinks they would cause more damage or expand more.

Does anyone think they might actually damage the barrel of my gun?

Prowler
03-14-2009, 10:24 PM
fill them with liquid mercury and cap with hot wax or plastic.

Didn't that come from "The Day of the Jackal" movie? That thought crossed my mind in my earlier post, just didn't want to tell him...;)

ricknadine1111
03-14-2009, 10:25 PM
ok this is what you do for low recoll and sound- remove 1/2 the load, install mecury and cap with hot wax. this load can't be used over 5 feet from target. Just don't eat the target after it's shot due to poisoning.

Gnome
03-14-2009, 10:47 PM
I agree with the others who said the manufacture's have it best. If you had fun doing it, then it wasn't a waste. Only one way to fid if it works-shoot 'em. :22:

If you wanna maximize expansion, take a look at the Corbon Pow-R-ball ammo. Check the expansion on that bad boy. Looks like a damn mushroom cloud!

Josh
03-14-2009, 11:40 PM
the reason most factory hp rounds have those serrations are from the jacket swagging process. Those are the folds from when the jacket is formed and ensures that the petals open up along those lines just as it was pressed together.

Cutting arbitrary notches will help the jacket split along those lines and but you compromise its integrity and you will get jacket separation/fragmentation which will lead to less penetration from loss of energy. Also its not guaranteed to expand better as it may collapse in on itself since some of the support is removed instead of being built into the jacket as with swagging.

what2be
03-14-2009, 11:41 PM
ok this is what you do for low recoll and sound- remove 1/2 the load, install mecury and cap with hot wax. this load can't be used over 5 feet from target. Just don't eat the target after it's shot due to poisoning.

Whats this going to do?

The SoCal Gunner
03-14-2009, 11:45 PM
Too much time on your hands.

Spearo
03-15-2009, 12:14 AM
Didn't that come from "The Day of the Jackal" movie? That thought crossed my mind in my earlier post, just didn't want to tell him...;)

No, I believe it was from Jaws.

SONYEXEC
03-15-2009, 12:41 AM
a. tinkering is always fun
b. necessity is the mother of invention
c. you'll never know unless you try
d. the heat deal would deter me, but that's just me.
e. kinda like those guys that put those ridiculous rims & tires on their cars/trucks like they know better than auto engineers with years of experience and education who have matched the appropriate rim & tire size to the cars weight, size & load capacity.

All that being said I'll be checking back for your experiment's results because you did peak my interest. :thumbsup:

Dark&Good
03-15-2009, 1:14 AM
There is a lot of opinions on this, but I personally would not want a lawyer in my face asking why I shot innocent John Q. Gangbanger with self-modified bullets designed to inflict maximum death and carnage....

He has to prove it that "they were designed to inflict maximum death" :D

ErikTheRed
03-15-2009, 1:31 AM
I dunno man, something about tampering with ammo like that just doesn't sit well with me. I think I'd let the multi-million dollar ammo factory do the research and figure out what works. At the same time, why even bother? I'm pretty sure any good quality SD/HD round is gonna take care of business.

Jonathan Doe
03-15-2009, 6:46 AM
Instead of spending so much time on it, I would go out and buy a box of quality JHP ammo. I wonder how the bullets would hold up when yous hoot them.

JTROKS
03-15-2009, 7:19 AM
I'm thinking part of the nose will collapse once it hit the feed ramp when cyling causing the bullet to be out of balance. But handgun range is short enough to prove that. Also the partial collapse of the nose may impair proper expansion when part of the hollow cavity doesn't present a full diameter. I think the original design relies on the material you just Dremelled out for feeding and help to keep the edge to properly fold out during expansion.

thefurball
03-15-2009, 7:34 AM
I think you have waaaay too much time on your hands. But hey, everyone needs a hobby.:)

DRM6000
03-15-2009, 7:54 AM
go out and shoot them into wet phone books or something and report back with the results.

Voo
03-15-2009, 8:34 AM
Wow.. Some of the responses here are overtly PC. Since the OP asked for opinion, I'll simply state that it seems like a bad idea to mess with ammo this way. It doesnt seem prudent to go and grab your dremel and simply put more cuts into it thinking, "More is better".

I tend to have some faith in the major bullet companies doing quite a bit of R&D testing and designing these things with a particular behavior in mind. I'm all for modifying your stuff, but when it comes to self/home defense items. I tend to leave it stock. 10000's of hours of testing and research have gone into ensuring these things work when needed, and behave as designed- I somehow miss(ed) the connection that a guy with a dremel would be able to improve upon this.

I just see a lot of issues that don't seem to have been addressed.

1) you have no way of consistently cutting each bullet evenly. This pretty much ruins any kind of experimentation/testing setup. You'll have no idea why a particular bullet overpenetrated or separated due to your lack of control over how deep the cuts are.

2) how exactly are you going to test these ?? ballistic gelatin? someone suggested a wet phone book.. Ehh so your ammo is tested against wet phonebooks, is that somehow applicable to humans or do you have a thing against the yellow pages? Also, 50 rounds is a very small sample size to draw any kind of real, conclusive information. Again, even if you did shoot all 50, how would you know if your mods had made an improvement? Are you planning on shooting 50 regular JHP's to make the comparison??

Am I being so harsh? Sort of, it's simply because if you think about it, when your family or your life is on the line, why in the world would you tinker with something so insanely critical? Self Defense ammo is pricier compared to regular ball, but it's not even to the point where you can't afford a box or 2 of it. These things are engineered and tested extensively to provide a desired effect. Modifying that, especially without any real understanding or expertise in this area, seems like a really, really bad idea without much benefit.

There are good ideas out there and clever ways to be innovative. I just dont see modifying your JHP's with a DREMEL to be one of them.

krim
03-15-2009, 9:10 AM
wet packs are easier and less costly to produce. not everyone has the fridge/freezer space for large blocks of balgel.

ricknadine1111
03-15-2009, 9:15 AM
Whats this going to do?

"Hell" I don't know but it sounds smart.



http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn241/bellyscraper/Dancing_Grenade3.gif

B Strong
03-15-2009, 9:30 AM
First thing, you should have used a bullet puller before cutting on the slugs with a powered tool. Never work on loaded ammo with any powered device.

Second, anything you do to a projectile is as likely to degrade the performance as improve it.

The projectile has two jobs - ballistic stability in flight and terminal effect on the target. If the end user attempts to "improve" performance outside of the original design, the "improvements" in all probability will have a detrimental effect on one or both aspects of the projectile's performance.

I would guess that the cuts you made would result in those fingers breaking off on impact with a soft target, or fold in and prevent expansion.

You'd have to test on a gelatin medium to determine if the cuts had any positive effect on terminal performance.

PutTogether
03-15-2009, 9:45 AM
The projectile has two jobs - ballistic stability in flight and terminal effect on the target. If the end user attempts to "improve" performance outside of the original design, the "improvements" in all probability will have a detrimental effect on one or both aspects of the projectile's performance.

I would guess that the cuts you made would result in those fingers breaking off on impact with a soft target, or fold in and prevent expansion.

You'd have to test on a gelatin medium to determine if the cuts had any positive effect on terminal performance.

I think that you are exactly right. I don't have access to ballistic gelatin, but when I get the chance, which may not be for some time, i will get several milke cartons full of water and go out to the desert to take pictures of how the bullets deform.

I did NOT do this trying to "improve" remington ammunition. I am fairly certain they might know a LITTLE more than me when it comes to that. I was just having fun playing around.

.22guy
03-15-2009, 10:27 AM
He has to prove it that "they were designed to inflict maximum death" :D

Or he can just say it in front of the jury, who will believe it because:

A. They are idiots
B. They know nothing about guns or ammunition.
C. They are scared of guns.
D. All of the above.

Then you get a huge judgement against you, lose everything you own, while the gangbanger's family gets a new Caddy and a big screen to ease their suffering. :TFH::D

hawk1
03-15-2009, 10:46 AM
Waste of time. I'd bet it's out of balance now and will keyhole.
No expansion when it goes in sideways...

q2on
03-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Why not try reloading? Sounds like it'd be just as much "tinkering" fun but with better results! :) You could pack your own +P+ JHP rounds or something.

PutTogether
03-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Why not try reloading? Sounds like it'd be just as much "tinkering" fun but with better results! :) You could pack your own +P+ JHP rounds or something.


I think you are right. Where is a good place to read about / buy supplies on just getting started?

B Strong
03-15-2009, 12:11 PM
I think you are right. Where is a good place to read about / buy supplies on just getting started?


http://www.alliantpowder.com/beginner/bench.php

http://www.dillonprecision.com/

http://www.handloads.com/

http://www.huntingtons.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~45man/misc_images/Load_Data_2_JUN_05.xls

http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm

http://www.starlinebrass.com/

http://www.scharch.com/

jpnosworthy
03-15-2009, 12:43 PM
Well at the very least they look pretty mean :) If the Mythbusters can whip up some ballistic gell in 15 minutes, then you should be able to too. Check out http://www.myscienceproject.org/gelatin.html I'd personally love to see if/how those things mushroom. And as far as the ammo manufactures always getting it right.. I think there are a lot of handloaders and bullet casters out there who may disagree.

Turbinator
03-15-2009, 5:02 PM
I'm going to put my vote with the guys who say that the ammo maker has already invested time and money into designing the best bullet for the application. To think that a dremel and an afternoon of free time could improve upon that... well, you can have fun, but I wouldn't count on it being a dramatic improvement.

Turby

Kid Stanislaus
03-15-2009, 9:01 PM
I hope it's not FUD, but I've heard it mentioned around here that it's best to use unmolested factory ammo for SD/HD purposes. Something about protecting yourself from lawsuits. Maybe a search around would help, but I'm just throwing it out there.

:TFH:


That's my take on it. DON'T use that stuff for SD. Its OK for playing around and expirimenting but it'll land your butt in the slammer big time if you use it for SD.:(

bombadillo
03-15-2009, 11:13 PM
Thats a bit scary for me to do. If it works, I use it but its HST or SXT for me.

bombadillo
03-15-2009, 11:14 PM
Holy crap batman, 1001st post

saki302
03-16-2009, 5:44 AM
The SD court stuff is just rumors. It's prudent to think that way, but no one can confirm a prosecution for it as of yet. If I honestly thought I could mod a bullet to make it 50% more effective, or reload a cartridge vastly superior to commerical ammo, don't doubt for a moment that I would.

That said, it's so unlikely you can improve on a (good) existing load, I wouldn't bother trying. Not to mention there's no way to do it evenly so the bullet doesn't wobble or tumble in flight, or with enough consistency to ensure one bullet doesn't perform radically different from the next.

I think a revolver-specific JHP load with almost no taper (picture a .42 cal hole in the mouth of a .44 cal bullet) would be a devastating defensive load. Wadcutter from hell if it fails to expand, double diameter at least if it does. Make it out of solids like Cor-Bon DPX and we'd have a winner!

-Dave

WokMaster1
03-16-2009, 6:51 AM
OP, Just do it. Go ahead & test it. You've already done the mods. Stop asking for opinions here. Post your test & results. Pictures!!!!!!!

cannon
03-16-2009, 6:57 AM
Have fun but be safe.

What are you shooting into so as to recover the round to see if your plan worked.

Let us know if the modified round was more or less accurate.

Good luck.

JTROKS
03-16-2009, 7:10 AM
http://www.alliantpowder.com/beginner/bench.php

http://www.dillonprecision.com/

http://www.handloads.com/

http://www.huntingtons.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~45man/misc_images/Load_Data_2_JUN_05.xls

http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm

http://www.starlinebrass.com/

http://www.scharch.com/

Thanks for sharing your 454 load data with us. :thumbsup:

paintballergb
03-16-2009, 7:16 AM
If your going to cut on the bullet just cut a cross in the center that way you can kill both human and vampire alike.

forynot
03-16-2009, 7:19 AM
fill them with liquid mercury and cap with hot wax or plastic.


:eek::shock:

Kid Stanislaus
03-16-2009, 8:46 AM
The SD court stuff is just rumors. It's prudent to think that way, but no one can confirm a prosecution for it as of yet. -Dave


Massad Ayoob has posted and published confirmation of the fact. Even if he hadn't I'd take his word for it. The man has been on the SD scene for a LONG time. On top of that, every criminal defense lawyer worthy of the name advises against it. Don't buck the odds when your freedom is at stake.

Having said that, I really feel that a victem of criminal attack SHOULD be able to defend himself/herself with whatever means is available, but we don't live in an ideal world.

SONYEXEC
03-16-2009, 8:46 AM
Like the WOKMASTER & NIKE said...just do it and post pictures. You know what they say about opinions...they're like bellybuttons - everyone has one, everyone's is different and who needs another one :D

Im sure the first person to tinker with trigger springs, compensators, ect was not a gun mfg R&D employee. Typically R&D improves on what it's customers have modified. You may have just come up with the next prototype "black talon" round :p:p

PutTogether
03-16-2009, 12:45 PM
I will, I will.

I'm at work all this week - and then in the bahamas the next. I promise when I get back, I will find somewhere to go shoot some milk jugs full of water and recover the bullets.

Anyone I know the closest place to south orange county where I can go outside and shoot?

CA_SHARPSHOOTER
03-16-2009, 1:20 PM
thats something I have always wanted to do but was afraid to I guess you can be everyones test dummy of sorts

B Strong
03-16-2009, 4:40 PM
Thanks for sharing your 454 load data with us. :thumbsup:


Not mine, but I've used some of the .44 mag loads and .308 loads at those pages.

Good stuff there for just about everyone.

badlikeme
03-16-2009, 4:43 PM
There is a lot of opinions on this, but I personally would not want a lawyer in my face asking why I shot innocent John Q. Gangbanger with self-modified bullets designed to inflict maximum death and carnage....



why would you shoot innocent? That is murder. 2nd, ALL bullet are fatal when hit. No one is safe from getting hit.

badlikeme
03-16-2009, 4:44 PM
Unless you are an engineer and know what you are doing, I'll leave the bullet as is.

hellraiser
03-16-2009, 5:08 PM
If your going to cut on the bullet just cut a cross in the center that way you can kill both human and vampire alike.

this is the second time i spit out soda reading calguns!!! dose that work on zombies and mummys too???:62: :31:

randy
03-16-2009, 5:16 PM
First what you are doing has been done by others for years nothing new here.

2nd they don't work as well as what the factory makes.

If what you were doing worked better the factory would have done it.

Kid Stanislaus
03-16-2009, 6:00 PM
why would you shoot innocent?

Your obviously missed the cynicism here.

CitaDeL
03-16-2009, 7:21 PM
I wonder what feeding would be like. You might end up creating a round that wouldn't feed reliably.

+1
I would be concerned about jammies.

AndrewMendez
03-16-2009, 7:24 PM
those actually kinda look like black talions!!

Rudolf the Red
03-16-2009, 7:48 PM
Waste of ammo. Waste of time.

hoffman259
03-16-2009, 8:26 PM
Waste of ammo. Waste of time.

Wasn't your time or ammo. The OP stated he enjoyed doing it so how is it a waste of time?

Grumpyoldretiredcop
03-16-2009, 8:54 PM
Gee whiz. Way too many people with too much drama in mind. Have fun with it, try water soaked phone books as suggested - they've been used in testing as animal/human analogs in the past. If you really want to be picky, put a bone of some sort about 10-12" deep in it and see if your modified rounds penetrate to that point. Water jugs aren't really a good test as many HP rounds I've tested will expand on a water jug but won't expand as well in a ballistic medium.

Put pics up of any recovered rounds - inquiring minds will want to know!

PutTogether
03-16-2009, 10:09 PM
Gee whiz. Way too many people with too much drama in mind. Have fun with it, try water soaked phone books as suggested - they've been used in testing as animal/human analogs in the past. If you really want to be picky, put a bone of some sort about 10-12" deep in it and see if your modified rounds penetrate to that point. Water jugs aren't really a good test as many HP rounds I've tested will expand on a water jug but won't expand as well in a ballistic medium.

Put pics up of any recovered rounds - inquiring minds will want to know!

That makes a LOT of sense. I will go the wet phonebook route. Now the question is, where can I take these and some phonebooks out to go shoot and not be breaking the law??

I am in South Orange County. Is there any wilderness left around me where shooting is Ok? Would the angeles range let me set up wet phonebooks to shoot on their handgun range?

If someone can point me somewhere I can drive in less than two hours to go shoot some phonebooks with these things, I promise to do it in two weekends and post up pictures!

randy
03-16-2009, 11:28 PM
those actually kinda look like black talions!!

They look nothing like Black Talons, other than they are both metallic cartridges.

razorduc
03-17-2009, 7:53 AM
Try Burro Canyon Shooting Range in Azusa Canyon Just take Azusa Ave all the way north into the mountains. I think it's closer than Angeles for you. If you really want, you can get a private range for like $60.

And since when do big manufacturers always make the BEST product possible? Take a look at cars or even rifles. They are built to be cost effective (cheapest possible means for the company), serve the widest audience possible, and keep liability to a minimum. Ammo is easy to manufacture, but it's also a low cost per piece. So the extra time to research additional grooves and to put tools together to manufacture may not have been worth their money. Not saying this will work, but it's an interesting experiment.

Black_Talon
03-17-2009, 3:53 PM
And since when do big manufacturers always make the BEST product possible?

When it comes to ammunition designed for LE, they certainly try, at least since the FBI protocols of the late 1980's.

Josh
03-17-2009, 4:31 PM
When it comes to ammunition designed for LE, they certainly try, at least since the FBI protocols of the late 1980's.

which is one reason they sell two different lines of ammo.

Such as the SXT vs the ranger-t or hydra shock vs HST

Right now the civilian marketed stuff is about 3-4 generations behind the LE product.

Juno05
03-17-2009, 7:58 PM
I think it's absolutely awesome that you're experimenting. Who cares if it's been done before? First-hand experience is invaluable. Find out for yourself!

I agree it likely isn't the best SD/HD ammunition, but people toss back and forth struggling to find out which ammunition is best for those purposes anyway.

Vic
03-17-2009, 8:31 PM
Thought you might like this link Puttogether

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot32.htm

PutTogether
03-18-2009, 7:29 PM
Thought you might like this link Puttogether

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot32.htm


Awesome link! When I go shoot these, i will try to make it as informative as that. Isn't that the same guy who posted up an experiment about shooting locks like they do in movies?

Vic
03-18-2009, 8:46 PM
Awesome link! When I go shoot these, i will try to make it as informative as that. Isn't that the same guy who posted up an experiment about shooting locks like they do in movies?

Yup, It's a great site, it's like mythbusters, but solely for firearms.

bernieb90
03-18-2009, 10:06 PM
Here are some "homemade" bullets that I have been working on.

.451 Muzzloader bullet.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/P1000823.jpg
Fired Into Water @1700fps
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/Picture003.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0188.jpg
145gr (L) and 138gr right

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0182.jpg
.300 Wby Mag and .308 Win

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0193.jpg

The 145gr version is generally unsuitable for the .308 due to the ogive shape (results in short OAL). It works much better in the Weatherby due to the freebore.


Here are sectioned views of the above bullets.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0215.jpg

By the way the 145gr bullet yielded 3/4" (@100 yds) groups in a Weatherby Vanguard (std. model)

PutTogether
03-18-2009, 10:41 PM
way to go bernie. You totally just showed me up. My ugly dremeled bullet PALES in comparison.

thejackamo
03-18-2009, 10:47 PM
VERY cool stuff, bernie. the expansion on that .451 is boggling

jpnosworthy
03-18-2009, 10:48 PM
Those are sick!!!! How did you make those?

Here are some "homemade" bullets that I have been working on.

CRTguns
03-18-2009, 11:03 PM
from the bad-guy's POV, getting shot is getting shot. Holes are holes, and the bad-guy, even if hit with a few "sub standard" HPs, probably won't be telling you that "you shooda used better bullets."

"...it is the hits that count- not the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make; we will hit..."

bernieb90
03-19-2009, 7:24 AM
I have a mechanical engineering degree, and work in my dad's machine shop. All the bullets are CNC lathe turned from 99.9% pure copper.

I agree 100% with CRTguns. The best bullet in the world will rarely if ever make up for poor shot placement, but the opposite seems to happen quite often. If we can combine good bullets with proper shot placement (as good as possible under the circumstances), and sound tactics we are already ahead of the game. The rest of the equation involves luck, and the skills of the enemy. Bullet, and firearm technology complement tactics, and shooting ability they does not replace them. However I believe that we should have the best equipment (firearms, and ammo) we can afford then train, train, and train some more.

bernieb90
03-20-2009, 9:43 PM
Here is my latest bullet design. Again it is a lightweight .308 130gr. The predicted BC is .400 so it should fly pretty well. Muzzle velocity in a .308 Win should be about 3000 fps with proper powder selection.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0367.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j275/bernieb90/DSC_0369.jpg

saki302
03-20-2009, 10:33 PM
Beautiful bullet!

You should turn out .50 projectiles- lots of the .50 shooters (including me) would buy them :D

-Dave

B.D.Dubloon
03-20-2009, 10:40 PM
I would be very careful doing that, In fact I don't think I would do that at all considering dremeling causes heat. I wouldn't want a bullet going bang just to save a few dollars, just get the real thing.

That's what I thought reading the OP:D

reidnez
03-21-2009, 12:31 AM
I don't know if it's a practical improvement, but it sure looks cool ;). It reminds me of the guys who paint their revolver rounds red.