PDA

View Full Version : Sig 228 vs. 229?


Kram12085
03-14-2009, 9:34 AM
Are there any major differences between the two? The 228 was one of the first handguns I fired years ago and I remember it felt like a match made in heaven. I'm interested in getting one now but I'm not sure I want to shell out the cash for a 228 if the 229 is a nearly identical replacement...

Casual Observer
03-14-2009, 9:45 AM
The 228 was a compact version of the 226- just a bit shorter in length and height. It only came in 9mm.

The 229 is a completely new firearm that's about the same size in length and height, but is actually wider and a bit heavier and comes in 9mm, 40S&W and .357 SIG.

Kram12085
03-14-2009, 9:49 AM
Can anyone that has fired both the 228 and 229 comment on how they shoot with respect to each other? The ~$800 pricetag for a 228 (if I can even find one) I've seen lately is a bit high for my budget...

james758
03-14-2009, 9:58 AM
The 228 was a smaller version of the 9mm 226. Then with the advent of the 40SW cartridge (and proprietary 357SIG cartridge) Sig introduced the p226 in both 40 and 357. At the same time, they introduced the 229 in 9mm, 40sw and 357sig. The major differences are that the 228 slide was made from folded carbon steel and had full seration marks on the slilde, whilst the 229 slide (aside from the caliber differnces) was machined from stainless steel and the serrations on the slide are only on the bottom half of the slide. The other minor difference is that the 228's used a roll pin in the slide while the 229's use a solid pin. You can find a limited run of 228' with a tactical rail, and they are "new" but they are a few years old.
The 228 and 9mm 229 use the same magazines and can also use the full size 226 9mm mags as well as the extended 20 round 9mm mags.
The 228 is no longer produced so most you find will be used, and they are kind of becoming a collectors item just as the sig P6 (almost identical to the p225). When the sig P6's were inported by the BOATLOAD about a year ago, you could get them out the door for less than $300, now they are hard to come by and if you do find them, they are over $400 (more if you life in CA).
Sorry, didnt mean to make this into a P6 thread.
The one thing about the 228's is that they only made them in the plane jane, joe blow version with few options (mostly color schemes or night sights) but with the 229's you can get the SAO, Carry version, or anything you want just about.
Hope this helps.

saki302
03-14-2009, 1:53 PM
The stamped slide in the 228 makes it lighter than the 229. Side by side they are almost identical.

The 228 also only comes in 9mm.

-Dave

tonelar
03-14-2009, 2:24 PM
What caliber you looking for? Do you like rails?
The 228 is 9mm only.
shoot both-

Personally, I like the way the 228 handles compared to the 229. The 228 balances better. And feels like it cycles faster for some reason. Mebbe cause the slide is lighter?
If less reciprocating mass = faster lock time.

lawrence29
03-14-2009, 3:00 PM
228 balance better as mentioned above and still very accurate. I shoot it better than a p226.

lunde
03-14-2009, 3:10 PM
Many people consider the P228 to be the best overall Sig-Sauer pistol. I own three of them, two of which are Two-Tone, and I'd sell all of my P229s before I would sell one of my P228s.

Here is my "plain Jane" one:

http://lundestudio.com/photos/p228-left-full.jpg

Here is one of my Two-Tone ones wearing Nill grips:

http://lundestudio.com/photos/p228tt-left-full.jpg

Bongos
03-14-2009, 5:13 PM
Not too long ago, P225 were and still rare were going for $700-$800, now with the P6 in the market, these have gone down to the $500 level. P228 is getting in the $700-$800 in today's market

PutTogether
03-14-2009, 10:56 PM
Many people consider the P228 to be the best overall Sig-Sauer pistol. I own three of them, two of which are Two-Tone, and I'd sell all of my P229s before I would sell one of my P228s.

Here is my "plain Jane" one:

http://lundestudio.com/photos/p228-left-full.jpg

Here is one of my Two-Tone ones wearing Nill grips:

http://lundestudio.com/photos/p228tt-left-full.jpg

What is the finish called on that all black one?

berg
03-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Are there any major differences between the two? The 228 was one of the first handguns I fired years ago and I remember it felt like a match made in heaven. I'm interested in getting one now but I'm not sure I want to shell out the cash for a 228 if the 229 is a nearly identical replacement...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=162187&page=2

draconianruler
03-14-2009, 11:30 PM
I have a 228 and shot my buddies 229 back to back. There is something about the way the 228 feels that makes it better then the 229. I guess people call it the balance of the gun. I can't quite place my finger on it.

Kram12085
03-15-2009, 2:17 AM
I have a 228 and shot my buddies 229 back to back. There is something about the way the 228 feels that makes it better then the 229. I guess people call it the balance of the gun. I can't quite place my finger on it.

I guess I will have to fire both to really know. I remember firing the 228 years ago along with my buddy's 1911 and USP. There was something about the 228 that just felt right...

tonelar
03-15-2009, 2:38 AM
With top and frt heavy pistols; the slide moving back and forth between shots is more deliberate feeling to me. You feel every clunk.
The classic Sig models are more subtle. You dont really feel the slide reciprocating to the same degree as with the newer, more "advanced" line.

Maybe, try to find one of the M11 variants. Those look promising.

lunde
03-15-2009, 4:59 AM
PutTogether, you wrote:What is the finish called on that all black one?The slide is matte blued, which is standard. The frame is black-anodized, which is also standard.

PutTogether
03-15-2009, 11:53 AM
PutTogether, you wrote:The slide is matte blued, which is standard. The frame is black-anodized, which is also standard.


Is that the same as what they call their "nitron" finish? Or do they actually call it matte blue.

lunde
03-15-2009, 12:03 PM
I believe it is a traditional matte blued finish. It was made in 1993 (it has a "KD" datecode on the slide, under the muzzle).

SDJim
03-15-2009, 12:46 PM
Edited to correct the model numbers . . . That's what I get for having a discussion with my daughter while I type.

The 228 226 was SIG's entry into the "Inter-Service 1911 Replacement Competition" The SIG performed better than the Beretta but Beretta agreed to build a plant and produce pistols in the US much sooner (after 5000 pistols or as soon as the plant was up and running) than SIG (only after the initial run of 15K pistols if ever.)
The 228 226 performed so well that SIG developed the 228 where the Military gave it the M-11 designation. It (the 228) was initially issued / made available to SPECWAR and for use by undercover operations and until recently it was carried by NCIS, Army & Marine CID personnel and as late as 2003 some Navy Aviation Squadrons (personal observation).

Personally the 228 is my favorite pistol followed by the 1911 and my 220. The ergonomics and balance fit me just great. My only gripe is that as a BE shooter I tend to have a high hand grip which puts my right thumb right over the slide release. Some times the slide doesn't stay back after the last round.

If I ever get into competition shooting (IDPA / IPSC) I'm sending my 228 to have the trigger cleaned up and us it.

If I found a good price on another 228, I would snap it up in a heartbeat.

SeANMcBAY
03-15-2009, 2:25 PM
whats the size of the p228 compared to the p225? i'm curious.

tonelar
03-15-2009, 3:19 PM
SDJim,
That was the 226. It went head to head with the Beretta, Colt, Ruger etc. Many guess the Beretta 92 won the bid due to political reasons. When the military was looking for a compact auto, Sig broke out with the 228.

Puttogether,
Sigs Nitron is different than the matte blue. Their upgrade finish in the earlier years was K-Kote (more like a semi gloss look). Nitron came about later on.

SeanMcBay,
They're nearly identical overall. The 225 is a slimmer contour in the grip area. The 225 is an excellent shooter.

Juno05
03-16-2009, 1:50 PM
I had a chance to shoot the 229 in 9 mm and I have to say I liked it a lot. Great balance and felt recoil, and surprisingly accurate even with the relatively high bore axis. But I also liked the 239 in 9 mm, and I have not had the chance to use a 228.

Do the different stock grips on the 228 vs. the 229 make a difference to anyone here? I seem to remember the 229 has thicker grip panels than the 228.

lunde
03-16-2009, 2:52 PM
Other than the model number designation, the P228 and P229 use the same grips.

If you're thinking about 9mm, I suggest waiting until you have a chance to shoot a genuine P228. If you liked the P229, chances are you will love the P228.

Juno05
03-16-2009, 3:30 PM
Well, I'm saving up for a CZ P-01 anyway I want a rail but a 228 would be a good second gun to have. Gotta convince the wife of that, though.

223Diplomacy
09-29-2009, 12:18 AM
In regards to the Beretta / Sig contract that went to the military heres the story I heard from a reliable source.

After the torture tests the beretta came in first and Sig came in second.
In the manufacturing plant the (metalurgist?) or person in charge of the manufacturing was not there for a period of time. A replacement person sat in. So one day a high star/ high brass person wanted to shoot the beretta that won the test. While he was shooting the slide cracked right under the hammer, split in 2 and flew back and hit him in the face. Hence the replacement in the manufacturing process and a problem with the metalurgy.

After that SPECWAR got the sig. the remainder of the military got the beretta.

This is how it was told to me. While in a school.