Dual state citizenship?

[kar6man]

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as dual state citizenship and the specifics if there is such a thing? I have a home in Sothern CA where I'm working now and I own a home in central AZ.

any help is appreciated.
thanks, cody.

[what2be]

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as dual state citizenship and the specifics if there is such a thing? I have a home in Sothern CA where I'm working now and I own a home in central AZ.

any help is appreciated.
thanks, cody.

Yes, there is, research it, I cant remember the specifics, I think each state may vary.

Im a nevada/ca dual resident. I think it was like, 3 or 4 months out of the year you have to live there? Not sure., so dont quote me on that. I know that wherever you are 6months out of the year is the place you file your taxes out. Hopefully someone with a better memory than me can be more specific.

[bohoki]

i'd like to know more about this i would love a nevada id so i can use the ranges without gettin the "look"

i think you can only have one state drivers licence but can you get a nevada id?

[Backcountry]

Remedial civics time.

You are a citizen of the United States of America.

State's have residency requirements, not "citizenship".

[Corbin Dallas]

Remedial civics time.

You are a citizen of the United States of America.

State's have residency requirements, not "citizenship".

Correct-a-mundo

Each state has different requirements regarding "residency", best to do the research for yourself and be certain.

[what2be]

i'd like to know more about this i would love a nevada id so i can use the ranges without gettin the "look"

i think you can only have one state drivers licence but can you get a nevada id?

Im too lazy atm to look it up, but go to the nevada dmv site. You can get a state id card if you live there xxx amount of months per year. I think its 90, but like i said earlier, cant be sure.

A Nevada ID card WILL let you purchase firearms, etc. You dont need a drivers license to purchase firearms, just have to meet the requirements to be a resident and get a ID card. DONT BRING ANY WEAPONS INTO CALIFORNIA THAT ARENT CA LEGAL.

Although you CAN bring in Handguns that are not on the ca approved list, and register them to yourself in ca.

[Corbin Dallas]

i think you can only have one state drivers license

I still have yet to have anyone provide proof of this in any state.

I would love to see the law on this.

[fatirishman]

"Remedial civics time.

You are a citizen of the United States of America.

State's have residency requirements, not "citizenship"."

Absolutely incorrect - your US citizenship essentially daisy-chains from your status as a citizen of one of the member states of the union. This seldom matters in real life these days (it sometimes matters in highly technical questions of federal diversity jurisdiction), but at the theoretical level, your citizenship is primarily that as being a citizen of a state (NB: there are pretty severe 14th Amendment constraints on this issue - part of the reason it is all but a dead letter; additionally, the courts have gutted the 11th amendment distinctions which is one of the few places it might otherwise matter). To the initial point, there is no such thing as dual citizenship, but there is dual residency - states tend to be pretty lenient in these regards, but it does vary by state (theoretically, there is a whole federal overlay here, but usually the ATF will respect any paper coming from a state stating that you are a valid resident - if you own property and spend c. 90 days a year there, you will probably be fine).

[Gray Peterson]

"Remedial civics time.

You are a citizen of the United States of America.

State's have residency requirements, not "citizenship"."

Absolutely incorrect - your US citizenship essentially daisy-chains from your status as a citizen of one of the member states of the union. This seldom matters in real life these days (it sometimes matters in highly technical questions of federal diversity jurisdiction), but at the theoretical level, your citizenship is primarily that as being a citizen of a state (NB: there are pretty severe 14th Amendment constraints on this issue - part of the reason it is all but a dead letter; additionally, the courts have gutted the 11th amendment distinctions which is one of the few places it might otherwise matter). To the initial point, there is no such thing as dual citizenship, but there is dual residency - states tend to be pretty lenient in these regards, but it does vary by state (theoretically, there is a whole federal overlay here, but usually the ATF will respect any paper coming from a state stating that you are a valid resident - if you own property and spend c. 90 days a year there, you will probably be fine).

The whole concept of "state citizenship" came out of the Slaughterhouse cases and Ward v. Maryland.

[Quiet]

TITLE 27 - ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS
CHAPTER II - BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
SUBCHAPTER B - FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
PART 478 - COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
subpart b - DEFINITIONS
478.11 - Meaning of terms

State of residence
The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

Example 3. A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.

[what2be]

TITLE 27 - ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS
CHAPTER II - BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
SUBCHAPTER B - FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
PART 478 - COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
subpart b - DEFINITIONS
478.11 - Meaning of terms

State of residence
The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

Example 3. A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.

Example 3 is the one most common. My next question is, I know you dont have to OWN a home, but what defines home? In theory, a homeless man is a resident, yet he has no "home".
Id assume someone that lives with a parent in another state falls under example 3 fine, as well as anyone that rents a room from someone in another state.

[bohoki]

if home whas where the heart is i'd be a nevadan but if its where you hang your hat i'd be a dual

[Decoligny]

Im too lazy atm to look it up, but go to the nevada dmv site. You can get a state id card if you live there xxx amount of months per year. I think its 90, but like i said earlier, cant be sure.

A Nevada ID card WILL let you purchase firearms, etc. You dont need a drivers license to purchase firearms, just have to meet the requirements to be a resident and get a ID card. DONT BRING ANY WEAPONS INTO CALIFORNIA THAT ARENT CA LEGAL.

Although you CAN bring in Handguns that are not on the ca approved list, and register them to yourself in ca.

I don't know what calendar you are using, but mine only has 12 months per year. :D

[xLusi0n]

I still have yet to have anyone provide proof of this in any state.

I would love to see the law on this.

When I moved to AZ, to get an AZ drivers license I had to turn in my CA one. I suppose I could have acted like I didn't have a CA one and applied as a noobie, but that would require me to take the permit test and drivers test etc...with the other high schoolers :) So I didn't.

[Publius]

The whole concept of "state citizenship" came out of the Slaughterhouse cases and Ward v. Maryland.

Actually, it's explicitly contained in Article IV Section 2 of the Constitution and Section 1 of the 14th Amendment. The latter effectively amended the former. Under the original Constitution, U.S. citizenship flowed from state citizenship. The 14th Amendment basically reversed it.

[Corbin Dallas]

When I moved to AZ, to get an AZ drivers license I had to turn in my CA one. I suppose I could have acted like I didn't have a CA one and applied as a noobie, but that would require me to take the permit test and drivers test etc...with the other high schoolers :) So I didn't.

Still, no specific law quoted.

[tazmanian devil dog]

You can get a Seasonal Nevada Resident I.D. card even if you are a Kalifornia Resident. You only have to provide a legitimate NV address that you spend at least 30 days at per year.

[cj cake]

You can get a Seasonal Nevada Resident I.D. card even if you are a Kalifornia Resident. You only have to provide a legitimate NV address that you spend at least 30 days at per year.

Correctamundo! I live in Sparks for more than 30 days a year. I have a NV ID card for seasonal residents.

[Sgt Raven]

Still, no specific law quoted.

Here you go. :thumbsup:

The Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986 was signed into law on October 27, 1986.

The Act corrects the problems that existed before 1986 by making it illegal to hold more than one license and by requiring States to adopt testing and licensing standards for truck and bus drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_driver's_license

[maxicon]

Back to the original question re: AZ resident definition:

http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/azwelcome.asp

Resident Definition
State law requires that you obtain an Arizona vehicle registration and driver license, immediately if any of the following applies. If you:


Work in Arizona (other than for seasonal agricultural work) –or–
Are registered to vote in Arizona –or–
Place children in school without paying the tuition rate of a nonresident –or–
Have a business that has an office in Arizona, and that bases and operates vehicles in this state –or–
Obtain a state license or pay school tuition fees at the same rate as an Arizona resident –or–
Have a business that operates vehicles to transport goods or passengers within Arizona –or–
Remain in Arizona for a total of 7 months or more during any calendar year, regardless of your permanent residence.
Out-of-state students enrolled with 7 or more semester hours, are not considered Arizona residents, regardless of employment.

Active duty military personnel based in Arizona who qualify for exemption under the Service Members Civil Relief Act of 2003 are not considered Arizona residents.

[Corbin Dallas]

Here you go. :thumbsup:

The Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986 was signed into law on October 27, 1986.

The Act corrects the problems that existed before 1986 by making it illegal to hold more than one license and by requiring States to adopt testing and licensing standards for truck and bus drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_driver's_license

This only applies to commercial drivers licenses.

[Sgt Raven]

This only applies to commercial drivers licenses.

No, that is where it came from. Drivers, truck drivers included, would have mutiple licenses and use different ones when pulled over, so they wouldn't get to many points on one of them. When the Feds inacted the CMVSA of '86, they included that states had to restrict everyone to one license. :thumbsup:

[Canute]

I've thought of getting a Michigan ID card. I grew up there and still have some immediate family living there. I read on the Michigan State Police's web site that I could even use an immediate relative's information to do so.
Looks like a clear path to a Michigan CPL (aka CCW) :).

[NSR500]

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

This is best outlines my situation and I have not come under any scrutiny in either Texas, or California.
I bought a House in Texas, pay utilities, property taxes, work there, etc... I also travel to California for work and maintained an apartment, pay California tax on earnings in State, etc...
I have 2 forms of ID; a California DL, and a Texas State ID. I did this because you can only hold one drivers license.
I buy guns in both Texas and California with no problems at all.
You don't need to call any agency and apply for "Dual Residency" or anything like that. You just follow the rules and really live in both States.

[MP301]

I didnt see anything about seasonal...am i missing something?

http://www.dmvnv.com/nvdl.htm#ID



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The residency and proof of identity requirements for a Nevada Identification Card are the same as those for a driver license. The minimum age for an ID card is 10 years.

You generally cannot hold both a Nevada ID card and an out-of-state driver license. Nevada residents who wish to operate a motor vehicle must obtain a Nevada driver license.

To apply for an original Nevada Identification Card, you must:

Be a resident of Nevada and provide a Nevada street address.
Provide acceptable proof of your name, date of birth and Social Security number if one has been issued for you. See Residency and Proof of Identity.
Apply in person at a DMV Full Service Office. (We do not make appointments.)
Complete a Driver License Application.
Pay the required fee. (Under 18 - $6, 18-64 - $12, 65 or older - $7)
Surrender any existing U.S. driver license, permit or ID card.
Have your picture taken.
Any existing ID will be hole-punched and returned to you along with an interim paper document. Your new ID card will be mailed to you within 10 business days.

If you are surrendering a Nevada driver license or permit for an ID card, you need only to surrender the existing license. You do not need separate proof of name, date of birth or SSN.

Persons who declare themselves homeless are entitled to a one-time fee exemption for a duplicate Nevada license or ID card. See Duplicate Licenses. If you need to renew your ID Card, see Renewal Options and ID Card Fees.

[1923mack]

"duall drivers licenses".

History of the restriction to only one drivers license is that Truck drivers were getting multiple drivers licenses. So when getting a speeding ticket in Michigan they used their Arizona drivers license. When getting a ticket in New Yourk used Califoria drivers license. By spreading tickets to multiple states no one state knew how many tickets the truck operator had. The Federal law made it illegal to have more than one drivers license.

[munkeeboi]

rarely mentioned...it's on their application

http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/dld1.pdf

I didnt see anything about seasonal...am i missing something?

http://www.dmvnv.com/nvdl.htm#ID



ID Cards Forms Help | Back To Top


The residency and proof of identity requirements for a Nevada Identification Card are the same as those for a driver license. The minimum age for an ID card is 10 years.

You generally cannot hold both a Nevada ID card and an out-of-state driver license. Nevada residents who wish to operate a motor vehicle must obtain a Nevada driver license.

To apply for an original Nevada Identification Card, you must:

Be a resident of Nevada and provide a Nevada street address.
Provide acceptable proof of your name, date of birth and Social Security number if one has been issued for you. See Residency and Proof of Identity.
Apply in person at a DMV Full Service Office. (We do not make appointments.)
Complete a Driver License Application.
Pay the required fee. (Under 18 - $6, 18-64 - $12, 65 or older - $7)
Surrender any existing U.S. driver license, permit or ID card.
Have your picture taken.
Any existing ID will be hole-punched and returned to you along with an interim paper document. Your new ID card will be mailed to you within 10 business days.

If you are surrendering a Nevada driver license or permit for an ID card, you need only to surrender the existing license. You do not need separate proof of name, date of birth or SSN.

Persons who declare themselves homeless are entitled to a one-time fee exemption for a duplicate Nevada license or ID card. See Duplicate Licenses. If you need to renew your ID Card, see Renewal Options and ID Card Fees.

[1923mack]

2 members have posted they have season Nevads IDs. The posted sheet from Nevada DMV does not reference this seasonal ID. It even specifically states surrender out of state drivers license. Ae we missing something?

[what2be]

2 members have posted they have season Nevads IDs. The posted sheet from Nevada DMV does not reference this seasonal ID. It even specifically states surrender out of state drivers license. Ae we missing something?

Jesus, some of you guys just cant get it through your heads.

A ID CARD IS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE. GO DOWN TO THE CA DMV IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME. THERE IS A BOX TO CHECK ON THE DRIVERS LICENSE APPLICATION, YOU CAN GET A CA ID, NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE. YOU DONT HAVE TO SURRENDER ANY DRIVERS LICENSE, BECAUSE A ID CARD DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DRIVE. ITS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE. THEY ARE 2 SEPERATE THINGS.

Therefore, you can go to nevada, rent a house, live there, go to DMV, get a NEVADA ID CARD, then you are able to buy guns in nevada. Then you go back to your OTHER house in CA, get in your car with your CALIFORNIA DRIVERS LICENSE, and drive around all you want.

Perfectly legal.

[1923mack]

Want2be. You are using logic, while other members have posted hard data from the Nevada DMV. We understand the difference betwen an ID card and a drivers license. If you read the data for ID cards from Nevada DMV it says "surrender drivers license". While I agree that makes no sense, it says what it says. We wonder how the 2 members that stated they got the id cards got around that issue.

[eltee]

Hello,
A Seasonal Resident is someone who is not a resident as defined in NRS 483.141 and who temporarily reside In the state for a period of at least 31 consecutive days in each calendar year, maintains a temporary residence in this state, returns to the state or jurisdiction of his residence at least one time during each calendar year, and is registered to vote or pays income tax in another state or jurisdiction.

You will need to bring in the following documents:

Certified copy of your Birth Certificate, US Passport or Military Id

Out of state driver’s license

Social security card

You will need proof of Residency form the state you reside in.

You are not allowed to work in the state of Nevada. The fee is $12.00. You will get to keep your out of state driver’s license.
Sincerely,

Jeanette Perez

DMV Services Technician II

Central Services Division

[Sgt Raven]

Want2be. You are using logic, while other members have posted hard data from the Nevada DMV. We understand the difference betwen an ID card and a drivers license. If you read the data for ID cards from Nevada DMV it says "surrender drivers license". While I agree that makes no sense, it says what it says. We wonder how the 2 members that stated they got the id cards got around that issue.

That’s for a regular NV ID card, you have to find the info for a NV Seasonal ID card, if they even have it listed on line. :thumbsup:

[MP301]

I would be curious as to the legality of purchasing a firearm in nevada with a seasonal resident id. I would guess that you could do it, especially if the seller saw a nevada id and didnt think twice about it, but is it really legal?

In other words, my understanding is that a CA resident must purchase a gun in CA, thru a dealer, etc., or he/she is comitting a crime. So for gun purchases in nevada on a seasonal resident id to be legal, ca doj would have to recognize the nevada seasonal id and consider you a nevada resident during the time your using it to purchase a firearm....which i find hard to swallow that ca doj would be happy to cooperate with this activity....

Anyone have a clue on this????

[hitman13]

I would be curious as to the legality of purchasing a firearm in nevada with a seasonal resident id. I would guess that you could do it, especially if the seller saw a nevada id and didnt think twice about it, but is it really legal?

In other words, my understanding is that a CA resident must purchase a gun in CA, thru a dealer, etc., or he/she is comitting a crime. So for gun purchases in nevada on a seasonal resident id to be legal, ca doj would have to recognize the nevada seasonal id and consider you a nevada resident during the time your using it to purchase a firearm....which i find hard to swallow that ca doj would be happy to cooperate with this activity....

Anyone have a clue on this????

yes it is legal. You are only a CA resident during the time that you are physically living in CA. While you are in AZ / NV/ anywhere else you are a resident of that state if you are maintaining a home there (ie: living there, not owning it and renting it out).

Ca DOJ can suck my ****, I will bring any weapons that are not listed back into the state that I want.

Sincerely,
hitman13

a dual state resident.

TITLE 27 - ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS
CHAPTER II - BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
SUBCHAPTER B - FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
PART 478 - COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
subpart b - DEFINITIONS
478.11 - Meaning of terms

State of residence
The State in which an individual resides. An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State. If an individual is on active duty as a member of the Armed Forces, the individual's State of residence is the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. An alien who is legally in the United States shall be considered to be a resident of a State only if the alien is residing in the State and has resided in the State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of sale or delivery of a firearm. The following are examples that illustrate this definition:

Example 1. A maintains a home in State X. A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing, business, or other type of trip. A does not become a resident of State Y by reason of such trip.

Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. A resides in State X except for weekends or the summer months of the year and in State Y for the weekends or the summer months of the year. During the time that A actually resides in State X, A is a resident of State X, and during the time that A actually resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y.

Example 3. A, an alien, travels on vacation or on a business trip to State X. Regardless of the length of time A spends in State X, A does not have a State of residence in State X. This is because A does not have a home in State X at which he has resided for at least 90 days.

[Mikeinblack]

In AZ, as a Dual Resident... If you have your State ID and an AZ CCW, there is no NICS check, making the transactions at dealers lightning quick... AZ has some fantastic shops...

[12voltguy]

Here you go. :thumbsup:

The Commercial Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1986 was signed into law on October 27, 1986.

The Act corrects the problems that existed before 1986 by making it illegal to hold more than one license and by requiring States to adopt testing and licensing standards for truck and bus drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_driver's_license

This only applies to commercial drivers licenses.

No, that is where it came from. Drivers, truck drivers included, would have mutiple licenses and use different ones when pulled over, so they wouldn't get to many points on one of them. When the Feds inacted the CMVSA of '86, they included that states had to restrict everyone to one license. :thumbsup:

Hey some people don't let things like "FACTS" or PROOF" get in the way of never being wrong:p

Bet $1 he did not go to your link.
No you can not have 2 DL's from different states, for ther reasons stated it was made law

[1923mack]

Jeanette:

Thanks for the information. You mentioned the paperwork necessary for the Seasonal ID card. What is required to show the temporary Nevada residence? Utility bill, address or?

[cj cake]

When I got my seasonal NV id card, I could not find any information on the DMV website. I called and spoke with a customer service rep. When I asked about it, the reply was "where did you hear about the seasonal residency". I felt as if it was being kept kind of secret or something. I stated that a friend of mine had one who had a similar living situation as I did. They handed me a green form to fill out. It is the same as a DL application. I filled it out and was told to explain it was for a seasonal ID, since that was not a check box on the form. After filling in the address information, showing my CA DL, and a SS card, I had the ID. They did not even ask to see any of my paperwork with the physical address on it (bills etc.).

[CWatson]

and was told to explain it was for a seasonal ID, since that was not a check box on the form.


There is a Seasonal ID check box right under the regular ID box.


CW

[NiteQwill]

Jeanette:

Thanks for the information. You mentioned the paperwork necessary for the Seasonal ID card. What is required to show the temporary Nevada residence? Utility bill, address or?

All they need is a physical address, your CA DL or military ID, and an SS card (if you do not have a military ID).

Do the paperwork, out the door in less than 30 minutes. Buy all you want in Nevada, keep all the CA-illegal stuff in NV though.

[DDT]

There is a Seasonal ID check box right under the regular ID box.


CW

Can you use your CA address on the application if you are only in NV seasonally?

[Quiet]

Can you use your CA address on the application if you are only in NV seasonally?

No.
Have to have the NV address where you live at while you are resident of NV.

[ke6guj]

There is a Seasonal ID check box right under the regular ID box.


CW
think maybe he could have gotten his seasonal ID card before the application was updated?. The revision on that form is 2/06, and IIRC, the seasonal ID program did go into affect before then.

[jnojr]

Im too lazy atm to look it up, but go to the nevada dmv site. You can get a state id card if you live there xxx amount of months per year. I think its 90, but like i said earlier, cant be sure.

90 months of the year, huh? Hmmm...

A friend of a friend is a resident of Michigan. They live in San Diego about five and a half months out of the year. They make sure to not go over six and so be considered a resident of California, at least by the IRS, and have to pay CA income tax.

[CWatson]

Can you use your CA address on the application if you are only in NV seasonally?

You will use both your CA and NV addresses on the application, one will go as your mailing address the other as resident address. Leave both sections blank until you get to the window because there appears some confusion on where to place which one where depending on the person helping you.

The DMV near me (W.Flamingo) prints your ID and hands it to you before you walk out, no waiting for it in the mail.

CW

[NiteQwill]

You will use both your CA and NV addresses on the application, one will go as your mailing address the other as resident address. Leave both sections blank until you get to the window because there appears some confusion on where to place which one where depending on the person helping you.

The DMV near me (W.Flamingo) prints your ID and hands it to you before you walk out, no waiting for it in the mail.

CW

+1 Correct, that is the same DMV I went to. Leave the parts blank, they will actually HELP you fill it out. This allows you to have your NV address on your ID card.

If they have transitioned to the new ID card (some "enhanced" security card that satisfies the Real ID Act or something...), they will mail it to your NV address within 10 business days.

[DDT]

You will use both your CA and NV addresses on the application, one will go as your mailing address the other as resident address. Leave both sections blank until you get to the window because there appears some confusion on where to place which one where depending on the person helping you.

The DMV near me (W.Flamingo) prints your ID and hands it to you before you walk out, no waiting for it in the mail.

CW


Damn.

Arrive in the morning, sign a lease before lunch, get an ID by 1:00, Buy your nice shiny off-roster pistol etc. with no waiting period and no registration. In the casino before dinner.

Now you just have to spend a few weeks in Nevada, not a bad trade off.

[NSR500]

Something to consider for you guys thinking about Dual State Residency for the purpose of acquiring Pistols that are not California Certified...

You might be treading into a gray area that may get you into trouble. The reason I say this is because whilst California allows for new residents to move into California with their Non-California pistols, it does not address Dual Residents.
How can you consider yourself a "New Resident" when you are really trying to be a "Dual Resident"?
I've asked/talked about this before, but could never get a straight answer, so I've never brought a pistol in from Texas.
Do this at your own risk until the whole pistol situation is sorted out.

[DDT]

whilst California allows for new residents to move into California with their Non-California pistols, it does not address Dual Residents.

You opened a very interesting can of worms indeed.

12001(n) defines what a personal handgun importer is. It is interesting that it says only people moving here after Jan 1, 1998 qualify.

12072(f)(2)(A) requires anyone who is a "personal handgun importer" to register handguns imported into the state within 60 days of the gun entering CA.

Now, if one has residency per BATF that permits them to legally buy handguns in another state and that person has been a resident of CA since before Jan 1, 1998 they cannot be considered a "personal handgun importer" and therefore aren't required by 12072(f) to register their handguns in CA.

Surely I am missing something here. Can someone point to the legislation that makes it illegal for a resident to import a legally owned handgun UNLESS they qualify as a "personal handgun importer?"

[Nick the Sniper]

The whole concept of "state citizenship" came out of the Slaughterhouse cases and Ward v. Maryland.

It's not a "concept" it's what existed before the creation of the statutory "federal" citizenship.

[Nick the Sniper]

Surely I am missing something here. Can someone point to the legislation that makes it illegal for a resident to import a legally owned handgun UNLESS they qualify as a "personal handgun importer?"


PC sections 12001(n), 12072(f)(2) seems to be the only authority. So it would seem that there is no statute making it illegal to import a legally owned handgun UNLESS qualified as a PHI.

[NiteQwill]

You fill out the DOJ form, send the $19. Maybe the tin foil hats are on too tight. I've never heard of this being an issue.

[kar6man]

wow a ton of info here. So I'll let you guys know what's going on any maybe you can help me in the right direction.

I am going to Reno next weekend. I live in CA. I want to get a Nevada seasonal ID card to buy off roster pistols. I am not going to rent a place in Nevada only to do this. From my understanding I need to take in my CDL, SS card, certified birth certificate and proof of residency in Nevada? In theory could I rent a mailbox at say a UPS Store? and use that as my NV address only for the ID, and forward some of my CA mail to the box in NV?

Lastly, which DMV office is suggested going to in the Reno area? I'm willing to travel a little ways to get this done.

[Mazilla]

wow a ton of info here. So I'll let you guys know what's going on any maybe you can help me in the right direction.

I am going to Reno next weekend. I live in CA. I want to get a Nevada seasonal ID card to buy off roster pistols. I know it's probably not going to be legal but I am not going to rent a place in Nevada only to do this. From my understanding I need to take in my CDL, SS card, certified birth certificate and proof of residency in Nevada? In theory could I rent a mailbox at say a UPS Store? and use that as my NV address only for the ID, and forward some of my CA mail to the box in NV?

Lastly, which DMV office is suggested going to in the Reno area? I'm willing to travel a little ways to get this done.


Smooooth

:banghead:

[NSR500]

wow a ton of info here. So I'll let you guys know what's going on any maybe you can help me in the right direction.

I am going to Reno next weekend. I live in CA. I want to get a Nevada seasonal ID card to buy off roster pistols. I am not going to rent a place in Nevada only to do this. From my understanding I need to take in my CDL, SS card, certified birth certificate and proof of residency in Nevada? In theory could I rent a mailbox at say a UPS Store? and use that as my NV address only for the ID, and forward some of my CA mail to the box in NV?

Lastly, which DMV office is suggested going to in the Reno area? I'm willing to travel a little ways to get this done.

What don't you understand about the concept of "Dual Residency"? You cannot just have a "P.O. Box" or "Rented Mailbox".
You have to have the infrastructure that allows you to Live in the second State, and you have to really Live in the second State.
The Nevada seasonal resident ID has requirements that a mailbox will not meet. Secondly, whilst I may sound overly cautious, you'd best read the following part of this discussion:
03-17-2009 08:41 PM
DDT

Originally Posted by NSR500
whilst California allows for new residents to move into California with their Non-California pistols, it does not address Dual Residents.
You opened a very interesting can of worms indeed.

12001(n) defines what a personal handgun importer is. It is interesting that it says only people moving here after Jan 1, 1998 qualify.

12072(f)(2)(A) requires anyone who is a "personal handgun importer" to register handguns imported into the state within 60 days of the gun entering CA.

Now, if one has residency per BATF that permits them to legally buy handguns in another state and that person has been a resident of CA since before Jan 1, 1998 they cannot be considered a "personal handgun importer" and therefore aren't required by 12072(f) to register their handguns in CA.

Surely I am missing something here. Can someone point to the legislation that makes it illegal for a resident to import a legally owned handgun UNLESS they qualify as a "personal handgun importer?"



03-17-2009 07:38 PM
NSR500 Something to consider for you guys thinking about Dual State Residency for the purpose of acquiring Pistols that are not California Certified...

You might be treading into a gray area that may get you into trouble. The reason I say this is because whilst California allows for new residents to move into California with their Non-California pistols, it does not address Dual Residents.
How can you consider yourself a "New Resident" when you are really trying to be a "Dual Resident"?
I've asked/talked about this before, but could never get a straight answer, so I've never brought a pistol in from Texas.
Do this at your own risk until the whole pistol situation is sorted out.

If you proceed to try an acquire Non-California pistols by a fraudulent declaration & practice of Dual State Residency, you'd be breaking the law.