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BaronW
03-06-2009, 2:20 PM
So I wanted to buy an M1 Garand or M1 Carbine depending on which weapon my Grandfather was carrying at Inchon. Well, it turns out Grandpa had a BAR. :chris: While that's really neat and makes me proud of my lineage, the CMP doesn't carry the M1918. HOWEVER, he also carried a 45! What is the closest I can get to Grandpa's sidearm within the confines of our safe handgun list? Thanks.

bohoki
03-06-2009, 2:44 PM
i was going to say just like a ww2 one but a little more beat up and older

Kruzr
03-06-2009, 2:47 PM
What is the closest I can get to Grandpa's sidearm within the confines of our safe handgun list?
The Springfield WWII replica.

dustoff31
03-06-2009, 2:48 PM
In all probability it would be a M1911A1, although there might have been a few 1911's still in inventory in the 50's.

And yes it would appear exactly like a WWII pistol as none were made after 1945.

Blue
03-06-2009, 3:06 PM
http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=1

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical%20Look%20at%20Springfield%20Mil%20Spec_fi les/image004.jpg

Fjold
03-06-2009, 3:08 PM
i was going to say just like a ww2 one but a little more beat up and older

The Korean Conflict was after WWII so it would be younger.

Blue
03-06-2009, 3:14 PM
This one was made in 1918, and then rebuilt sometime in the 40's. Then the wifes grandpa got a hold of it and ruined the damned thing.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f73/Blue84s10/003.jpg

USMC Tanker
03-06-2009, 5:39 PM
The Korean Conflict was after WWII so it would be younger.

As stated earlier, no government 1911s were made after 1945...

Gator Monroe
03-06-2009, 5:57 PM
a 1945 Ithaca USGI 1911A1 sounds about right for the Korean Conflict !

scr83jp
03-06-2009, 7:08 PM
a 1945 Ithaca USGI 1911A1 sounds about right for the Korean Conflict !
I purchased a Remington 1911A1 from the NRA for about $15 in 1962 ,came with the original box & magazine, & cleaning rod at the time 1903 Springfields & Remington 03A3's were selling for about $15 as were carbines & Garands were $49.95

BaronW
03-06-2009, 10:37 PM
Hm, I'm kinda torn between the Colt 1991 (where I'd have to get an arched lanyard MSH and a shorter trigger) and the auto ordinance GI. I guess It'll come down to what's available when the money's there.

USMC Tanker
03-07-2009, 12:59 PM
Springfield GI all the way...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/Weapons/DSC01347.jpg

When I bought mine, I was considering the Auto Ordnance, but the early problems of the AO and the lifetime warranty of the Springfield won me over.

Colt
03-07-2009, 6:15 PM
You can find something close to exact on GB and other sites. Since anything Korean War vintage would be 50+ years old you can bring it in. Why not look for the real thing?

Good luck.

vf111
03-08-2009, 12:00 AM
I agree w/ ^. If you want a USGI 1911, why not get one instead of a clone? The downside of course is cost: the modern clones go for about $500-600 while a USGI would be minimum $1K all the way up to $3K (or more) for a pristine all-original Colt. And the real McCoys are C&R so you don't have to worry about the list.

otteray
03-08-2009, 8:13 AM
Springfield GI all the way...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/Weapons/DSC01347.jpg

When I bought mine, I was considering the Auto Ordnance, but the early problems of the AO and the lifetime warranty of the Springfield won me over.

Good luck finding one. Last time I checked, there was a 6 month backlog on orders.
I love mine; simple and reliable pure old timey goodness, 'cept for the well disguised lock.
Springfield kindly included instruction on how to remove it, permanently, if desired.

chuck762
03-08-2009, 2:19 PM
a 1945 Ithaca USGI 1911A1 sounds about right for the Korean Conflict !

Really? Armories were filled with 1911s of any and all manufactures and years. Even finding one that was complete by the same company would be difficult as military arms are rebuilt often and parts are swapped around with little regard to keeping them collector correct. Just look at the mix of parts that the CMP Garands come with.

In my arms rooms (84 to 86 I miss being able to fondle all that history :( ) I had 1911s, 1911A1s from every manufacture the military ever purchased a 1911 from. I can't imagine it was much different in the 50s with 1911s having just gone through WW2 and needing work.


The BAR is still available and can even be brought into cali http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/SLR-semi.html but it costs a bunch. A new GI Springfield as said would probably be the most affordable. Gun Broker will show up original 1911s but will cost ya. In reality a mixmaster 1911 of the correct year could be correct.

SVT-40
03-09-2009, 12:33 AM
The most common 1911A1 would have been to Remington Rand made pistol. They can be found on GB in excellent condition.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5538-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5547.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5559-1.jpg

Gator Monroe
03-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Really? Armories were filled with 1911s of any and all manufactures and years. Even finding one that was complete by the same company would be difficult as military arms are rebuilt often and parts are swapped around with little regard to keeping them collector correct. Just look at the mix of parts that the CMP Garands come with.

In my arms rooms (84 to 86 I miss being able to fondle all that history :( ) I had 1911s, 1911A1s from every manufacture the military ever purchased a 1911 from. I can't imagine it was much different in the 50s with 1911s having just gone through WW2 and needing work.


The BAR is still available and can even be brought into cali http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/SLR-semi.html but it costs a bunch. A new GI Springfield as said would probably be the most affordable. Gun Broker will show up original 1911s but will cost ya. In reality a mixmaster 1911 of the correct year could be correct.
OK I agree (My Mixmaster Colt Slide/1945 Ithaca Frame USGI 1911A1) WOULD BE MORE OF A correct pistol from the Korean conflict ... (But I'm sure there were plenty of unmolested previously unissued originals used also :D

BaronW
03-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Really? Armories were filled with 1911s of any and all manufactures and years. Even finding one that was complete by the same company would be difficult as military arms are rebuilt often and parts are swapped around with little regard to keeping them collector correct. Just look at the mix of parts that the CMP Garands come with.

In my arms rooms (84 to 86 I miss being able to fondle all that history :( ) I had 1911s, 1911A1s from every manufacture the military ever purchased a 1911 from. I can't imagine it was much different in the 50s with 1911s having just gone through WW2 and needing work.


The BAR is still available and can even be brought into cali http://www.ohioordnanceworks.com/semi-auto/SLR-semi.html but it costs a bunch. A new GI Springfield as said would probably be the most affordable. Gun Broker will show up original 1911s but will cost ya. In reality a mixmaster 1911 of the correct year could be correct.

Oh wow, I didn't know those were available. All I found on GB was a single-shot neutered BAR for $4,800. Still, that's way out of my price range for the foreseeable future. I've also reconsidered the Kahr/Auto Ordinance after reading troubling reports of front sight loss and slow warranty service. Until I can afford a C&R relic, an RIA will do for shooting communist coke cans. The nice thing about replicating a Korean war pistol is I don't have to worry about trying to find a pristine all-matching M1911, if anything a re-arsenalized franken-forty-five is more plausibly what he carried!

dilligaffrn
03-10-2009, 10:37 AM
The most common 1911A1 would have been to Remington Rand made pistol. They can be found on GB in excellent condition.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5538-1.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5547.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Pistols/IMG_5559-1.jpg

Looks like mine (my ser. no. made in 1944).