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Rob Roy
03-03-2009, 9:17 PM
Please, recommend 1911 with 3-4" barrel around $1K, desirably as close as possible to 10 round capacity.
EDIT: The caliber is .45

Quiet
03-03-2009, 9:23 PM
Para-Ordnance P-13.45

Scooterg55
03-03-2009, 9:25 PM
Springfield EMP 9mm 9+1 capacity

http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr260/sgilworth/EMP1.jpg

Sam
03-03-2009, 9:38 PM
10 capacity is overrated, you should try a single stack. Around that price point, the Dan Wesson Bobtail is a good choice.

WRENCHHEAD
03-03-2009, 9:42 PM
nice looking EMP!

Black Majik
03-03-2009, 9:44 PM
Please, recommend 1911 with 3-4" barrel around $1K, desirably as close as possible to 10 round capacity.

Stick with a PRO or commander size frame so you can run 10 round single stack magazines. I'd recommend minimum going for a Commander length 1911 however.

Snapping Twig
03-03-2009, 11:09 PM
Commander size 4.25" and an 8 round magazine.

I'm sold on the DW CBOB, YMMV.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/SnappingTwig1/P2260010.jpg

NiteQwill
03-03-2009, 11:15 PM
Is this for carry or duty use?

If carry, look at the Kimber Ultra lines. Very nice, accurate 3" 1911.

Stick with 8 rd capacity or you'll have an extra 2" sticking out the magwell (unless you don't mind, of course).

mvpatriot
03-03-2009, 11:19 PM
Dan Wesson has some nice models

Rob Roy
03-03-2009, 11:36 PM
This is for HD/SD. I am considering either Colt Defender or
Kimber Tactical Ultra II. What do you think?

NiteQwill
03-04-2009, 6:51 AM
This is for HD/SD. I am considering either Colt Defender or
Kimber Tactical Ultra II. What do you think?


For SD/HD, I would recommend nothing less than a full 5" IMHO.

Butter
03-04-2009, 9:33 AM
Same as above. If it's a house gun, get the biggest hand howitzer you can handle reliably and well. Without a need to carry it hidden on your person, a longer barrel with more weight up front means less muzzle rise and better sight radius. Plus, depending on your hand size, a better grip can be accomodated with a standard size gun.

Small generally means two things: Smaller hands and CCW. And just because a gun is smaller, definitely does not mean it handles better. There's a balance that you'll have to find.

will227457
03-04-2009, 12:12 PM
para ordinance wart hog

10round capacity 3in barrel .45acp....

Sam
03-04-2009, 1:16 PM
yeah, if this isn't going to be carried then get a gov't model.

the_donald_
03-04-2009, 1:35 PM
All Steel 5 inch hand cannon. 8+1 in the pipe, if you're not carrying it, the extra weight and barrel length doesn't matter. Accuracy over quantity.

dgey
03-04-2009, 2:41 PM
for HD/SD I'd get something that's easier go shoot. bigger is better here. under the stress of defending your home and loved ones, your shooting skills diminish by at least 50%...

zman
03-04-2009, 2:47 PM
+1

Dan Wesson Classic Bobtail (CBOB)
http://cz-usa.com/data/productimg/main066.png

JMB1911
03-04-2009, 6:14 PM
Springfield Champion. 4 inch bull barrelled single stack 1911. Like this:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=156100

Shameless plug, I know. But seriously, it's a shooter. The bull barrel adds muzzle weight so the shooting dynamics equals that of a government model 1911.

Sam
03-04-2009, 6:42 PM
All Steel 5 inch hand cannon. 8+1 in the pipe, if you're not carrying it, the extra weight and barrel length doesn't matter. Accuracy over quantity.



Even then, with a good holster the weight and barrel length don't matter anymore.

fr0ng
03-04-2009, 6:58 PM
Get the full size. You'll love it.

http://www.fr0ng.com/pics/trp.jpg

dfletcher
03-04-2009, 6:59 PM
Based on those criteria, a Para Warthog or an older P10 - essentially the same thing - is about as close as you can get. I have one, it shoots very well. Personally I kind of like my Detonics and DW CBOB better, but the Para is a good gun.

Rob Roy
03-04-2009, 10:15 PM
Many say the bigger is better but we are talking about very close distances in HD/SD, therefore I disagree full size is the only way to go. Also, I disagree that what is good for CCW is not good for HD.

Rob Roy
03-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Based on those criteria, a Para Warthog or an older P10 - essentially the same thing - is about as close as you can get. I have one, it shoots very well. Personally I kind of like my Detonics and DW CBOB better, but the Para is a good gun.
This one is an interesting gun, but isn't the grip too short on it?

slick_711
03-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Why on earth do you want a short barrel and 10 rounds... the slide is easy to conceal, the frame is the part that patterns. And if it's not for carry, get a full size Gov't. If it is for carry, unless you're tiny, get a full size Gov't.

Sam
03-05-2009, 12:35 AM
Many say the bigger is better but we are talking about very close distances in HD/SD, therefore I disagree full size is the only way to go. Also, I disagree that what is good for CCW is not good for HD.

How do you figure? With a full size gun you have a larger frame for a better hold and you have a longer slide which means more weight for recoil control and a longer sight radius. I'll agree with you that the two categories aren't necessarily exclusive.

Butter
03-05-2009, 9:21 AM
Have to agree with Sam here. Try this little experiment if you have some buds with guns who own standard size handguns as well as their "sample" sized counterparts.

For instance, for revolvers, shoot a couple of rounds of .357 magnums out of a 686 S&W and then do the same out of one their Airweight J-Frames. See how well you control which using the same power loads.

Do the same with a Glock or an XD or whatever with the standard pistol and their compact siblings. Not saying that the minature sizes aren't great shooters or that others can't shoot them well. But in general, my experience is that the bigger and the heavier, the easier it is to control and get follow up shots on target. If carrying it is not the issue, one of the big reasons, if not the only reason, for the compact models being offered, then why limit yourself?

The other thing to note is that with less barrel length you do decrease the ability of the bullet to accelerate and get less oomph from shorter barrels than longer ones in pistols. Might be something to consider for full expansion of hollow points. Though I have heard that there are some cartridges out there now that are especially made for snubbies and compacts with their shorter barrels.

Sam
03-05-2009, 10:24 AM
The other thing to note is that with less barrel length you do decrease the ability of the bullet to accelerate and get less oomph from shorter barrels than longer ones in pistols. Might be something to consider for full expansion of hollow points. Though I have heard that there are some cartridges out there now that are especially made for snubbies and compacts with their shorter barrels.

Excellent point. I want to say 100 lbs per foot is lost per barrel inch shortened...although don't quote me on that. You also have to be aware that gov't models usually have much better reliability than their shorter counterparts.