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Doheny
02-24-2009, 9:12 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/24/switzerland.gun.army.referendum/


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pullnshoot25
02-24-2009, 9:30 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

The Swiss can't let this happen, this is wrong!

Dr Rockso
02-24-2009, 9:40 AM
Ugh, this seems to come up every year. The 2007 law it mentions wasn't a ban on ammo, IIRC, it was some restriction on the amount of government provided ammo a person could have. They could still stock up on their own dime for recreational shooting.

DB2
02-24-2009, 9:44 AM
From CNN.

(CNN) -- Switzerland's part-time soldiers could lose their famous right to store their weapons at home.


Switzerland's part-time soldiers could lose the right to store their weapons at home.

A coalition led by the country's Social Democrat party and the Greens has collected nearly 120,000 signatures to force a national referendum on whether the weapons should be stored at military bases.

The coalition of 74 groups says the weapons are involved in too many suicides and murders in the country and tighter controls are needed.

Switzerland's armed forces consist of just a few thousand permanent full-time staff, with the rest essentially a militia.

Service in the militia is compulsory for men aged between 19 and 31 and in between call-ups they store their weapons at home. There are currently around 220,000 conscripts.

However, a 2007 law change banned the storage of ammunition in homes. The coalition is looking to extend this, control the purchase of military weapons and set up a national gun register.

Green lawmaker Josef Lang said more than 1.5 million unused weapons were kept in Swiss homes.

Lang said their presence "at the heart" of the population could not be justified.

He said a national register had to be created to keep track of the weapons, something police had long been seeking.

Lang said the weapons had to be "banished" from homes.

Barbara Weil, of the Swiss Medical Association, said it had been scientifically proven that if the guns were less freely available the number of suicides would drop.

The studies had also shown that other methods of suicide did not increase in countries who had brought in stricter gun controls.

The coalition estimates that 300 deaths annually are connected to gun use.

Palindari
02-24-2009, 9:44 AM
Actually, this may get passed, if what they say is true and those 300 deaths a year are related to military issued hardware.

It's a liability issue here. Even the US Armed Forces keeps their weapons under strict lock and key durng peacetime.

If a Swiss soldier goes and shoots someone with a government issued weapon - sadly, they are liable for damages... :(

BroncoBob
02-24-2009, 9:55 AM
OMG they have their own Brady bunch.

Suvorov
02-24-2009, 9:57 AM
Proof that gun grabbing is an internationalist effort. :(

MP301
02-24-2009, 10:04 AM
If someone wants to check out, they will find a way to do it, with or without a Gov. issued gun. What I would like to know is how bad is the Swiss violent crime rate with these guns available. You can watch it go up if they pass this...

Glock22Fan
02-24-2009, 10:06 AM
The coalition of 74 groups says the weapons are involved in too many suicides and murders in the country and tighter controls are needed.

Switzerland, the murder capital of the world,





NOT.

gtmmark
02-24-2009, 10:37 AM
I have a friend in Switzerland it seems in the last ten years there have been a some highly publicized incidents involving stolen military rifles including a shooting at the Zug Kantonsrat and a HEAT style bank robbery using government owned weapons. Until the 2007 ban the government actually only issued 50 rounds of GP90 in a special spam can tin to be kept at home, GP11 and GP90 may still be purchase at a subsidized price for rifle practice at shooting ranges but can't be removed from the range.

Palindari
02-24-2009, 11:37 AM
lol... yeah the Swiss are not known for their militant banking ways ;)

elsensei
02-24-2009, 11:39 AM
freaking idiots.

instead of arguing with people in this country, any more i am telling them that if they're not happy in a free country, they should move to any one of a number of ready-made socialist nations. The men in switzerland ought to say the same to this so-called 'coalition of 74 groups" who are intent on wussifying the country.

DDT
02-24-2009, 12:32 PM
If a Swiss soldier goes and shoots someone with a government issued weapon - sadly, they are liable for damages... :(

You've been living the in US too long. Not every country has our eff'ed up tort system.

nick
02-24-2009, 12:43 PM
Man, why is it that in the Western world there's always a sizable part of the population bent on destroying the very countries which make them possible? This is wrong on so many levels.

nick
02-24-2009, 12:44 PM
You've been living the in US too long. Not every country has our eff'ed up tort system.

+1. They're catching up though.

alpha_romeo_XV
02-24-2009, 12:44 PM
Its just so easy to point the finger at guns as THE PROBLEM. Switzerland has one of the highest tax rates in the world (to fund all their social programs). Maybe that should be blamed as a cause of high suicide and murder rates – and then appropriate “controls/changes” suggested and implemented.

nick
02-24-2009, 12:46 PM
Oh, and I bet rapidly deploying the said militia (not to mention training it rather that letting them do part of the training themselves) is going to be a piece of cake now. Of course, it doesn't matter, because nobody should have guns. If there were no guns, there wouldn't be any wars, right?

DDT
02-24-2009, 12:58 PM
because nobody should have guns. If there were no guns, there wouldn't be any wars, right?

No, they'd just be really really short and we know who'd win.

nick
02-24-2009, 1:00 PM
No, they'd just be really really short and we know who'd win.

The Berkeley protesters flinging poo? :)

DDT
02-24-2009, 1:14 PM
The Berkeley protesters flinging poo? :)

Exactly, I'm sure those who invade from a nation without such restrictions will be appropriately afraid of the poo slingers.

Afterall: If you're willing to pay any price for peace.... well, that's what they'll charge.

Macadelic4
02-24-2009, 1:17 PM
Man, just when I was daydreaming about living there for the skiing, chocolate, mil-issue hardware...

RIP Swiss rights.