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ChibiPaw
02-19-2009, 8:42 AM
I take night classes at various community colleges to continuously add to my skill sets. Upon arriving to class lastnight there were talks among the professor and students of robbery that just occurred on campus.

This is the second incident from what I know in the past week or so. The perp demanded money and cell phones. So much for calling 911. Pretty run of the mill robbery.

What was must interesting was the talk in among everyone. Gun control didn't come up as a topic at all thankfully. Everyone was more worried about how not to get caught in the situation including a discussion the campus escorts walking people to the local train station.

I have raise a question that, since the perp was armed. What stops a perp from robbing both you and your yellow vested escort at gun point? One person actually suggested running (hehe out run a bullet) , but most everyone just gave a blank stare to each others. One kid joking blurbed out that we should arm everyone, and started a brief discussion on the idea tho I think none of them took it seriously. The professor mentioned that she wouldn't know what to do with a gun, but I explained that is the same with anyone given say, a car. Training is required to both operate a gun or a car properly.

I proceed to explain to everyone why "guns free zone" is a magnet for crime. I also explained that the campus police are completely useless, since they're not armed either. I know this is a very well beaten dead horse, but are there any chance at all that some how, some way, that "guns free zone" can ever be over turned? Or is this one of those things that is more or less a permanent loss?

Ptack1
02-19-2009, 8:44 AM
At San Jose State, campus police is our escorts if we want one, and they are armed.

I guess the theory behind an escort is safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, they wouldnt be able to do much either.

ChibiPaw
02-19-2009, 8:47 AM
At San Jose State, campus police is our escorts if we want one, and they are armed.

I guess the theory behind an escort is safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, they wouldnt be able to do much either.

See if, they're armed, then that won't so bad. I guess SJ State had enough of a history that they wised up. Hehe Im kinda of wondering now for the cannon fodder yellow vest.. do they get paid enough to be meat bullet shields?

WokMaster1
02-19-2009, 8:48 AM
At San Jose State, campus police is our escorts if we want one, and they are armed.

I guess the theory behind an escort is safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, they wouldnt be able to do much either.

That theory translate to herding cattle around. Only the cowboys are armed.

ivanimal
02-19-2009, 8:52 AM
I take night classes at various community colleges to continuously add to my skill sets. Upon arriving to class lastnight there were talks among the professor and students of robbery that just occurred on campus.

Very close to Ocean View, a very bad neighborhood.

This is the second incident from what I know in the past week or so. The perp demanded money and cell phones. So much for calling 911. Pretty run of the mill robbery.

What was must interesting was the talk in among everyone. Gun control didn't come up as a topic at all thankfully. Everyone was more worried about how not to get caught in the situation including a discussion the campus escorts walking people to the local train station.

Thats effective as robbers dont like multiple witnesses usually.

I have raise a question that, since the perp was armed. What stops a perp from robbing both you and your yellow vested escort at gun point? One person actually suggested running (hehe out run a bullet) , but most everyone just gave a blank stare to each others. One kid joking blurbed out that we should arm everyone, and started a brief discussion on the idea tho I think none of them took it seriously. The professor mentioned that she wouldn't know what to do with a gun, but I explained that is the same with anyone given say, a car. Training is required to both operate a gun or a car properly.

Good argument.

I proceed to explain to everyone why "guns free zone" is a magnet for crime. I also explained that the campus police are completely useless, since they're not armed either. I know this is a very well beaten dead horse, but are there any chance at all that some how, some way, that "guns free zone" can ever be over turned? Or is this one of those things that is more or less a permanent loss?

There is some talk of changing the policy to include CCW recipients, that wont help many in S.F. Other states may get some change. I doubt CA ever will.

To many grovelling gun haters in this state for much chance of school policies to ever change. That is MY opinion.

tango-52
02-19-2009, 9:49 AM
In California, if you have a California CCW, you have the legal right to CCW on campus. School policy may forbid it, but they can only expel you, not prosecute you. Don't ask, don't tell.

chickenfried
02-19-2009, 9:59 AM
Description of two robberies

Office of the Chief

DATE: February 12, 2009

TO: Administration, Faculty, Staff and Students

FROM: Dean Rodney Santos, Acting Dean of Public Safety

SUBJECT: ROBBERY WITH WEAPON

This bulletin is to alert all faculty, staff, and students of 2 robberies that occurred at gunpoint. The details are as follows:

#1 – On 2-6-09, at 9:20 P.M., a CCSF student was robbed at gunpoint in the 300 block of Judson Ave., (in front of the Environmental Horticulture Bldg.).

The victim was approached while exiting her vehicle by 3-African American males. One suspect was armed with a gun, pointed the gun at her and demanded her possessions. All 3-male suspects fled with the victim’s cash and her cell phone. The cell phone was later recovered in the bushes near the scene. The suspects were last seen headed in the direction of Gennessee St. The victim was unharmed and immediately reported this incident to Campus Police.

The suspects were described as 3-African American males, slender build, 16 to18 years of age, and approx. 5’6” to 5’9”.

#2 – On 2-10-09, at 4:34 P.M., a CCSF student was robbed at gunpoint in the H parking lot, behind Conlan Hall, near the pedestrian overpass that leads to Ocean/Geneva Aves.

The victim was leaving the campus on his bicycle, when he was approached by a suspect, carrying a small handgun. The suspect pointed the gun at the victim and demanded his I-Phone. The victim struggled with the suspect while yelling for help; however, no one responded. The victim was finally overcome by the suspect who unsuccessfully attempted to take his bicycle. The suspect fled toward Cloud Circle. The victim sustained a cut to his finger during the struggle.

The suspect was described as an African American male, thin build, early 20’s, approx. 6’ tall, wearing blue jeans and a black hooded sweatshirt.

The S.F. Community College Police has increased patrols throughout the campus.

If anyone has information regarding these cases, please contact the San Francisco Community College Police Department at 239-3200, or the San Francisco Police Department, Robbery Detail at 553-1201. If you are a victim of a crime, get to a safe location and immediately call 911.

SF interactive crime map. Kind of fun, I always play around with it to see how much activity is around my buddy's house in bayview/hunter's point.

http://www.sfgov.org/site/police_index.asp?id=23813

dodgeit101
02-19-2009, 10:53 AM
I go to SF state and there's always some kind of strong arm robbery every other month. I remember reading one of the flyers the robber just jumped off the bus and robbed 4-6 people on the spot. This was at the bus stop at 19th and Holloway around 7pm so it's not some kind of desolated street.

Getting a CCW in SF would be nearly impossible just because well, it's SF. If you did get one you probably should buy a lottery ticket too. I use to live around City College. I use to drive to a friends house who lived on Phelan, I wouldn't want to be caught walking down there after dark.

I use to walk from work around 10:00pm back to my house which was right in the middle of Ingleside all last year, nothing bad ever happen to me. I always made sure nobody was following and if someone was walking towards me, I clutched my keys between my fingers just in case.

CCWFacts
02-19-2009, 11:20 AM
Technically, SF City College isn't a gun free zone. There may well campus regs that prohibit people who are affiliated with the campus, like students and teachers, from carrying on campus, but anyone with a California CCW (that doesn't have some kind of restriction on it) could carry there.

But yeah, practically, it's gun-free. But then, so is all the rest of SF. I assume robbers come from other nearby parts of the Bay Area for SF. Rich people, no one is armed. Why shop anywhere else?

yellowfin
02-19-2009, 11:40 AM
It's going to get really interesting once campus carry gets passed in a few big states and students coming from CA get exposed to it and come back home demanding carry rights.

whatever
02-19-2009, 11:44 AM
I remember reading that the head of campus security quit because he couldn't convince the management to let his officers arm themselves.

I'm at SFSU and there are campus police officers armed with Sig Sauers. We still have the occasional robbery but that's usually when someone steps awway from their laptop and it gets snatched.

I had the choice of taking a class at City College or CSM, I chose the latter due to it being much safer.

ravenbkp
02-19-2009, 2:22 PM
It is worse than that! the chancellor actually disarmed their department several years ago. Then when a staffer knocked an officer down with a car he thought it was ok for her to come back to work there while the SFPD pursued felony charges against her......... better yet he was upset because he had no say in whether charges would be brought..........yeeha!!

Bruce
02-19-2009, 2:48 PM
At San Jose State, campus police is our escorts if we want one, and they are armed.

I guess the theory behind an escort is safety in numbers. But if it came down to it, they wouldnt be able to do much either.

More targets.;)

Fate
02-19-2009, 3:00 PM
The victim was leaving the campus on his bicycle, when he was approached by a suspect, carrying a small handgun. The suspect pointed the gun at the victim and demanded his I-Phone. The victim struggled with the suspect while yelling for help; however, no one responded. The victim was finally overcome by the suspect who unsuccessfully attempted to take his bicycle. The suspect fled toward Cloud Circle. The victim sustained a cut to his finger during the struggle.

Perp got nothing? LOL. My money is on an airsoft pistol being used.

ldivinag
02-19-2009, 8:26 PM
the UC and CSU campuses employ POST certified cops.

ARMED cops.

chickenfried
02-19-2009, 8:39 PM
http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/Public_Safety/geninfofaq.html#3


Q: Are you the real police?
A: Yes, we are police officers. ....... The officers employed by the Community College District must graduate from a POST Certified academy ......

the UC and CSU campuses employ POST certified cops.