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aileron
02-19-2009, 6:59 AM
Good news, for out of state Utah CCW instructors. :)

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11732646


Utah gun-rights groups pan NRA-backed change to weapons bill

By Sheena Mcfarland

The Salt Lake Tribune
Posted: 02/18/2009 03:47:02 PM MST

Utah won't ban out-of-state instructors from qualifying people for a concealed weapon permit despite worries from the gun-rights community about abuses that could erode the value of a Utah permit in other states.

Rep. Curt Oda, R-Clearfield, originally was going to push an outright prohibition, but substituted his bill after speaking with lobbyists from the National Rifle Association. Now, his HB204 creates a formal complaint process to address issues with nonresident instructors. An instructor who has complaints is entitled to a hearing, and if found guilty, could lose his or her teaching license and concealed weapon permit for up to seven years.

Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, worries states, such as Nevada, that have expressed concerns about nonresident instructors may now stop accepting Utah's permit.

Charles Hardy, Gun Owners of Utah policy director, said he is "deeply concerned" about the new bill.

"We support the right to legally defend ourselves, but unfortunately an outside entity disregarded what was best for Utah," Hardy said. "We usually agree with the NRA, but on this one they didn't do us any favors."

The substitute bill passed a House committee and goes to the full House for further debate.

smcfarland@sltrib.com

Anthonysmanifesto
02-19-2009, 7:04 AM
After speaking with the right people....

CavTrooper
02-19-2009, 7:23 AM
After speaking with the right people....

Will they still be "the right people" when other states start cancelling thier reciprocity with Utah?

Im glad Utah is trying to minimize the potential damage to the integrity of its CCW permits, hopefully this will help keep it widely avalible and widely recognized.

bulgron
02-19-2009, 7:59 AM
Will they still be "the right people" when other states start cancelling thier reciprocity with Utah?


Somehow I doubt that there are any other states who are considering canceling their Utah reciprocity. You'll note that no one ever identified what states those might be .....

Glock22Fan
02-19-2009, 8:24 AM
Seems like a victory for common sense to me. And let us not forget that Nevada is new to this. It's been, what, less than a year since they first recognized anyone's non-resident permit?

And, for those who haven't been following the other thread, the two "gentlemen" who oppose this change both have a vested financial interest in the other (original) bill passing. And, so far, the only "evidence" that Nv is unhappy is the statements one of these keeps making.

I'd be unhappy if Nv cancelled their reciprocity, but I'm far from convinced, on the current evidence, that this is likely. After all, a variety of certificates such as NRA Basic Handgun Course satisfies Florida, you don't have to be certified by a Fl certified instructor, so they have far less control than Utah.

hoffmang
02-19-2009, 11:54 AM
Will they still be "the right people" when other states start cancelling thier reciprocity with Utah?

Im glad Utah is trying to minimize the potential damage to the integrity of its CCW permits, hopefully this will help keep it widely avalible and widely recognized.

Why are you so gung-ho to see UT limit access to CCW?

-Gene

CavTrooper
02-19-2009, 1:50 PM
Why are you so gung-ho to see UT limit access to CCW?

-Gene

I dont belive my statement made any sort inference to that being my position. In fact, Im happy theyve come up with a plan to limit the potential "damage" to thier CCW.