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bohoki
02-18-2009, 3:27 PM
is it true that the only way the glocks and xd pistols can be imported because the little dished out area for the thumb?

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hs-xd-3.jpg

http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/glock17.jpg

jumbopanda
02-18-2009, 3:32 PM
wat

sorensen440
02-18-2009, 3:35 PM
umm... no

CSACANNONEER
02-18-2009, 3:44 PM
Thanks for the laugh!

djleisure
02-18-2009, 4:02 PM
Actually, I think it is because of the checkered part on the front of the trigger guard! :D

JK - seriously though, not sure why that would be relevant...

gose
02-18-2009, 4:08 PM
A pistol must score 75 points to pass the ATF "import test". Points given out as follows:
Characteristic Points
Length: for each 1/4" over 6" 1
Forged steel frame 15
Forged HTS alloy frame 20
Unloaded weight w/mag (per oz.) 1
.22 short and .25 auto 0
.22 LR and 7.65mm to .380 auto 3
9mm parabellum and over 10
Locked breech mechanism 5
Loaded chamber indicator 5
Grip safety 3
Magazine safety 5
Firing pin block or lock 10
External hammer 2
Double action 10
Drift adjustable target sight 5
Click adjustable target sight 10
Target grips 5
Target trigger 2

So, potentially, if that area makes the grip a "target grip" it might very well be the 5 points that puts a certain model over the 75 point limit. I doubt that's enough to make it a target grip though... OTOH, the trigger that comes on the imported G26/27s is considered a target trigger and AFAIK that pushes both of them just over 75 points, so anything is possible with the ATF

wildog8812
02-18-2009, 4:09 PM
Never heard of that one

69Mach1
02-18-2009, 4:11 PM
Imported handguns have a stardard to meet. Caliber, size, and other items play a part in that determination. The original gen 1 Glocks did not have the thumbrest, so it's not a dertermining factor on the full size Glocks. I'm not sure about the thumbrests on the mini Glocks. It may play an important role to get it into the States.

ke6guj
02-18-2009, 4:11 PM
gose nailed it. Its all about the points.

IIRC, all glocks are imported with adjustable target sights, even the ones tht are sold with fixed sights. They come in with the targets sights (worth 10 points) and then they swap them out for fixed sights before they ship them to the distributers.

gose
02-18-2009, 4:15 PM
Actually, after some googling it seems like the grip with the area is indeed considered a "target grip", so without it, a few Glock models wouldn't be importable...
So for those of you laughing at the OP... :P

ke6guj
02-18-2009, 4:22 PM
and the points system is why glock doesn't import the .380 versions of some its compacts. .380 is worth 7 less points than a 9mm, even though the firearm is otherwise identical. So, no G25 or G28 for us.

gose
02-18-2009, 4:25 PM
and the points system is why glock doesn't import the .380 versions of some its compacts. .380 is worth 7 less points than a 9mm, even though the firearm is otherwise identical.

The .380s are blowbacks, costing them some extra points as well.

dfletcher
02-18-2009, 4:37 PM
IIRC, the point system (GCA68) is what got adjustable sights on such wonderful target guns as the Llama 380, the Star PD and my least favorite handgun of all time - the mighty Bernadelli 380. I still have a chunk of hand missing because of that little beauty.

Fjold
02-18-2009, 4:57 PM
Actually, after some googling it seems like the grip with the area is indeed considered a "target grip", so without it, a few Glock models wouldn't be importable...
So for those of you laughing at the OP... :P

It's not the only reason though like the thread title says.

gose
02-18-2009, 5:08 PM
It's not the only reason though like the thread title says.

It's the only reason for some of the models, but yeah, it's not the only reason for ALL models.

Fjold
02-18-2009, 5:27 PM
It's the only reason for some of the models, but yeah, it's not the only reason for ALL models.

The target grips are worth 5 points, so it is only one of many other reasons.

If the Glock was a 22 or 25 with no other features that rated points and the target grips were worth 75 points by themselves then it would be the only reason.

diddler
02-18-2009, 5:27 PM
A pistol must score 75 points to pass the ATF "import test".

ATF = WTF?!?

Does the ATF make up rules by throwing darts at a dart board? Decode the ramblings of winos pulled from the local drunk tank? Trained manatee's pulling balls out of a pile?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JEYsMtU2ous/R5TLPgQXzpI/AAAAAAAAAQA/aQcrQOaHVKk/s320/10042_cartman_pissed_about_manatees.jpg

Quiet
02-18-2009, 7:30 PM
The handgun point system and "sporting purpose" definition for importation are a result of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

jamesob
02-18-2009, 7:55 PM
absolutly not. they are allowed here because a former big wig at the atf was paid alot of money. somebody told me the guy now lives in the bahamas.

DDT
02-18-2009, 8:24 PM
It's not the only reason though like the thread title says.

Assuming the "target grip" was added solely for the purposes of gaining enough points to be permitted import then yes "xds can only be imported cause of" them.

bohoki
02-18-2009, 8:50 PM
i guess i should add a supplement woudl they be allowed to be imported without the thumb dishes?

DDT
02-18-2009, 8:54 PM
well I guess technically the thumb dish isn't the ONLY reason they are allowed to be imported. They are also allowed to be imported because they are not nuclear weapons. They are also allowed to be imported because they are not on the no-fly list. They are also allowed to be imported because they are not Roman Polanski.

MrPlutonium
02-18-2009, 9:03 PM
i'm a little confused as to why .22 short and .25 don't get any points. I can see why .25 doesn't but isn't .22 short pretty much purely for sporting purposes nowadays?

OldGunTard
02-18-2009, 10:39 PM
i'm a little confused as to why .22 short and .25 don't get any points. I can see why .25 doesn't but isn't .22 short pretty much purely for sporting purposes nowadays?


Well, .22 short is also used for stunning pigs at contact range.

Anyway, it looks as though the rationale is to limit cheap imports. .25 caliber is generally expressed in cheapish little devices, aye?

Look again at gose's list. My reaction to it is, the greater the technical sophistication of the subject firearm, the more points given.

ke6guj
02-18-2009, 10:49 PM
IIRC, the reason behind the handgun points system was to prohibit the importation of saturday night specials. Remember, RFK was killed with a saturday night special type revolver and they passed the GCA soon after.

nick
02-18-2009, 11:03 PM
It may surprise the lot of you, but our gun laws suck.