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obeygiant
02-17-2009, 10:24 PM
I was told that there was possibly a move to bring all of the BLM land under the National Parks Service and the concern with that being that there would then be a ban on all recreational shooting on BLM land.

Anyone know anything about this and whether it is in fact true?

I did a bit of searching and came across this article on theshootingshow.com.

http://www.theshootingshow.com/2009/02/anti-gun-land-bill-on-the-move/
February 11, 2009
Anti-gun Land Bill On The Move
Filed under: Gun Laws, Hunting — admin @ 11:54 am

Anti-gun Land Bill On The Move S. 22
– House Vote Expected This Week
Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Lost in all the news of the massive bailout bill that just passed the Senate is another enormous bill, one that increases federal control of public and private land.

Of particular concern to gun owners is that the bill, S. 22, will greatly expand the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service. NPS land is currently subject to a gun ban.

While President Bush took steps in the waning days of his presidency to reverse the ban, the new regulations apply to persons who carry a concealed firearm with a permit. Non-permit holders and open carry are not explicitly addressed.

Another eyebrow-raising aspect of this bill is that it is actually a compilation of over 150 separate pieces of legislation that never passed out of Congress on their own merits.

Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) successfully held up over 100 of these bills, until anti-gun Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid rolled all of the bills into one so-called Coburn Omnibus and forced it through the Senate in January on a vote of 73-21.

As the House prepares to take up the bill, the Democrat leadership has taken procedural steps to ensure that the measure cannot be amended or altered in any way. That means that if it passes the House, it goes right to President Obama’s desk, where it will be signed into law.

Here are a few of the more troubling aspects of the bill:

* It authorizes the federal government to buy private land adjacent to national parks and trails. Such land would be controlled by the NPS, and thus be subject to the gun ban.

* The bill federalizes the Washington-Rochambeau Route, a 650 mile trail that stretches from Rhode Island to Virginia and includes sections of major thoroughfares such as Interstate 95 and U.S. Route 1, and passes through cities like Boston and Philadelphia. The entire trail would fall under the NPS and the gun ban.

* The National Landscape Conservation System groups together millions of acres of federal land and places it under one new umbrella agency. The NLCS was created during the Clinton administration and run administratively since then. S. 22 will codify the system, which raises concerns for hunters and sportsmen. Much of this land is consolidated
from the BLM and the Forest Service, which have always allowed hunting and recreational shooting. It is unclear what rules will be promulgated by the new agency and if gun owners’ rights will be protected.

* S. 22 strips out small concessions won by pro-gunners in the House last year that would allow state and local law to govern firearms possession and hunting on certain land.

* S.22 allows for NO amendments. Pro-gun members who want to offer an amendment to fully repeal the NPS gun ban are prevented from doing so by the anti-gun leadership.

The full House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on the bill this Wednesday or Thursday.

Unless the NPS gun ban is repealed and the rights of gun owners are protected, Gun Owners of America opposes the bill in its entirety.

ACTION: Please urge your Representative to repeal the NPS gun ban in S. 22, or to vote against the entire bill. You can go to the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://capwiz.com/gunowners/home/ to send your Representative the pre-written e-mail message below.

—– Prewritten Letter —–

Dear Representative:

I urge you to oppose S. 22, a bill that will greatly expand the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service (NPS).

NPS land is currently subject to a gun ban. While President Bush took steps in the waning days of his presidency to reverse the ban, the new regulations apply to persons who carry a concealed firearm with a permit. Non-permit holders and open carry are not explicitly addressed.
Which is why S. 22 raises so many concerns:

* It authorizes the federal government to buy private land adjacent to national parks and trails. Such land would be controlled by the NPS, and thus be subject to the gun ban.

* The bill federalizes the Washington-Rochambeau Route, a 650 mile trail, and places it under the NPS gun ban.

* S. 22 will codify the National Landscape Conservation System, which raises concerns for hunters and sportsmen. Much of this land is consolidated from the BLM and the Forest Service, which have always allowed hunting and recreational shooting. It is unclear what rules will be promulgated by the new agency and if gun owners’ rights will be protected.

* S. 22 also strips out small concessions which were won in the House last year that would allow state and local law to govern firearms possession and hunting on certain land. But the anti-gun House leadership is preventing any amendments to fully repeal the NPS gun ban.

If these concerns are not corrected in S. 22, I would strongly urge you to vote against it.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

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– House Vote Expected This Week
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
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obeygiant
02-17-2009, 10:29 PM
I also found this
S. 22:Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-22)

Jan 15, 2009: This bill passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals were 73 Ayes, 21 Nays, 4 Present/Not Voting.

triaged
02-19-2009, 8:28 PM
At the very least this could mean revoking of permission to shoot registered AW's on BLM land. I haven't looked into this enough to see any other implications.

For example this from the FAQ
http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm
These authorized destinations include places like your residence(s), business(es), any businesses whose owners give express permission, residences whose owners give specific permission, shooting ranges and gun clubs, firearms exhibitions, on public land if permission is given by managing agency (for example, BLM land), etc.

CavTrooper
02-19-2009, 9:00 PM
At the very least this could mean revoking of permission to shoot registered AW's on BLM land. I haven't looked into this enough to see any other implications.

For example this from the FAQ

Target shooting, hunting, generally possesing firearms is all forbidden on NPS land i believe.

what2be
02-19-2009, 9:13 PM
As far as im concerned BLM land sucks anyway, too many restrictions. Private property is the way to go, barring that, National Forest Service.

Yesterday my father in law was in town, wanted to take me out and have me shoot his black powder rifle. He thinks black powder is the best thing since sliced bread, and was dying to take me out to shoot it. Time was short for me, so I was looking for a quick place to shoot. I thought..hey , down at the south jetty, its blm land, no problem... or so i though.

I get down there, and what do I see , a sign saying horseback riding was only allowed on the west side of the road. Now, I know people duck hunt on the east side of the road, so I figured it was probably NOT okay to shoot on the west side, only the east side. So i drive down the road and find a place to shoot, but before I stop, i figure Ill drive to the end of the jetty.

When I get there, I see a sign saying all firearms are prohibited, unless its waterfowl season (that ended in January). So now im pissed, said screw it, and shot anyway..regardless, too many damn rules. This side or road, that side, waterfowl season...blah blah blah....I spent a hour shooting and left.

Jason762
02-19-2009, 10:48 PM
When I get there, I see a sign saying all firearms are prohibited, unless its waterfowl season (that ended in January). So now im pissed, said screw it, and shot anyway..regardless, too many damn rules. This side or road, that side, waterfowl season...blah blah blah....I spent a hour shooting and left.

Should this be mentioned on a public form?

:TFH::TFH::TFH::TFH:

J/k good on you for shooting your pop's black powder. It's not my ideal of sliced bread, but it's pretty damn fun and I bet you made your pop happy.