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eazyle
02-12-2009, 11:36 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-guns13-2009feb13,0,52723.story

New L.A. gun control law proposed
Two council members want to expand on a state law to make it more difficult for people convicted of certain misdemeanors to own weapons.
By Maeve Reston
9:13 PM PST, February 12, 2009
Just a few weeks after the Los Angeles City Council approved a batch of new gun and ammunition ordinances tightening restrictions on ammunition vendors, council members Jack Weiss and Janice Hahn are proposing a new law that would make it more difficult for individuals convicted of certain misdemeanors to own guns.

The proposal, which Weiss and Hahn plan to introduce as early as today's council meeting, would expand on a state law that bars possession of a gun for 10 years if convicted of certain crimes, including assault, illegal weapons sales or threatening a public official or a witness.


Weiss, a candidate for city attorney in the March 3 primary election, has made gun control one of his top campaign issues.

Weiss and Hahn's measure would add other offenses to the list, including carrying a concealed weapon, possession of an assault weapon, burglary and misdemeanor gang crimes.

Noting that there have been 138 victims of gun violence in L.A. this year, Weiss said it was "time for more aggressive and more creative measures to stop the killing."

Hahn said the measure was intended to target gangs.

"People who commit these types of crimes have already demonstrated bad judgment, and this ordinance gives us one more tool to keep guns out of their hands and off the streets of Los Angeles," she said.

The proposal would require council approval and legal review by the city attorney's office before it is drafted as an ordinance.

maeve.reston@latimes.com

lioneaglegriffin
02-12-2009, 11:52 PM
great, pol trying to pad his anti gun street cred before an election :rolleyes:

vrand
02-13-2009, 12:01 AM
great, pol trying to pad his anti gun street cred before an election :rolleyes:

politician
1. A person who practices politics.

"Politics" is derived from the words "poly" meaning "many", and "tics" meaning "blood-sucking parasites."

2. One who was perfected the art of lying.

3. People that should never, ever be trusted under any circumstances.

yellowfin
02-13-2009, 12:06 AM
Noting that there have been 138 victims of gun violence in L.A. this year, Weiss said it was "time for more aggressive and more creative measures to stop the killing."
Wow, so everyone else who died of violence or ill intent other than those 138 aren't dead because they weren't shot? Knife violence, poison violence, bomb violence, that's all fine and dandy. :rolleyes:

sigsauer887
02-13-2009, 12:50 AM
So whats going to happen to the LAPD officer's who were convicted of those "certain" misdemeanors?

scewper
02-13-2009, 1:35 AM
Sounds like an epidemic, how much % of the LA population is 138?

TheBundo
02-13-2009, 4:20 AM
So whats going to happen to the LAPD officer's who were convicted of those "certain" misdemeanors?

Burglary and gang crime? There are cops that fit that description?

Kid Stanislaus
02-13-2009, 6:21 AM
Sounds like an epidemic, how much % of the LA population is 138?


Not only that, guess just WHERE the overwhelming majority of those 138 were killed, in the suburbs? And guess what race the overwhelming majority of those people were (at least the shooters). Its a well known fact that black on black crime is where the action is in this country, so this bozo wants to paint EVERYBODY with the same brush. Its pure politics, nothing more.

PonchoTA
02-13-2009, 6:25 AM
Sounds like an epidemic, how much % of the LA population is 138?
It doesn't matter, it's for the chiiiiilllllllddrrun!!! :rolleyes:

"If only one life is saved by enacting this measure..." Good grief. :(

JDoe
02-13-2009, 6:27 AM
So the proposed law is intended to keep guns out of the hands of gang members who don't obey laws.

Brilliant!

Tarn_Helm
02-13-2009, 6:53 AM
So the proposed law is intended to keep guns out of the hands of gang members who don't obey laws.

Brilliant!

+1

. . . as usual, creeping nanny-state socialism that promises to take care of you if you agree to forfeit your second most fundamental natural right (your first being your right to life itself). (http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v26n2/cpr-26n2-1.pdf)

Read here (http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v26n2/cpr-26n2-1.pdf) how they did it in England, gradually . . . over decades.

:beatdeadhorse5:
:rant:

DDT
02-13-2009, 10:06 AM
So the proposed law is intended to keep guns out of the hands of gang members who don't obey laws.


Of course not. But if all victims are unarmed perhaps the gang members won't need to kill them, they can just take their stuff and inflict non-lethal injuries.

Cpl_Peters
02-13-2009, 10:13 AM
if thats all there is to the law then i dont think anyone here should be worried. fyi no cops are still cops if they were convicted of any of the crimes listed in the original post. also, burglary is a felony, felons can have guns anyway.

Omega13device
02-13-2009, 10:36 AM
if thats all there is to the law then i dont think anyone here should be worried.
You're not considering the big picture - that politicians pass these laws under the pretext of doing something about crime, when in fact it's just a shortcut to appeal to voters because actually doing something about crime (in an way that produces results) is too complicated. Gun owners then have to pay the price while the problem persists, leading to another round of restrictions.

That's what you should be worried about.

dfletcher
02-13-2009, 11:10 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-guns13-2009feb13,0,52723.story

New L.A. gun control law proposed
Two council members want to expand on a state law to make it more difficult for people convicted of certain misdemeanors to own weapons.
By Maeve Reston
9:13 PM PST, February 12, 2009
Just a few weeks after the Los Angeles City Council approved a batch of new gun and ammunition ordinances tightening restrictions on ammunition vendors, council members Jack Weiss and Janice Hahn are proposing a new law that would make it more difficult for individuals convicted of certain misdemeanors to own guns.

The proposal, which Weiss and Hahn plan to introduce as early as today's council meeting, would expand on a state law that bars possession of a gun for 10 years if convicted of certain crimes, including assault, illegal weapons sales or threatening a public official or a witness.

Weiss, a candidate for city attorney in the March 3 primary election, has made gun control one of his top campaign issues.

Weiss and Hahn's measure would add other offenses to the list, including carrying a concealed weapon, possession of an assault weapon, burglary and misdemeanor gang crimes.

The proposal would require council approval and legal review by the city attorney's office before it is drafted as an ordinance.



Perhaps an ignorant question, but are local governments allowed to "enhance" penalties in these matters - locality specific penalties for violation of state wide law?

sigsauer887
02-13-2009, 2:15 PM
Burglary and gang crime? There are cops that fit that description?

No,

I'm talking about the other misdemeanors including Possession of an assault weapon and carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. I would like to see the double standard they would set for their own.

sigsauer887
02-13-2009, 2:18 PM
if thats all there is to the law then i dont think anyone here should be worried. fyi no cops are still cops if they were convicted of any of the crimes listed in the original post. also, burglary is a felony, felons can have guns anyway.

Burglary is actually a wobbler. It can either be prosecuted as a Misdemeanor or a Felony, or later reduced to a misdemeanor of convicted of felony burglary.

Jack Straw from Wichita
02-13-2009, 2:41 PM
Perhaps an ignorant question, but are local governments allowed to "enhance" penalties in these matters - locality specific penalties for violation of state wide law?

I was wondering the same. Wouldn't this run afoul of the state preemption, like Prop H in San Francisco?

vrand
02-13-2009, 2:41 PM
So the proposed law is intended to keep guns out of the hands of gang members who don't obey laws.

Brilliant!

One needs a Ph.D to think these laws up.

DDT
02-13-2009, 2:42 PM
One needs a Ph.D to think these laws up.

One only needs to feel themselves "special" to think these laws up. I tend to agree but might disagree on the exact meaning of "special."

Fate
02-13-2009, 4:53 PM
I was wondering the same. Wouldn't this run afoul of the state preemption, like Prop H in San Francisco?
Doesn't pass the smell test, does it? But it *SOUNDS* good in a sound bite.

sorensen440
02-13-2009, 4:58 PM
we should just solve the problem and make murder illegal

toolman9000
02-13-2009, 5:33 PM
we should just solve the problem and make murder illegal

I tell that to people all the time... :thumbsup:

sigsauer887
02-13-2009, 5:49 PM
we should just solve the problem and make murder illegal

LMAO!!

Jack Straw from Wichita
02-13-2009, 6:38 PM
we should just solve the problem and make murder illegal

You and your crazy ideas . . .