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mattman
02-12-2009, 8:53 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.
http://www.emcsd.org/pics/header.jpg

ETD1010
02-12-2009, 9:02 PM
My school (college) blocked any and all sites that hand the keyword "weapon" in it.. so pretty much all the sites i visit at home, couldn't be viewed at school. Now this was a private school, but I would think there could be issues if a public school started banning sites... Not sure though... maybe K-12 is different?

Cato
02-12-2009, 9:25 PM
I work in Pasadena Unified. The Websense software blocks ALL sites with firearms as well as "traditional religions." That means I can't read the Catholic news agency but can read all I want about Wicca and Satin worship.

bear308
02-12-2009, 9:35 PM
wtf, this junk is just getting too far off the reservation.

SwissFluCase
02-12-2009, 9:38 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.
http://www.emcsd.org/pics/header.jpg

I don't think these filters have withstood legal scrutiny very often... Time to raise a stink?

Regards,


SwissFluCase

Macadelic4
02-12-2009, 9:45 PM
I work in Pasadena Unified. The Websense software blocks ALL sites with firearms as well as "traditional religions." That means I can't read the Catholic news agency but can read all I want about Wicca and Satin worship.

Default Websense and Sonicwall subscription policies blow pretty hard. The coverage is all backward - I accidentally accessed an Australian white supremacist website (but was unable to visit some very benign reference sites) on a correctly configured Sonicwall installation.

All the more reason I support kids using proxies, DNS tricks, etc. to get around these. They aren't seeing anything they don't already see at home if they have half a brain in their heads.

mecam
02-12-2009, 9:51 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.
http://www.emcsd.org/pics/header.jpg

How about http://www.bradycampaign.org/?

dwa
02-12-2009, 9:56 PM
Default Websense and Sonicwall subscription policies blow pretty hard. The coverage is all backward - I accidentally accessed an Australian white supremacist website (but was unable to visit some very benign reference sites) on a correctly configured Sonicwall installation.

All the more reason I support kids using proxies, DNS tricks, etc. to get around these. They aren't seeing anything they don't already see at home if they have half a brain in their heads.

aren't nearly all Australians white? i find the idea funny for some reason

striker3
02-12-2009, 10:00 PM
aren't nearly all Australians white? i find the idea funny for some reason

No, there was a whole race of people that lived on the island before the europeans started sending their criminals there :)

dreyna14
02-12-2009, 10:21 PM
CSUN doesn't block Calguns, was browsing the forums today in the library. :)

timdps
02-12-2009, 10:42 PM
Satin worship.

That sounds like fun. Tell me more. :D

Sorry, could not resist...:p

torsf
02-12-2009, 11:06 PM
proxify.com for all your surfing needs. Works great.

yellowfin
02-12-2009, 11:08 PM
but can read all I want about Wicca and Satin worship. They have a whole new religion dedicated to formalwear design, it's for the fashion people.

vrand
02-12-2009, 11:16 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.


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Philthy
02-12-2009, 11:23 PM
aren't nearly all Australians white? i find the idea funny for some reason

Besides the Aborigines, lots of Asians immigrated there. (Like the movie Romper Stomper).

tenpercentfirearms
02-13-2009, 5:38 AM
You don't have a right to cruise the web at school so as usual the "lets sue" mindset will not work. Most schools block anything "violence" related. That is just the way it is.

aileron
02-13-2009, 7:31 AM
When at the Board of Safety meeting regarding Hutchings CCW policy I tried to use my Ipod to access calguns.

Nope not allowed.

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/aileronster/nogun.jpg

DDT
02-13-2009, 8:39 AM
You don't have a right to cruise the web at school so as usual the "lets sue" mindset will not work. Most schools block anything "violence" related. That is just the way it is.

You may not have the right to cruise the Internet but once the school opens the door they (assuming a government school) should not have the right to limit your access to political or religious content.

Do you believe the government schools could block all websites related to Republican, Libertarian and Constitutionalist parties but permit the same access to The Democrat, Socialist and Green parties?

In what world is the discussion of a constitutionally guaranteed right automatically "'violence' related?" This is the kind of thinking that is spread as intentional FUD by the gun grabbers. Not to mention that not all violence is anathema to polite society. Do you want our youth barred from the violence of war? Do you want our youth to be protected from knowing that one might have to use violence in self-defense?

rorschach
02-13-2009, 10:44 AM
CSUN doesn't block Calguns, was browsing the forums today in the library. :)

Ask Ajax about his little incident at Santa Monica City College

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=67652

Vectrexer
02-13-2009, 10:55 AM
I was surprised to find out my daughter's school still allowed the CalGuns.net and NRA sites to pass right through. Happy, but surprised.

dreyna14
02-13-2009, 1:59 PM
Ask Ajax about his little incident at Santa Monica City College

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=67652

I've gone through that post before, and it totally sucks what happened to him, however, I won't stop exercising my 1st Amendment right to browse the internet in a public facility and if anybody has a problem with me browsing Calguns on campus, they can shove it.

Chris M
02-13-2009, 2:39 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.

We use a Fortinet firewall w/ Fortiguard, here at my work - it blocks all firearms related sites, including Calguns...even Bass Pro and Cabelas. I work in IT, so I was able to exclude myself from being blocked.

vrand
02-13-2009, 3:24 PM
You may not have the right to cruise the Internet but once the school opens the door they (assuming a government school) should not have the right to limit your access to political or religious content.

Do you believe the government schools could block all websites related to Republican, Libertarian and Constitutionalist parties but permit the same access to The Democrat, Socialist and Green parties?

In what world is the discussion of a constitutionally guaranteed right automatically "'violence' related?" This is the kind of thinking that is spread as intentional FUD by the gun grabbers. Not to mention that not all violence is anathema to polite society. Do you want our youth barred from the violence of war? Do you want our youth to be protected from knowing that one might have to use violence in self-defense?

Mao:
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

tenpercentfirearms
02-13-2009, 5:44 PM
You may not have the right to cruise the Internet but once the school opens the door they (assuming a government school) should not have the right to limit your access to political or religious content.

Do you believe the government schools could block all websites related to Republican, Libertarian and Constitutionalist parties but permit the same access to The Democrat, Socialist and Green parties?

In what world is the discussion of a constitutionally guaranteed right automatically "'violence' related?" This is the kind of thinking that is spread as intentional FUD by the gun grabbers. Not to mention that not all violence is anathema to polite society. Do you want our youth barred from the violence of war? Do you want our youth to be protected from knowing that one might have to use violence in self-defense?
I disagree. What is the point in getting onto the web at school? What school standards are you meeting? If you are not on the computer doing legitimate research for a school assignment, you do not belong on the Internet. You should be learning in class instead.

So if the individual districts want to prohibit what students look at, that is their right. If you don't like it, bring it up with the board and handle it on an individual basis. If a school finds it necessary to block political websites, then so be it. If you don't like it, work on it at the local level.

You are grasping at straws trying to claim that blocking firearms sites is the same as FUD spread by anti-gunners. What legitimate reason does a student need to look at gun sites at school? What legitimate reason does a student need to get on the NRA website at school? Which California content standards would they be meeting in getting on any of these sites?

If I am going to have a Second Amendment discussion, I can notify my IT department and request that certain sites be unlocked for my students to do research on. I could alternatively print up some of that material myself and distribute it in my classroom.

Sorry, you do not have a right to look at whatever you want to at a public K-12. You have a right to learn. Go home if you want to cruise the web.

strangerdude
02-13-2009, 5:54 PM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.
http://www.emcsd.org/pics/header.jpg

Big whoop! Minors don't need to be on NRA web sites, especially in school. Oh and just so you know, The National Council of La Raza is a helpful website for Latinos in America, there is nothing wrong with that site and does not teach about Mexican socialism. And if it did there is nothing wrong with that.

JohnJW
02-13-2009, 6:11 PM
Big whoop! Minors don't need to be on NRA web sites, especially in school. Oh and just so you know, The National Council of La Raza is a helpful website for Latinos in America, there is nothing wrong with that site and does not teach about Mexican socialism. And if it did there is nothing wrong with that.

Isn't block internet access kind of like censoring the school library. Maybe school districts should have a white list where only specific list of website may be accessed and anyone can petition for the inclusion of website not on the list.

GuyW
02-13-2009, 6:18 PM
....public K-12. You have a right to learn.

Pfft. Right....says who, the CTA? (the primary impediment to education)


Some enterprising lawyers should be filing class-action civil rights lawsuits against every government school district in CA then...

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DDT
02-13-2009, 7:38 PM
I disagree. What is the point in getting onto the web at school? What school standards are you meeting? If you are not on the computer doing legitimate research for a school assignment, you do not belong on the Internet. You should be learning in class instead.

So if the individual districts want to prohibit what students look at, that is their right. If you don't like it, bring it up with the board and handle it on an individual basis. If a school finds it necessary to block political websites, then so be it. If you don't like it, work on it at the local level.

You are simply incorrect. If the school doesn't want kids on the Internet at school then don't provide it, I'm fine with that. But what if your child is doing a research paper and the only sources of information are those the school deems politically acceptable? This is wrong.

DDT
02-13-2009, 7:39 PM
Big whoop! Minors don't need to be on NRA web sites, especially in school. Oh and just so you know, The National Council of La Raza is a helpful website for Latinos in America, there is nothing wrong with that site and does not teach about Mexican socialism. And if it did there is nothing wrong with that.

so, indoctrinating children into socialism is fine but indoctrinating them into the long standing gun culture in the US is intolerable?

Timberland
02-13-2009, 7:44 PM
That sucks, You will all be glad to know that my school allows free acess to all sites ranging frorm guns, to informative videos on how to make babies. They even loan out labtops so you can watch informative anatomy videos in class.

vrand
02-13-2009, 8:12 PM
so, indoctrinating children into socialism is fine but indoctrinating them into the long standing gun culture in the US is intolerable?

Must be the "New" teachings being taught to our children in school now a days :confused:

DDT
02-13-2009, 8:17 PM
Big whoop! Minors don't need to be on NRA web sites

Oh, I forgot this one in my first response to your drivel.

http://www.nrahq.org/youth/index.asp

N6ATF
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
That sucks, You will all be glad to know that my school allows free acess to all sites ranging frorm guns, to informative videos on how to make babies. They even loan out labtops so you can watch informative anatomy videos in class.

IOW, porn.

ggod408
02-14-2009, 4:50 AM
I discovered today that the El Monte City School District Internet blocks the NRA website. On further research I discovered several other 2A sites are filtered out by Fortiguard. However you will be glad to know that things like The National Council of La Raza website and Planed Parenthood are unfiltered. So while your children cannot find information on their country's second amendment rights they will learn all about Mexican Socialism and Abortions.
http://www.emcsd.org/pics/header.jpg

It's funny how some people still bring up ethnicity to point the finger in order to try and rile up support as opposed to actually trying to solve the problem! Why cause more problems when we are all here on the this forum for a passion we all share? I don't see much wrong with a possibly frightened young pregnant girl trying to get info or help at a school computer, or people looking up info on an ethnic-created web site. Please leave ignorant comments out and let's focus on the real issues. ;)

tenpercentfirearms
02-14-2009, 6:11 AM
You are simply incorrect. If the school doesn't want kids on the Internet at school then don't provide it, I'm fine with that. But what if your child is doing a research paper and the only sources of information are those the school deems politically acceptable? This is wrong.

LOL. I am wrong because you say so? I already answered to the research paper, but obviously your reading skills are lacking. I will quote myself, If I am going to have a Second Amendment discussion, I can notify my IT department and request that certain sites be unlocked for my students to do research on. I could alternatively print up some of that material myself and distribute it in my classroom.That is the proper procedure and there is nothing wrong with this procedure. If they are still not receptive, I could always rile up some support with some of my key parents and get them to take it up with the principal, superindendent or eventually the school board. However, if that all fails, then that is simply the school's right. They get to decide what they get to block and I can always decide to pull my kid out of the public school and enroll them in the Morris School of Marksmanship.

so, indoctrinating children into socialism is fine but indoctrinating them into the long standing gun culture in the US is intolerable?More sensationalism and straw grasping. Kids who look at La Raza already know about gun rights. They already possess guns. :D Seriously, kids are not so stupid that they simply see a web-site and they are "indoctrinated". If you are concerned about them being taught socialism, you wouldn't worry about the websites that they infrequently visit, you would would first and foremost about their teachers. I am infinitely more influential on my students than any website, poster on the wall, or any other petty issue you want to bring up. The teacher is who is talking to them 5-7 hours a day. I am the filter that presents the material.

I do not need access to the NRA website to teach these kids about guns. In fact, I don't need any website. I live it in front of them. If you were really concerned about getting a message to students, you would unblock myspace and buy some NRA ads on it.

Get serious.

bg
02-14-2009, 1:08 PM
The National Council of La Raza is a helpful website for Latinos in America, there is nothing wrong with that site and does not teach about Mexican socialism. And if it did there is nothing wrong with that.
Long as it stays down Mexico way..