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scewper
02-12-2009, 9:30 PM
Say I had the necessary license and I wanted to manufacture billet lowers in my shop. I would need my own cnc mill, correct? Or, can I have somebody else machine them for me (in their machine shop)?

freakshow10mm
02-12-2009, 9:39 PM
You can machine them in house or you can get the other machine shop to get a marking variance from the ATF. The other machine shop will make the lowers and engrave them with your information so it looks like you made them yourself. Actually a large amount of "manufacturers" don't actually machine them in house at all. They just have places like CMT, LMT, LAR Mfg, Mega Machine, etc make them for them.

I will have you note you have to both be an 07 FFL in order to have a marking variance approved.

You can get by with a Bridgeport type CNC mill for a while but for true production you will want a CNC milling center like a Haas. That will run you about $10,000 for a used one (10yrs old or so) and maybe another $5,000 in tooling. These machines weigh about 5-6000 lbs so make sure you have a crane or a sober forklift driver to move it into place.

scewper
02-12-2009, 9:44 PM
Thanks Freakshow, that pretty much answers my question.

I'll have to convince this local guy to apply for an 07 :D

XDshooter
02-12-2009, 9:55 PM
You can get by with a Bridgeport type CNC mill for a while but for true production you will want a CNC milling center like a Haas. That will run you about $10,000 for a used one (10yrs old or so) and maybe another $5,000 in tooling. These machines weigh about 5-6000 lbs so make sure you have a crane or a sober forklift driver to move it into place.



DAMN, please tell me where I can get a 1999 Haas VMC for 10K.

I'll take 2 please.

ke6guj
02-12-2009, 9:57 PM
Thanks Freakshow, that pretty much answers my question.

I'll have to convince this local guy to apply for an 07 :D

Remember that along with the 07FFL fees, there is also the yearly $2250 ITAR fees.

freakshow10mm
02-12-2009, 10:23 PM
DAMN, please tell me where I can get a 1999 Haas VMC for 10K.

I'll take 2 please.
I used Hass as a brand name to differentiate between the milling centers and the Bridgeport type vertical knee mills with CNC. Cheapest Haas I found was a 1994 for $29,500.