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SteveH
02-11-2009, 12:38 PM
I see that someone was arrested in Laguna Hills for 12031 just a few short hours after the hearings. No idea if this was UOC related or not.


http://www.ocsd.org/sheriffs_blotter/?IDX=sheriffs_blotter&FormAction=SheriffsBlotter&SortBy=REC&Area=LH&DayView7.x=32&DayView7.y=12

DDT
02-11-2009, 12:50 PM
Probably had a CCW but it was revoked while he was speaking at the meeting.

SteveH
02-11-2009, 12:54 PM
Google search indicates the suspects only prior local criminal history was a seatbelt citation issued by the CHP.

DDT
02-11-2009, 1:33 PM
"Due to security concerns, inmate charges are no longer available on this website"

SteveH
02-11-2009, 1:39 PM
"Due to security concerns, inmate charges are no longer available on this website"

Click on the little "READ" icon to the right of the screen. There is a narrative of some of the radio traffic, including what the cop drew a report number for.

"...Unit : 447 DR = 12031..."

SteveH
02-13-2009, 10:41 AM
Charges were filed today.


Seq S/A Violation Date Section Statute OL Violation Plea Plea Date Disposition Dispo Date
1 0 02/10/2009 12031(a)(1)/(a)(2)(G) PC M Carrying loaded firearm on person or in vehicle in public place or street
2 0 02/10/2009 653k PC M Carrying switch blade and gravity knives
3 0 02/10/2009 12025(a)(1)/(b)(6) PC M Carry concealed weapon in vehicle

Piper
02-13-2009, 11:11 AM
Yeah, that seatbelt violation should be the tip off as to who they were dealing with. I mean seatbelt violators are such dirtbags.

xxdabroxx
02-13-2009, 11:56 AM
very interesting, the switchblade knife doesnt sound good.

1BigPea
02-13-2009, 12:40 PM
I see that someone was arrested in Laguna Hills for 12031 just a few short hours after the hearings. No idea if this was UOC related or not.


http://www.ocsd.org/sheriffs_blotter/?IDX=sheriffs_blotter&FormAction=SheriffsBlotter&SortBy=REC&Area=LH&DayView7.x=32&DayView7.y=12

Wow, I never knew that blotter existed, thanks for the heads up. Interesting stuff. This morning in my area...

[2/13/2009 9:09:14 AM : pos10 : MOGUELC] Cross streets: OBISPO//VIA TORRE NBH: 892H2 92688 33.64312,-117.61871 9MM WITH AMMO TAKEN FROM VEH

:eek:

Blue
02-13-2009, 12:41 PM
What exactly is a "gravity knife"?

Overbear
02-13-2009, 12:44 PM
What exactly is a "gravity knife"?

Known as a Philippine or "balsong" knife. It can be opened by just letting go one half of it and having gravity swing it around and open.

vrand
02-13-2009, 12:52 PM
Wow, I never knew that blotter existed, thanks for the heads up. Interesting stuff.

Case Number: 09-027725

Looks like in 44 days so far this year there are 27,725 "cases" = 630 cases per day = 26 case per hour = 0.44 cases per min.

1BigPea
02-13-2009, 12:55 PM
Case Number: 09-027725

Looks like in 44 days so far this year there are 27,725 "cases" = 630 cases per day = 26 case per hour = 0.44 cases per min.

Crazy right!?

So basically the OCSD can be everywhere at once...that's why I don't need a CCW. :confused:

pnkssbtz
02-13-2009, 1:03 PM
very interesting, the switchblade knife doesnt sound good.
Switchblade charge is most likely 100% bullsh*t. Cops in OC love to charge people for for that but ignore the 3rd paragraph of 653(k).

They even do it WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY. I've personally spoken on the phone with the LT at the Orange Co. PD and he pretended like 653(k) didn't until I mentioned it. At which point he said "well it seems like you are rather knowledgeable on the Knife laws and don't need me any further" and hung up on me.

Blue
02-13-2009, 1:06 PM
Switchblade charge is most likely 100% bullsh*t. Cops in OC love to charge people for for that but ignore the 3rd paragraph of 653(k).

They even do it WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY. I've personally spoken on the phone with the LT at the Orange Co. PD and he pretended like 653(k) didn't until I mentioned it. At which point he said "well it seems like you are rather knowledgeable on the Knife laws and don't need me any further" and hung up on me.

Buncha cowboys screwing people over.

vrand
02-13-2009, 1:09 PM
Crazy right!?

So basically the OCSD can be everywhere at once...that's why I don't need a CCW. :confused:

Yep, definitely crazy.

Its a conspiracy to take away our God given Rights.

Doheny
02-13-2009, 1:39 PM
Known as a Philippine or "balsong" knife. It can be opened by just letting go one half of it and having gravity swing it around and open.

Is that the same as a butterfly knife?

DDT
02-13-2009, 1:55 PM
Is that the same as a butterfly knife?

A balisong is but I don't know if there are other knives considered "gravity knives" that are of some other configuration.

Decoligny
02-13-2009, 2:45 PM
A balisong is but I don't know if there are other knives considered "gravity knives" that are of some other configuration.

There are indeed many different varieties of "Gravity Knife".

A gravity knife is any knife which opens strictly thru the use of gravity.

There are knives where you hold the knife facing down and push a button and the blade drops out of the knife body.

A lock blade knife that has absolutely no resistance to opening can be considered a gravity knife. If you turn the knife upside down and the blade falls open, it's a gravity knife.

http://www.german-knife.com/german-paratrooper-gravity-knife.html

SteveH
02-13-2009, 3:00 PM
I read it every morning. Better info than the Register.

Wow, I never knew that blotter existed, thanks for the heads up. Interesting stuff. This morning in my area...

[2/13/2009 9:09:14 AM : pos10 : MOGUELC] Cross streets: OBISPO//VIA TORRE NBH: 892H2 92688 33.64312,-117.61871 9MM WITH AMMO TAKEN FROM VEH

:eek:

SteveH
02-13-2009, 9:05 PM
Wow! that was fast.

Suspect plead guilty at arraignment to all three counts.

15-days jail and 3-years informal probation. I assume the probation terms will include possess no weapons?

NiteQwill
02-13-2009, 9:27 PM
Wow! that was fast.

Suspect plead guilty at arraignment to all three counts.

15-days jail and 3-years informal probation. I assume the probation terms will include possess no weapons?

Yup

Overbear
02-15-2009, 6:15 AM
So basically my cheap lock-backs that get loose over time and need re-tightening. :(

Is there any standard of force or difference between "flip of the wrist" and "snap of the wrist" or "whip-cracking-crying-tiger-mantis break the wrist while attempting to dislodge the blade"? Or would all knives without a detent fail this "flip" test?

Going strictly by the letter of the law. If you can invert the knife and the blade falls open with no effort or assistance then yes its a "gravity" knife. On the flip side a "spring assist" knife is fully legal in the state, as it requires you to start the action of opening it with your thumb.

vrand
02-15-2009, 9:32 AM
Going strictly by the letter of the law. If you can invert the knife and the blade falls open with no effort or assistance then yes its a "gravity" knife. On the flip side a "spring assist" knife is fully legal in the state, as it requires you to start the action of opening it with your thumb.

interesting :thumbsup: