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MCRACER82
02-06-2009, 11:26 AM
Hello,
I have a PSG-1 clone built off of a Century Arms C91 Sporter by Murray Urbach. I would like to bring it in the state. I had Murray install a RADD bullet button and a five round magazine. Is the rifle legal to enter the state in this config? I remember seeing a flow chart on here regarding if a rifle is banned by name or characteristic. I cant seem to find that flow chart now. I remember seeing and HK PSG-1 and HK91 are banned by name but I dont think the Century Arms clone is banned by its name. So I am assuming it is legal as long as the mag is fixed. Any info would greatly help. Thanks!!!

xxxx
02-06-2009, 11:27 AM
Hello,
I have a PSG-1 clone built off of a Century Arms C91 Sporter by Murray Urbach. I would like to bring it in the state. I had Murray install a RADD bullet button and a five round magazine. Is the rifle legal to enter the state in this config? I remember seeing a flow chart on here regarding if a rifle is banned by name or characteristic. I cant seem to find that flow chart now. I remember seeing and HK PSG-1 and HK91 are banned by name but I dont think the Century Arms clone is banned by its name. So I am assuming it is legal as long as the mag is fixed. Any info would greatly help. Thanks!!!

I believe you are correct, and the mag can be 10 rounds - unless you hunt or something.

viras
02-06-2009, 12:08 PM
The Flowchart is right here (and the Century Arms C91 is not on it as far as I can tell):

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1413/flowchartvh3.png

MCRACER82
02-06-2009, 12:27 PM
The Flowchart is right here (and the Century Arms C91 is not on it as far as I can tell):

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1413/flowchartvh3.png

Thanks for the link. I was so in tune looking for it in a thread that I didnt open my eyes. LOL

NSR500
02-06-2009, 2:24 PM
I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
Good Luck to getting your gun!

MCRACER82
02-06-2009, 2:27 PM
I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
Good Luck to getting your gun!

The guns is still stamped with Century Arms C91 Sporter and the serial number. Is that what you mean?

MCRACER82
06-22-2009, 3:29 AM
I hope part of the conversion was not a restamp to HK PSG-1. There was a discussion somewhere here about restamping with a banned name being a bit controversial.
Good Luck to getting your gun!

Wouldn't restamping the rifle be illegal?

Hkfanatic
06-22-2009, 9:31 AM
Wouldn't restamping the rifle be illegal?

its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own :) when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me :)

heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/psg1/CIMG0786.jpg

Turbinator
06-22-2009, 1:21 PM
Do you have a more zoomed out pic of that PSG1 clone? I think I recall reading your thread on how you built yours. That is just awesome.

Turby

highpowermatch
06-22-2009, 2:09 PM
:useless:

MCRACER82
06-24-2009, 1:23 AM
its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own :) when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me :)

heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/psg1/CIMG0786.jpg

Actually the gun arrives in two days. I hope he didn't restamp it. If he did how does that affect it legally being in Kalifornia? PSG-1 is on the list but technically its a Century Arms C91 which isnt on the list. Even though it is stamped PSG-1, doesnt the actual manufacture and model still have to be on the rifle?

Hkfanatic
06-24-2009, 9:15 AM
its not illegal to restamp the gun.


it can just cause problems, IF someone were to question it.

IE a LEO thinks you have an unreg'ed assault weapon and even though your compliant (maglock) takes the gun into custody. it wont be until you get to an examiner that they will know that the firearm is not acutally a PSG-1 but thats alot of hassle up until that point.

now the other problem would be if you go to sell it. an FFL may see PSG-1 and not do the transfer because its on the banned by name list. and then you have to go through the trouble of explaining that its actually a century arms C91 sporter and not really a PSG-1, that again is a hastle.

bottom line if your keeping the rifle for some great amount of time and you keep it Cali compliant with a Bullet button. dont worry if its restamped

Riptide
06-25-2009, 11:21 AM
Is it really legal in California to restamp the model on a rifle? Like from "PTR91" to "PSG1" or from "SL8-6" to "G36K"? I know there are no Federal restrictions, but for California is it legal?

This thread discussed some of this before: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=117694

I have been looking for a definitive answer for quite a while.

MCRACER82
06-25-2009, 12:05 PM
its not technically illegal but it could cause problems should the situation ever arise.

congrats on getting your rifle back from MR. Urbach, i couldent wait the 5 years he would have taken. so i built my own :) when your shooting federal gold match a fixed 10 rnd magazine really doesent bother me :)

heres a pic, post one of yours when it comes in.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/psg1/CIMG0786.jpg

HKfanatic,
Where did you get your parts for your PSG-1? IE barrel, receiver rails, scope mount tabs? Your welds look really good. Did you have the Silent bolt closer (forward assist) installed? Any more pics?

Hkfanatic
06-25-2009, 3:13 PM
Barrel is a Top notch parts one they were selling a little while back.
receiver rails are RDTS
scope tabes were made by an HKpro board member JFK

at this time i am currently makeing the forward assists and am starting on rails soon.

i did all the work on that rifle, as well as an MSG90 for a friend of mine. (pics below) my PSG-1 is currently torn apart because im going to completely redo it. with almost all my own parts.

i got most of the HK parts on various boards.

here are the pics you requested.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/psg1/CIMG0787.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/psg1/CIMG0785.jpg

my buddys MSG90

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/P1010011.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/P1010009-1.jpg

My forward assist./ silent bolt closure device

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/myforwardassist.jpg

B Strong
06-26-2009, 6:30 AM
Wouldn't restamping the rifle be illegal?

Restamping a model name is 100% legal. Restamping a serial number, manufacturer and importer are a on-no.

There are bunchs of semi-auto HK's specifically restamped to reflect the original NFA varient - G3 for 91 etc. Murray Urbach and Ralph at RDTS did them as well as FJ Vollmer.

These come up for sale now and then, they're completely legal.

I wouldn't try to bring in a re-stamped HK 91, 93 or 94, but I'd have no qualms bringing in a re-stamped clone rifle.

MCRACER82
08-04-2009, 8:26 PM
Hkfanatic,
Can you show me a pic of the step on the receiver where the lower receiver sit on? I think CAI buggered up the step welds on mine. The PSG-1 complete lower doesn't want to sit straight making it a pain in the butt to get the buttstock on. Its on now but took me 20 min. It will probably take me 30-40 min to get it off too. Oh, by the way, for the "Silent Bolt Closer", did you machine the notches on the bolt carrier or are you using an original PSG-1 bolt?

69Mach1
08-04-2009, 8:42 PM
Can we see a pic of your shelf? It should look similar to the above pic.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g141/nodder_2006/P1010011.jpg

MCRACER82
08-04-2009, 8:54 PM
I will post a pic of the shelf on Sunday. i am in Hawaii on vacation at the moment. I can tell you for sure it doesn't look as clean as the pic.The welds look really sloppy and actually drape onto the step where the lower sits on. I might have to grind it down and touch up the finish. What can I touch it up with without having to refinish the entire gun?

Barney Gumble
08-05-2009, 11:42 AM
Restamping is legal if done by the manufacturer only. The HK911 is an example of this, they were HK91s that the factory brought back and restamped.

We can't all go around restamping model names/numbers on our rifles, duh.

Hkfanatic
08-06-2009, 7:35 AM
Hkfanatic,
Can you show me a pic of the step on the receiver where the lower receiver sit on? I think CAI buggered up the step welds on mine. The PSG-1 complete lower doesn't want to sit straight making it a pain in the butt to get the buttstock on. Its on now but took me 20 min. It will probably take me 30-40 min to get it off too. Oh, by the way, for the "Silent Bolt Closer", did you machine the notches on the bolt carrier or are you using an original PSG-1 bolt?


i machined the forward assist notches into the bolt carrier myself, i didint really see an advantage over the PSG-1 bolt and carrier, besides i would have had to cut a notch in the breech face to allow for the PSG-1 bolt heads extractor to clear.

i will try to get up some more detailed pics of the shelf tonight, its just a PTR91 receiver.

MCRACER82
08-08-2009, 4:46 PM
Cool. I elected not to have the forward assist install due to cost and that its not really needed. I am looking for someone to machine the finger grooves into the bolt. When the Swedish Army ordered their PSG's from HK they had them leave off the forward assist and machine a finger groove on the bolt so they could manually silently move the bolt into battery.

i machined the forward assist notches into the bolt carrier myself, i didint really see an advantage over the PSG-1 bolt and carrier, besides i would have had to cut a notch in the breech face to allow for the PSG-1 bolt heads extractor to clear.

i will try to get up some more detailed pics of the shelf tonight, its just a PTR91 receiver.

Hkfanatic
08-09-2009, 10:48 AM
Cool. I elected not to have the forward assist install due to cost and that its not really needed. I am looking for someone to machine the finger grooves into the bolt. When the Swedish Army ordered their PSG's from HK they had them leave off the forward assist and machine a finger groove on the bolt so they could manually silently move the bolt into battery.

thats cool, when i did my PSG-1 i wanted as close to factory as possible. mainley because i was able to get my hands on the scope.

as far as the thumb serrations, well i have a hk93 with them and i have tried to puch it into battery its a little tough :)

it would prob. be easier for you to find a G3 carrier with the cuts in it alredy. they are out there.

to machine the thumb serrations you need to make at least 2 jigs to do it on a 3 axis mill. one to hold the carrier at the right angle to get at it with a ball nose end mill to put the oval in, and then another one to stand it up and come at it with a .020 carbide cutting disk to actually put the serrations in. as far as i've heard there is no smith that currently does this.

you may wanna try Ralph at RDTS, or Mike at TSC machine, in anycase good luck and let us know how it shoots!!!