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Greg-Dawg
02-05-2009, 5:43 PM
Schoolteacher Suspended for Facebook Gun Photo (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488567,00.html#)

Schoolteacher Suspended for Facebook Gun Photo
Thursday, February 05, 2009

BEAVER DAM, Wis. — A Beaver Dam Middle School teacher is on administrative leave after school officials discovered a photo of her with a gun on Facebook.

In the photo, Betsy Ramsdale was training a rifle at the camera.

In an e-mail to WKOW-TV in Madison, Ramsdale said she removed the photo immediately and that she is not "interested in any controversy."

Schools superintendent Donald Childs says a concerned staff member brought the photo to the district's attention.

Childs says the use of the photo "appears to be poor judgment" and is unaware of any sinister intent.

Ramsdale's biography on the district Web site states she is in her first year at the school. Department of Public Instruction records show Ramsdale has been licensed to teach since 1996.


We can't teach the Constitution in our school's these days? Thoughts on this?

SkatinJJ
02-05-2009, 5:49 PM
It's actually not legal to keep and bear arms in the United States.



Oh, I'm sorry, that's only when these nannys take over completely.

Tarn_Helm
02-05-2009, 6:06 PM
Schoolteacher Suspended for Facebook Gun Photo (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488567,00.html#)

We can't teach the Constitution in our school's these days? Thoughts on this?

Now you see why people who, having entered the teaching profession with no views one way or the other on the topic of firearms or the 2nd Amendment, can get intimidated into going with the flow (in order to get tenure) and espousing the usual bovine dung opinions about firearms and the 2nd Amendment.

spitkiss
02-05-2009, 6:16 PM
Here's a video link that shows the picture in question:

http://www.wkowtv.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?vt1=v&clipFormat=flv&clipId1=3408131&at1=News&h1=Teacher

stphnman20
02-05-2009, 6:37 PM
Idiot!! :p

Nah, that messed up for real!

PonchoTA
02-05-2009, 6:38 PM
OGMAMFB!!!!!!!!

IDIOTS!


{ooooh, I'm so scared, a PICTURE scares me....} Oh grow up!!!

mwarren2
02-05-2009, 6:52 PM
Gone are the days when my 9th grade Civics teacher brought his percussion cap rifle to school for a visual lesson. And then he took the class out onto the lawn, loaded the rifle with powder and wadding, and gave us a practical lesson. Very loud with lots of smoke! Learned a lot in Mr. Rudd's class! :thumbsup:

garandguy10
02-05-2009, 6:54 PM
Um,first of all it is a Shotgun,not a Rifle. Since when do we fire people for thier personal non pornographic photos??

GuyW
02-05-2009, 7:09 PM
...liberal educrats' witch hunt...
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GrayWolf09
02-05-2009, 7:40 PM
This is from Wisconsin? Not exactly urban territory where they have never seen a gun. Truly :fud:

DRM6000
02-05-2009, 7:43 PM
i hope she takes legal action against the district. this is just ridiculous.

Theseus
02-05-2009, 7:56 PM
This is stupid. The lady in the video said it was inappropriate! "I don't know why it would be on a computer....

Stupid sheeple.

SteveH
02-05-2009, 7:58 PM
What does this have tio do with California again?

QuarterBoreGunner
02-05-2009, 8:24 PM
This kind of freaks me out; my darling fiancee is getting her teaching credentials right now AND there are plenty of pics of her online with guns, shooting and whatever.

Dr. Peter Venkman
02-05-2009, 8:26 PM
When I was in Junior High my outdoor living teacher had a few rifles to show us. There was a large section on rifles and safe range use.

QuarterBoreGunner
02-05-2009, 8:30 PM
When I was in Junior High my outdoor living teacher...

Ah see there's the problem; you went to school in either a different part of the world or another time.

We do things different here and now.


Sadly.

Dr. Peter Venkman
02-05-2009, 8:33 PM
Ah see there's the problem; you went to school in either a different part of the world or another time.

We do things different here and now.


Sadly.

8 Years ago, San Jose, California.

Haha

QuarterBoreGunner
02-05-2009, 8:36 PM
Seriously?

I am very surprised.

I was Los Gatos HS class of 1986 and I think we were the last class to have and Agricultural Science course.

Good for you.

odysseus
02-05-2009, 8:43 PM
This kind of freaks me out; my darling fiancee is getting her teaching credentials right now AND there are plenty of pics of her online with guns, shooting and whatever.

Seriously, and that's just the kind of message this BS sends out. Sad it is.

.

kermit315
02-05-2009, 8:53 PM
What does this have tio do with California again?

Sickness like this spreads, and it would be ripe for cultivation here. Best to kill it where it starts growing rather than have to have it spread and try to fight it then. If they get there pee pee slapped now, maybe it is a fight we wont have to deal with later, on a bigger scale.

kermit315
02-05-2009, 8:54 PM
Here is Childs email address. I think we should all drop him a line and let him know how we feel about it, even if we arent in his district (or state for that matter).

childsd@beaverdam.k12.wi.us

QuarterBoreGunner
02-05-2009, 8:55 PM
^Correct.
California is not a bubble; usually wheat starts here spreads to the rest of the country - sometimes the tide turns.

bwiese
02-05-2009, 8:58 PM
This kind of freaks me out; my darling fiancee is getting her teaching credentials right now AND there are plenty of pics of her online with guns, shooting and whatever.

If they ever find out her screen name is "Bunny Sniper" it's all over :)

QuarterBoreGunner
02-05-2009, 9:01 PM
Correct.

Or not. To any and all alphabet agencies currently monitoring this thread, I neither confirm nor deny the above statement.

Maybe.

50CalAL
02-05-2009, 9:21 PM
I couldn't view the link to the video... was the teacher wearing clothing bearing the school's name? That'd be the only problem I could see, otherwise that's rediculous.

kermit315
02-05-2009, 9:26 PM
no, and even if that were the case, the school should have no right to tell her what she can wear, and what she can do in her photo's, especially when she is breaking no laws.

Solidmch
02-05-2009, 9:34 PM
i hope she takes legal action against the district. this is just ridiculous.

+10,000

jumbopanda
02-05-2009, 9:42 PM
Damn. I wonder what would have happened to my high school wood shop teacher. He played conservative talk radio in class and talked about guns and politics all the time. One time he said that the father of a boy molested by Michael Jackson should wait up on a hill next to Neverland Ranch with a 7mm, and another time he talked about wanting to "perforate" the car of an obnoxious woman who blocked him in in the parking lot and had a bad attitude about it.

Good times.

ZRX61
02-05-2009, 10:18 PM
My Chemistry teacher taught us how to make explosives.... That ended the day we blew the windows out of the chem lab... :(

dreyna14
02-05-2009, 11:09 PM
I honestly can't see how they can legally do this. The teacher's actions had nothing to do with school or his job and were legal in every way. I'd take them to court so they can explain their retarded beliefs.

Gone are the days when my 9th grade Civics teacher brought his percussion cap rifle to school for a visual lesson. And then he took the class out onto the lawn, loaded the rifle with powder and wadding, and gave us a practical lesson. Very loud with lots of smoke! Learned a lot in Mr. Rudd's class! :thumbsup:

In my Junior High history class we had a Civil War demonstration with the same thing. They loaded their rifles with powder and wadding, and let loose a couple shots right there on campus. Loved it!!

Damn. I wonder what would have happened to my high school wood shop teacher. He played conservative talk radio in class and talked about guns and politics all the time. One time he said that the father of a boy molested by Michael Jackson should wait up on a hill next to Neverland Ranch with a 7mm, and another time he talked about wanting to "perforate" the car of an obnoxious woman who blocked him in in the parking lot and had a bad attitude about it.

Good times.

Cool teachers rule!!

ar15barrels
02-05-2009, 11:36 PM
Um,first of all it is a Shotgun,not a Rifle.

The magazine tube cap looks like a Beretta 391 or maybe a Benelli Nova.
Either way, that's good taste in my book... :thumbsup:

bigstick61
02-05-2009, 11:59 PM
When I was in high school only a few years ago I brought my percussion rifle and bayonet to class as well as a paper cartridge for a Civil War presentation. The history teacher had a reenactor come by to do a WWI demonstration with a functional contemporary German revolver and a functional Gewehr 98 and bayonet. Faculty also didn't care if we had pocketknives, and we also had air rifles and M-1 Garands (including functional ones with blank firing adaptors for salutes) on campus (which my senior year I had the key to) for NJROTC. I also started a gun club which turned out to be the largest for awhile and the principal even gave permission to have a club picture with guns in the yearbook (unfortunately we could not get the photographer to do the photo). We also had an open campus; if I left something I could come by at 2200 to pick it up without an issue. When I look at public schools things seem so absurd in comparison.

cousinkix1953
02-06-2009, 12:25 AM
Gone are the days when my 9th grade Civics teacher brought his percussion cap rifle to school for a visual lesson. And then he took the class out onto the lawn, loaded the rifle with powder and wadding, and gave us a practical lesson. Very loud with lots of smoke! Learned a lot in Mr. Rudd's class! :thumbsup:
I know what you mean. I had high school shop teachers, who built custom sporters in the wood and metal shop building. The local police juvenile sergeant came to my JR high class with his own CLASS 3 model 1928 Thompson submachinegun with a 50 round drum on it.

These days, you'd better not even mention that you own guns; because the communist administrators can't mind their own damned business. Don't be surprised if they start asking new job applicants if they own firearms. Such confessions might be an unofficial excuse for not being hired...

SJgunguy24
02-06-2009, 1:47 AM
The school my son went to called me in for a parent teacher confrence. Why...........on monday mornings the kids talked about what they did on the weekends. Well my boy talked about going to the shooting range and his teacher blew a gasket. They said that he could be suspended for just talking about guns while at school.

I hope that we don't end up like England, where fake movie prop knives are illegal. God forbid your son admits that he has a pair testicals.....Oh wait I can't mention god either, some douche bag might be "offended" Truly pathetic.

DedEye
02-06-2009, 2:02 AM
I hope she sues and wins. I suggest contacting the ACLU ;).

lehn20
02-06-2009, 4:05 AM
what happened to peoples rights!!!?
I hope she sues the school for billions!

Greg-Dawg
02-06-2009, 8:48 AM
I can understand the zero gun policy ON CAMPUS, but she's off duty!!!

AaronHorrocks
02-06-2009, 9:13 AM
The only poor judgement was pointing a firearm directly at a camera.

QuarterBoreGunner
02-06-2009, 9:20 AM
^ Unless it was on a tripod with a timer.

ar15barrels
02-06-2009, 9:35 AM
The school my son went to called me in for a parent teacher confrence. Why...........on monday mornings the kids talked about what they did on the weekends. Well my boy talked about going to the shooting range and his teacher blew a gasket. They said that he could be suspended for just talking about guns while at school.

Did you ask the school administrator if they preferred that your son just lie to them about his weekend instead?

Full Clip
02-06-2009, 9:42 AM
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/Teacher.gif

Most importantly, it's a terrible photo.
Exposure is off, her finger looks to be on trigger, posture is bad, terrible haircut...
What a terrible lesson for our kids!

FUSIBLE
02-06-2009, 10:08 AM
I get into it once with a teacher about teaching my kid about her view of politics. That it was wrong and bad judgment on her part. She's teaching my kid liberal crap, I talk to my kids and she explains or talks to me about what she is learning in school. Even the principal somewhat defended her, I'm telling you California schools are going further down the drain, I may just get a second job to put them in private school. Political correctness my ***... we need to knock some sense into these people seriously. They want to live in a virtual reality that isn't possible and never will be. Just let people be, already.

FUSIBLE
02-06-2009, 10:09 AM
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/981624/Teacher.gif

Most importantly, it's a terrible photo.
Exposure is off, her finger looks to be on trigger, posture is bad, terrible haircut...
What a terrible lesson for our kids!OOH...that is terrible. I think shes been reprimanded for a terrible picture, that I agree with.:thumbsup:

nat
02-06-2009, 10:12 AM
Seriously?

I am very surprised.

I was Los Gatos HS class of 1986 and I think we were the last class to have and Agricultural Science course.

Good for you.

Cool, I was class of 1988. I am pretty sure there were still Ag classes for us.

wildog8812
02-06-2009, 10:44 AM
I was in school just a few years back and we all had pocket knives and on opening day of dove hunting season we ditched school and came back to football practice with shotguns in the back of out truck cabs. This is why I loved to grow up in the country.

Jicko
02-06-2009, 11:01 AM
This is when a "Shemagh" can come in handy...

http://www.freein4.com/img/item/2217s.jpg

The Wingnut
02-06-2009, 11:28 AM
When I was in about 5th grade, my school (Fammatre Elementary in San Jose) had a 'mountain man' come and give a presentation to the entire school...they trotted the whole school into the auditorium and we listened to him speak of his way of life and adventures for an hour.

At the end of the presentation, he showed us how to properly load a black powder rifle...patch, powder packet, ball (he put a wad of paper in its place), percussion cap. He then placed the forearm of the rifle in the crook of one arm, across his chest, barrel aimed at the ceiling, and dropped the hammer. BOOM! The noise in that auditorium was deafening, and we kids LOVED it. He stood like a statue on the stage with the rifle still in his arms as we all filed out.

This was in the mid / late '80s. At the same time, a friend was attending high school in San Francisco and tells me of bringing his AK to school, slung across his back so he could fire it at the school's rifle range. He was on the school's rifle team. He was once stopped by the principal and taken into his office, where the principal showed him his rifle and they talked shop for a bit. This was only 25 years ago, and less than 10 years after these events, the Clinton Administration enacted the first AWB.

The culture of 'zero tolerance' and the invasion of private lives is raging out of control. The teacher in question certainly showed 'poor judgment' in having her Facebook profile photo being one of pointing a shotgun - not a rifle - at the camera. However, unless her Facebook account was being used in some manner relating to her job, it should have absolutely no bearing or impact on her professional life.

It is incidents such as this that have made me very cautious about putting any photographs of myself with firearms anywhere on the internet where they are accessible by the public. I'm even cautious about revealing my identity on this forum, since you never know who's watching.

My private life is just that - PRIVATE. What I do on my own time is nobody's business but my own; not other citizens, not my employer's, not the state's, not even the federal government's. MY business. The sovereignty and personal liberty of the individual - not the public or government - is what this nation was built around.

shark92651
02-06-2009, 11:45 AM
The only poor judgement was pointing a firearm directly at a camera.

I agree. From a legal standpoint I hope she sues the pants of of them. I also know that common sense needs to be applied and people that like to post pictures of themselves pointing a gun at the camera, including the occasional Calguns member that feels the need to do that in their avatar, just annoy the crap out of me. We are trying to advance our cause and 2nd amendment rights here and pointing a gun at the face of anyone that looks at your picture is not helping.

xxdabroxx
02-06-2009, 11:58 AM
email sent with regards to suing (sp) the district.

AEC1
02-06-2009, 1:05 PM
I took my 9 year old on his first hunting trip this year, first day of school he had pictures all over his books with his 20 gauge and dead birds all over the place, all I was asked was if it was legal at 9 years old. I told them yes, and the pricipal and I shared stories of ouf first hunting trips as kids...

DedEye
02-06-2009, 1:54 PM
This is when a "Shemagh" can come in handy...

http://www.freein4.com/img/item/2217s.jpg

Amen to that!
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_AoYrlVYHOtY/SDIM-pKV4SI/AAAAAAAAACo/ayX6r5VOK3A/s720/area52%20035.jpg





:p

pnkssbtz
02-06-2009, 2:36 PM
The school my son went to called me in for a parent teacher confrence. Why...........on monday mornings the kids talked about what they did on the weekends. Well my boy talked about going to the shooting range and his teacher blew a gasket. They said that he could be suspended for just talking about guns while at school.
Ask the teacher to pull out their history book and skim over to the section on World War 2.

Ask them how they can teach students how to commit genocide.

Ask them how they can teach about world war 2 without covering topics such as firearms, logistics and the atrocities committed.

Then I'd ask them how much more of a hypocrite do they think they could make themselves out to be.

DDT
02-06-2009, 2:59 PM
this really should go to the courts. for her to be reprimanded for such a non-extreme exercise of her first amendment right to free speech is heinous. This is like getting reprimanded for mentioning your voting preference or posting a picture of you outside of your church on your facebook page.

pullnshoot25
02-06-2009, 3:15 PM
I agree. From a legal standpoint I hope she sues the pants of of them. I also know that common sense needs to be applied and people that like to post pictures of themselves pointing a gun at the camera, including the occasional Calguns member that feels the need to do that in their avatar, just annoy the crap out of me. We are trying to advance our cause and 2nd amendment rights here and pointing a gun at the face of anyone that looks at your picture is not helping.

But I like my avatar...:(

N6ATF
02-06-2009, 3:59 PM
Actually since the avatars are on the left side of the page, and the most ergonomic position to look at a monitor is sitting center line, with the top of the screen level with the eyes, members aren't pointing their guns at my face, they're aiming over my shoulder at the bogeyman about to stab me in the back.

That I appreciate.

aplinker
02-06-2009, 4:04 PM
I agree. From a legal standpoint I hope she sues the pants of of them. I also know that common sense needs to be applied and people that like to post pictures of themselves pointing a gun at the camera, including the occasional Calguns member that feels the need to do that in their avatar, just annoy the crap out of me. We are trying to advance our cause and 2nd amendment rights here and pointing a gun at the face of anyone that looks at your picture is not helping.

I agree... it looks awfully aggressive to do it. I take gun pointing as many steps above being flipped off. I wouldn't consider that acceptable for a teacher in public, either.

It's poor taste.

N6ATF
02-06-2009, 4:22 PM
If Oleg Volk was the photog, I think the poor taste thing would quickly fade.

Casey
02-06-2009, 4:48 PM
OH fercryinoutloud! The stupefying of America continues at an amazing pace.

So now it is politically incorrect to even to mention guns at a public school? Pathetic.
Our school system is raising the biggest bunch of sheep this nation has ever seen. Do your part to stop the madness. Call these people on their BS every time.

Here's one for political INCORRECTNESS!

http://kevinfernandez.com/imagenes/chicks_with_guns_05.jpg

N6ATF
02-06-2009, 8:47 PM
Is this going to be another girls and guns thread?

QuarterBoreGunner
02-06-2009, 9:04 PM
Probably not.

ElCUBANO
02-07-2009, 4:34 PM
Check this out. When are we going to stop letting then push us around.








http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9781795&nav=menu1362_10

Some Guy
02-07-2009, 4:49 PM
Dupe

aplinker
02-07-2009, 5:09 PM
:dupe:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=151609

sac550
02-08-2009, 4:49 PM
I hope the NRA is going to offer to assist her.

cousinkix1953
02-09-2009, 3:33 AM
The so-called conservative FOX News Channel was on this bandwagon early Monday morning. They put Lis Weil on TV to defend these communist school administrators. Viewers weren't told that this blonde is the former girl friend of an anti-gun US attorney in Seattle.

Not all of us are that gullible and we know the truth, even if they won't disclose a conflict of interest.

Lis Weil and Tom Wales are the co-founders of Washington Cease Fire. They wanted to ban handguns in the state of Washington. Xerox machines and paper in the federal building to print up copies of something called Measure 8.

It was their own version of California's defeated Proposition 15 in 1982...

dixieD
02-09-2009, 7:02 AM
I can understand the zero gun policy ON CAMPUS, but she's off duty!!!

I can't. I wish that I could get a CCW since I have to subject myself to the danger the gun-free zone of a college campus seems to present.

tenpercentfirearms
02-09-2009, 9:12 AM
I only had like two pictures on my Facebook. I just went and created an album named "guns" and added a bunch of pictures with me and guns.

Let's see the Kern High School District do something about this.

By the way, it is snowing in Taft right now!

tenpercentfirearms
02-09-2009, 9:19 AM
Dupe

I made your signature line! I am honored.

aileron
02-09-2009, 9:41 AM
Im thinking it would be a good idea if every gun owner who posts pics online shoule posts a pic of them pointing a gun at the camera, finger off the trigger. So that it becomes the norm.

As a protest to the press suggesting what is appropriate for us to do with our own guns and cameras.

It needs to have a name for the type of post it is.

RANGER295
02-09-2009, 10:09 AM
As a teacher, this kind of thing really bothers me. I do have a few pictures of myself with weapons on my Facebook profile but they are very non-threatening in nature and my profile is set to private with a very limited access. This is also why I am very careful where I am seen. I am not a big bar guy, but if I do go out with a couple friends, I avoid local establishments. Also, when we are having parties (nothing wild at this stage in life, we are talking a bunch of friends over for a barbeque), all of my friends know not to take a picture of me with alcohol of any kind. That’s right, it is sad, but I don’t even want a picture taken of me with a beer in my hand. In this day and age, who knows where it may end up.

Sadly, I have heard of a number of things like this happen. They usually involve pictures with alcohol or something on the risqué side. Usually what happens if the teacher fights it, is that they get reinstated on first amendment grounds, and then within a year, get a pink slip and are “laid off” because of “cuts” or something like that. They almost always find an unrelated way to get rid of them within the year after they win on something like this.

Edit: Wow! A lot of posts while I was typing!

RudyN
02-09-2009, 10:12 AM
I am glad I am retired as I can put just about anything on facebook (within reason) :43: and not worry about reprecussions at work. I do reenacting and have some pictures of me in uniform(s). Maybe they will keep an eye on me because I am a member of some sort of militia??

Quake0
02-09-2009, 10:23 AM
Schools think they are above the First, Second, fourteenth amendments of the constitution!

Cypren
02-09-2009, 10:54 AM
Schools think they are above the First, Second, fourteenth amendments of the constitution!

According to recent Supreme Court jurisprudence (see Morse v. Frederick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick), 127 S. Ct. 2618 (2007)), they are. Schools are permitted to abrogate First Amendment rights with respect to their students and faculty as long as they follow "content neutral" policies -- which is to say that they must demonstrate that the policy in question was not discriminatory based upon the nature of the action but on its effect. As long as the administrators have reasonable belief that the speech, activity or association in question was disruptive to the learning environment and objectively interfered with the school's primary goal of educating students, they are effectively allowed to act as a private entity rather than a governmental one.

This particular case is unfortunate, but the teacher in question probably would have been disciplined for having put up a Facebook photo showing herself with a mug of beer, a cigarette, or any number of other things which are perfectly legal but deemed "vices" by the school administrators. (When my wife was getting her education degree, one of her professors in an ethics class advised his students not to drink at all as educators; the chance of being seen by a student or parent of a student was simply too high and the career risk too great.) Whether or not her punishment would have been as severe for a less politically charged infraction is certainly a matter for debate, and don't find it unreasonable to suspect that anti-gun bias probably played a role in giving her an administrative suspension -- an effective career-ender for any teacher.

But the fact remains that she showed poor judgment given the known constraints of her role and that the policy in question was almost certainly not grounded solely on political motivation.

N6ATF
02-09-2009, 2:02 PM
Dupe

:dupe:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=151609

Must have been a merge since you linked to this same thread.

Meplat
02-09-2009, 9:34 PM
If that picture had a caption that said: Don't **** with my students, dirtbag. I'd vote her teacher of the year!!!

OOH...that is terrible. I think shes been reprimanded for a terrible picture, that I agree with.:thumbsup:

Meplat
02-09-2009, 9:42 PM
I think you are safe in Taft. Unless you try to go out and drive in the snow. I'll bet there are not one in one hundred taft residents that have a clue about snow. Great town, by the way. An old fashioned red neck kind of place where the men are men and the sheep are nervous!:43:

I only had like two pictures on my Facebook. I just went and created an album named "guns" and added a bunch of pictures with me and guns.

Let's see the Kern High School District do something about this.

By the way, it is snowing in Taft right now!

Meplat
02-09-2009, 9:47 PM
We work in the Taft area from time to time. I will stop by the next time I am there. What street are you on? I prefer to buy from the faithful.

I made your signature line! I am honored.

Meplat
02-09-2009, 9:54 PM
Bull ****! what motivation could there possibly be other than political? This is our heritage and they are trying to destroy it!:43:





But the fact remains that she showed poor judgment given the known constraints of her role and that the policy in question was almost certainly not grounded solely on political motivation.

Theseus
02-09-2009, 10:49 PM
And they wonder why it is hard to recruit good teachers....

According to recent Supreme Court jurisprudence (see Morse v. Frederick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_v._Frederick), 127 S. Ct. 2618 (2007)), they are. Schools are permitted to abrogate First Amendment rights with respect to their students and faculty as long as they follow "content neutral" policies -- which is to say that they must demonstrate that the policy in question was not discriminatory based upon the nature of the action but on its effect. As long as the administrators have reasonable belief that the speech, activity or association in question was disruptive to the learning environment and objectively interfered with the school's primary goal of educating students, they are effectively allowed to act as a private entity rather than a governmental one.

This particular case is unfortunate, but the teacher in question probably would have been disciplined for having put up a Facebook photo showing herself with a mug of beer, a cigarette, or any number of other things which are perfectly legal but deemed "vices" by the school administrators. (When my wife was getting her education degree, one of her professors in an ethics class advised his students not to drink at all as educators; the chance of being seen by a student or parent of a student was simply too high and the career risk too great.) Whether or not her punishment would have been as severe for a less politically charged infraction is certainly a matter for debate, and don't find it unreasonable to suspect that anti-gun bias probably played a role in giving her an administrative suspension -- an effective career-ender for any teacher.

But the fact remains that she showed poor judgment given the known constraints of her role and that the policy in question was almost certainly not grounded solely on political motivation.

GuyW
02-10-2009, 7:34 AM
And they wonder why it is hard to recruit good teachers....

Actually, they wonder why its hard to recruit mindless drones who'll parrot the "big government is your savior" line...
.

thomasanelson
02-10-2009, 3:05 PM
No 1st amendment nor 2nd amendment rights. Orwell was right about 1984.

radioburning
02-10-2009, 7:33 PM
I guess things have changed a little...
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=c6ae331be7e03609_landing
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=0950fa619660247d_landing
http://tbn0.google.com/hosted/images/c?q=724013282777b13d_landing

Quiet
02-16-2009, 5:41 PM
I hope she sues and wins. I suggest contacting the ACLU ;).

"The ACLU of Wisconsin is defending a Beaver Dam teacher who was put on administrative leave after she posted a questionable photo on her Facebook page." (http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9802250&nav=menu1362_2)

One of the 25 random things the Beaver Dam School District does not want to know about their teachers is what they look like pointing rifles.

Or at least that seems to be the idea behind the administrative leave given to Beaver Dam Middle School teacher who posted a Facebook profile picture of her holdling a rifle.

School safety is important, but so is the freedom of people (even teachers) to express themselves on their own time.

The context of the photo, which shows Ramsdale training the rifle toward the camera, involves the fact that her page is both personal and that she is a gun enthusiast. News reports haven't detailed any other grounds for concern about the teacher's behavior or any sinister intent.

"Absent any evidence that the teacher poses a threat, the district should not over-react to the sight of a gun in one of their employee's hands", said Chris Ahmuty, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin today.

The ACLU took student off-campus expression to the Supreme Court in the narrowly decided Morse v. Frederick case (more famously known as the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus"). With student expression on trial, the court sided with arguments that if the content of the expression alluded to things that were against school rules, students can't say it even if it is at a non-official or off-campus event.

This same logic seems to be applying to the teacher's Facebook picture: while weapons aren't allowed in school to protect students' safety, where is the protection for teachers' off-duty expression?
www.aclu-wi.org

DedEye
02-16-2009, 5:51 PM
"The ACLU of Wisconsin is defending a Beaver Dam teacher who was put on administrative leave after she posted a questionable photo on her Facebook page." (http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9802250&nav=menu1362_2)


www.aclu-wi.org

Take that ACLU haters :D! :clap::clap::clap:

kermit315
02-16-2009, 5:55 PM
It isnt very often that I get behind the ACLU, but this time I will.

mrlonewolf
02-16-2009, 6:04 PM
This time for the ACLU.........:thumbsup:

Seesm
02-16-2009, 6:20 PM
Pretty lame truly... Lame... I would not want to be the person taking the pic but it is just a pretend pic for a goofy website who cares.

What she does on her personal time is her deal right....?

When are YOU able to be you now in the world anyway?

DDT
02-16-2009, 8:29 PM
When are YOU able to be you now in the world anyway?

When you have your own reality TV show. That way the bigger idiot you prove to be the more money you make. Welcome to America.

vrand
02-16-2009, 8:40 PM
Take that ACLU haters :D! :clap::clap::clap:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day :43: