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tenpercentfirearms
02-05-2009, 5:59 PM
An older lady comes in today with her younger son (kid might have been 18, no way was he older than 21, probably still in high school). They are eying the Phoenix Arms .22 LR Pistol I have in the case. I take it out and clear it and hand it to her. She takes a couple looks and within about 10 seconds points it right at her kid and pulls the trigger. It wasn't a joke, she just decided to dry fire it right at her kid.

:censored:

What would you do about it?

zeb
02-05-2009, 6:01 PM
I would have "politely" showed them to the door.

chickenfried
02-05-2009, 6:15 PM
If a gun store shoved everyone that handled guns unsafely out the door, they wouldn't be around long. That's like 50% of the customers:p

randy
02-05-2009, 6:25 PM
You don't expect it yet from everybody that walks through the door?

ironpete
02-05-2009, 6:27 PM
Voted without reading the post.

Unacceptable behavior like that would earn an escort out the door.

I mean...who jokes like that?

-pete

Sam
02-05-2009, 6:30 PM
I'd tell them the seriousness of the four rules and then asked them to leave if they didn't want to follow them. Seriously, I get the business end of a gun pointed at me almost every trip to a shop and I ask them to watch their muzzle discipline. I try to be stern but still come off as a good guy.

Turbinator
02-05-2009, 6:30 PM
I agree with the sentiment here - if the behavior is totally out of line (such as what you've posted here, Wes) then it's time to see the door. If it involves dry firing .22lr's, wrist-flipping revolver cylinders closed, or dropping slides on empty chambers, then education is in order.

Messing around by dry firing AT people - kick 'em out.

Turby

Bird of Fire
02-05-2009, 6:32 PM
I as a customer prefer to ask the salesman if I may dryfire the pistol, and if so, where he would prefer I point it. Always hand it back with the action open. This is just common sense stuff here...

Max-the-Silent
02-05-2009, 6:37 PM
Education and a chance to correct bad habits first.

Boot in the *** if they don't get the message.

grammaton76
02-05-2009, 6:39 PM
I don't agree with just escorting them out, but only for the boy's sake.

Clearly he has been reared by an ignorant nincompoop. She herself deserves nothing more than the boot, but they're a package deal, so talk to them both in the hopes of something getting through to the boy at least. The woman is probably a lost cause.

I'd just sigh and say, "...now if the customer before you had slipped a round into that gun without me or you noticing it, we'd be calling 911 and your son would now be brain-dead at best. Afterwards, if you had any class, you'd commit suicide after taking your own son's life in a stupid showoff display. Guns are absolutely safe if you exercise proper discipline, but you don't just pretend they're toys. Ever." And then probably get into the four rules, etc etc.

CSACANNONEER
02-05-2009, 6:43 PM
When I worked at a shop/range, I've been polite and other times I've blown up. If I was there when your incident happened, I probably would have yelled at her, made her feel very small and then calmly explained the situation to her as I apologized for blowning a fuse. Yea, I would have apologized to her because it's not only better than losing a customer but, I think she would "get it" and not just think that some macho, no it all, has a bad attitude.

Greg-Dawg
02-05-2009, 6:46 PM
First of all, you should mention some set rules before handing any gun to a customer. They may be a newb or they may be trained, but gun safety is universal.

Mentioning "We treat EVERY firearm as if they are loaded" can move mountains.

cheese
02-05-2009, 6:49 PM
First of all, you should mention some set rules before handing any gun to a customer. They may be a newb or they may be trained, but gun safety is universal.

Mentioning "We treat EVERY firearm as if they are loaded" can move mountains.

Let them know none of them have the training to handle the weapon like the guy in your avatar:p

Desert_Rat
02-05-2009, 6:54 PM
What would you do if the neighbor kid calls you on the phone and says "Hey, come over I got the new nintendo game called "CONTRAS" lets play it" and when you get there he has a varmint rifle on the bipod aimed at the door and says "BANG!":84:

As for the shop maybe just a little spray bottle with water,you could spray them with like training a cat.
If that does not work maybe a photo of a bunny that was killed with a .22lr
then talk about the whole "never aim at ANYTHING you don't intend to destroy"thing
Jeremiah

movie zombie
02-05-2009, 7:02 PM
what she did is beyond needing simple education. i'd kick her out and let the kid stay for a lesson.

mz

7x57
02-05-2009, 7:05 PM
I did not vote--since I am not an FFL it's too easy to give an answer without having to deal with the business consequences.

However, the last time I bought a gun at a gun show someone next to me pointed a pistol at me and said "bang" with a stupid smile. Not as bad as actually dry-firing, but a horrible breach of THE LAW never the less. I was so stunned it took a minute to even figure out what to do. Finally I pointed around the room and said that there were a great many people with guns all over who did not hear anything he said, but did see him point a gun at me, and asked if he really wanted to be seen pointing a gun at someone in front of so many armed witnesses.

That was much too mild, but I have a habit of *not* flying off the handle without thinking things through first, and that has saved me a lot of trouble so it's a habit worth having. But the next time I will probably say something like "Are you aware that you just committed felony assault in front of half a dozen witnesses, and if I reported it to the state you might lose your right to own a gun for the rest of your life?" (*) The rationale is that someone stupid enough to do something like that probably won't respond to much, but the threat of losing his 2A rights might just make him think twice where basic safety won't.

That's an alternative to exercising my right of self-defense against someone pointing a deadly weapon at me--in that case, that would have meant cracking him over the head with the full-sized 1911 I was examining before he could shoot me. See why my instinct not to do the first thing that comes to mind often saves me a whole lot of trouble? :eek:

7x57

* I suppose there are several ways this might not hold up in court happening in that precise way and context--cry me a river. The point is to make an impression on the extremely dense, not discuss the finer points of law.

Echidin
02-05-2009, 7:05 PM
First of all, you should mention some set rules before handing any gun to a customer. They may be a newb or they may be trained, but gun safety is universal.

Mentioning "We treat EVERY firearm as if they are loaded" can move mountains.

+1

I think if she were to hear this, she might have thought twice about doing it.

SJgunguy24
02-05-2009, 7:13 PM
I would ask the lady, if that gun was loaded, would you do that? A firearm is a tool, not a toy. Then ask her to leave if she still wants to use poor judgment when handling firearms.

Desert_Rat
02-05-2009, 7:13 PM
However, the last time I bought a gun at a gun show someone next to me pointed a pistol at me and said "bang" with a stupid smile. Not as bad as actually dry-firing, but a horrible breach of THE LAW never the less. I was so stunned it took a minute to even figure out what to do. Finally I pointed around the room and said that there were a great many people with guns all over who did not hear anything he said, but did see him point a gun at me, and asked if he really wanted to be seen pointing a gun at someone in front of so many armed witnesses.

That was much too mild, but I have a habit of *not* flying off the handle without thinking things through first, and that has saved me a lot of trouble so it's a habit worth having. But the next time I will probably say something like "Are you aware that you just committed felony assault in front of half a dozen witnesses, and if I reported it to the state you might lose your right to own a gun for the rest of your life?" (*) The rationale is that someone stupid enough to do something like that probably won't respond to much, but the threat of losing his 2A rights might just make him think twice where basic safety won't.

This is when we were in Jr. High in the late 80's.The guy was and still is my friend.We are in our 30's now and definantly know better.I never held it against him.

7x57
02-05-2009, 7:21 PM
As for the shop maybe just a little spray bottle with water,you could spray them with like training a cat.


"Bad gunnie, BAD! BAD!" :rofl:

If Wes tries this, I will drive all the way up to Kern County just to see it in action. :popcorn:

7x57

Kruzr
02-05-2009, 7:24 PM
Whenever I handed someone a gun from behind the counter, I always pointed out the safe direction to point it in. Put a target up high on a wall near a corner or someplace safe. When you hand them a gun, point to the target and say, "that's the safe place to point it."

Josh3239
02-05-2009, 7:37 PM
Poor gun safety deserves to be corrected. Pointing a gun at somebody and pulling the trigger deserves an immediate ban from your store IMO Although right before throwing them out I would have told them to never, ever point a gun at someone.

So what did you do?

Desert_Rat
02-05-2009, 7:40 PM
Whenever I handed someone a gun from behind the counter, I always pointed out the safe direction to point it in. Put a target up high on a wall near a corner or someplace safe. When you hand them a gun, point to the target and say, "that's the safe place to point it."

My brother in law was shopping for a hunting bow.The guy gave him a target tipped arrow and pointed to a target in the corner like you describe said clearly "Let it fly" my bro in law says "What!?",Dude says "it's OK trust me"
so bro in law lets it fly,dude says "WTF!!??" Bro in law says"you said its OK"I told the dude "Yup" and he was embarassed and we were thrown out for being STOOPID.

GammaRei
02-05-2009, 7:41 PM
An older lady comes in today with her younger son (kid might have been 18, no way was he older than 21, probably still in high school). They are eying the Phoenix Arms .22 LR Pistol I have in the case. I take it out and clear it and hand it to her. She takes a couple looks and within about 10 seconds points it right at her kid and pulls the trigger. It wasn't a joke, she just decided to dry fire it right at her kid.

:censored:

What would you do about it?

For that I would kick her out. But other people, that have bad trigger etiquette need to be corrected. What she did was just plain stupid. I wouldnt sell her a firearm either and wouldve contacted CPS. . .

- G

chickenfried
02-05-2009, 7:43 PM
The diabolical gun shop owner and his evil wares would get more bad publicity than the mom.

wouldve contacted CPS. . .

- G

tyrist
02-05-2009, 7:44 PM
That is'nt just a simple matter of poor gun safety...it's willful and wanton disreguard.

devildog999
02-05-2009, 7:47 PM
I would send her right out the door. Woman knows better, there is no need to politely educate her on gun safety. She knows or should know regardless that is dangerous.

sorensen440
02-05-2009, 7:49 PM
If it wasn't meant as a joke as you said she needs to understand how many times doing just that has resulted in a death.
Not selling to her isnt going to stop her from getting a gun so I would do my best to change her attitude about gun saftey.

grammaton76
02-05-2009, 7:57 PM
I will say that although I get muzzle swept all the time at the CWS table by customers, I haven't ever had one aim a gun at me and deliberately pull the trigger, nor have I seen them point 'em at each other and do the same. I'm not quite sure what I'd do there as immediate action, but I do know that chewing-out would certainly ensue.

I do that know my mom's wrist was extremely uncomfortable shortly after the only time she ever pointed an Airsoft gun directly at me. I was just a teenager then and didn't even think about what I was doing... I just know that before I really thought what was going on, the gun was flying in one direction and she was holding her wrist with her other hand. Thinking about it, doing that out in CA would probably have pegged me for domestic violence, although we both knew she was the one to have screwed up by pointing a handgun (even if it was a replica) at someone's face... much less at melee distance.

Mssr. Eleganté
02-05-2009, 8:14 PM
I do that know my mom's wrist was extremely uncomfortable shortly after the only time she ever pointed an Airsoft gun directly at me. I was just a teenager then and didn't even think about what I was doing... I just know that before I really thought what was going on, the gun was flying in one direction and she was holding her wrist with her other hand. Thinking about it, doing that out in CA would probably have pegged me for domestic violence, although we both knew she was the one to have screwed up by pointing a handgun (even if it was a replica) at someone's face... much less at melee distance.

Looks like you forgot the Golden Rule. Never let your mother close to melee distance.

joemama
02-05-2009, 8:17 PM
This is one of the biggest problems I run into in gun stores. Nothing like looking down the barrel of a rifle or pistol. I just don't understand where the common sense goes. Whenever I'm messing around with one I always aim up in the air and behind the counter. You should have taken the gun right then and there, and taught her a little gun safety 101. I would have been pretty reluctant to sell a gun to someone so blatantly irresponsible and having so much disregard for their own child's life as well.

Dr. Peter Venkman
02-05-2009, 8:18 PM
Yell at them, kick out, and educate on a case-by-case basis.

AlexBreya
02-05-2009, 8:19 PM
I would have kicked her out for not letting the hammer down easy...

Crusader
02-05-2009, 8:30 PM
Educate her, but definitely not politely. There's a reason so many people are hurt every year from firearms. I would have made sure to use her dead son as an example of why not to fire a weapon while pointed at someone.

tcrpe
02-05-2009, 8:31 PM
I'm in the gun shop all the time. It is very common to see some idiot barrel sweeping the people in the shop with his finger on the trigger.

I just position myself so that someone else is between us.

Kruzr
02-05-2009, 8:32 PM
I've had more guns pointed at me by Turner's employees than by customers. :)

I refuse to even go into the FV Turners on days Henry is working (or I should say....pointing guns at people.)

recshooter
02-05-2009, 9:37 PM
What did you do Tenpercent? After reading through much of the thread, I am curious, if you feel like sharing.

BTW, I did a premature vote. Education is still good, but I might replace "polite" with "stern" in this case.

berto
02-05-2009, 10:11 PM
Shoot them.

I kid.

A safety lesson would make things better for the rest of us but any attitude from the dummy should get them a foot to the posterior.

dilligaffrn
02-05-2009, 10:12 PM
Instruct!

1. Treat all guns as they are always loaded.
2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4. Always be sure of your target(and what is beyond).
—Jeff Cooper

or

The NRA rules:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
—The NRA

Kiba
02-05-2009, 10:24 PM
My hunting safety class instructor had a great way of teaching trigger discipline-- although I probably don't recommend his method in a retail store. It does get the point across VERY clearly and gets the full attention of the person ASAP.

The instructor would call someone up from the class, hand them a gun and tell them to point it somewhere and pull the trigger... and he had the gun loaded with a blank. This was absolutely deafening when performed in a 20' x 20' basement. He would then scream bloody murder at the trigger puller and at the class in general for not following the safety rules.

One Saturday he got 4 different people to do this, at different times, in the same class session. After the first "bang" every time he asked someone to come up to the front and hold another gun I would discreetly plug my ears. He would make eye contact with me and shoot me a little grin because I knew what was coming... I was only 11 at the time.

Like most others here, I've seen bad safety manners of all sorts in gun shops from both customers (the majority) and employees. How you handle it depends if you want to make a sale or an example out of them... and depending on the person and their conduct sometimes I'd probably make an example of them rather than a sale. LOL!

7x57
02-05-2009, 11:14 PM
It wasn't a joke, she just decided to dry fire it right at her kid.


Curse you, Wes. I just realized that your story justifies the California "safe handling demonstration" mandate. How are we going to fight the nanny state if you do stuff like that? :chris:

7x57

glockman19
02-05-2009, 11:27 PM
I voted "Kick them out for being so stupid.", because that is what I would have done after "Politely educating them on proper gun safety."

jumbopanda
02-05-2009, 11:30 PM
I'd correct their behavior, but if they try to play it off like it wasn't a big deal or if they have a bad attitude about it, I'd kick them out.

aplinker
02-05-2009, 11:45 PM
try hitting them. ;)

I can guess what you did... you went "El Rojo." :D

darksands
02-05-2009, 11:48 PM
C. What is the Safe Handling Demonstration?

(a). The Safe Handling Demonstration is a set of firearm handling skills that must be performed by the purchaser with the gun they are purchasing or with a gun of the same model as the one that is being purchased. The skills include checking that the handgun is empty, unlocking it, loading it with a dummy round, unloading it and relocking it. This demonstration is performed at the time of DROS.


I would say this should be performed if you want to look at the gun.

5968
02-06-2009, 2:31 AM
Educate!

DedEye
02-06-2009, 2:49 AM
I'd explain why that's an idiotic thing to do and educate them on proper firearms handling and safety.

Wild Squid
02-06-2009, 3:18 AM
I would have tackled her, threw her out by her hair.

DedEye
02-06-2009, 3:33 AM
I would have tackled her, threw her out by her hair.

:rolleyes: Really? You'd have grabbed some old grandma type and thrown her out by the hair?

Hyperbole or not, that sort of internet tough-guyism just looks dumb and doesn't reflect well on you, even if she's the one originally to blame with her irresponsible behavior.

jumbopanda
02-06-2009, 3:39 AM
I would have tackled her, threw her out by her hair.

No you wouldn't have.

Stormfeather
02-06-2009, 5:18 AM
I would have tackled her, threw her out by her hair.

uh huh. . . .


ETA: calmer minds than mine seem to have prevailed before I unleashed the verbal ****storm I had in mind for this statement.

tenpercentfirearms
02-06-2009, 6:25 AM
I would have tackled her, threw her out by her hair.

The people on these boards don't understand dry humor.

Turbinator
02-06-2009, 6:53 AM
The people on these boards don't understand dry humor.

So was it tough throwing her out by the hair? :)

Turby

battlehatch
02-06-2009, 7:11 AM
I'd snatch that pistol up faster than you can say "Paul Helmke", then I'd ask her what in the world she was thinking, then I would tell her that firearms probably aren't a good idea for her and show her the exit.

On the other hand, maybe I would do the first two things, then try and educate her... Guess it depends on her reactions and responses...

Jonathan Doe
02-06-2009, 7:13 AM
Not "politely" educate them on firearms safety.

deleted by PC police
02-06-2009, 7:16 AM
My Uncle did that same thing to my mom. They were cleaning out my grandmothers attic and found a revolver, he turned to her said stick em up and pulled the trigger. I'm very grateful that whom ever put that firearm up there had the sense to put it up there unloaded

tmuller
02-06-2009, 7:43 AM
So what did you do?

Californio
02-06-2009, 8:13 AM
Try to educate if she did not accept the info given, throw them out. Would she not have to pass the HSC test to buy it for him?

bubbagump
02-06-2009, 11:05 AM
I wouldn't kick them out, but I probably wouldn't be so polite with the next few words that came out of my mouth.

I've had people standing right next to me sweep me with a barrel several times. I usually grab the barrel with my hand, point it in a safe direction for them, and tell them to please not point their gun at me. That usually does it.

I've taken new shooters to shops before, because they were interested in buying something. I was always very vocal about pointing the gun in a safe direction, etc.

strangerdude
02-06-2009, 11:06 AM
If it's not loaded who cares, let the lady pretend to kill her son.

tcrpe
02-06-2009, 11:07 AM
. . . it's not loaded . . . . .

Famous last words . . . . .

tcrpe
02-06-2009, 11:08 AM
I was in a gun shop as a customer. The shop owner/gunsmithand a customer were looking at a double gun for makers marks , proof marks and what gun house in Belgium.
long story short, the gunsmith finally got around to opening it and two shells fell out.Made me feel real good as I was standing about 10 feet away at the counter.Should the shop owner have been thrown out for being careless??

Yes.

ar15barrels
02-06-2009, 11:09 AM
Not important but i look 17 tops but im 24

You could probably make good money in the fake kiddie porn industry. :thumbsup:

tteng
02-06-2009, 12:51 PM
10%,

You're a teacher, right? So, teach.

You're a businessman, right? So, after mesmerizing her w/ your teaching prowess, maybe you can dump her couple-k rounds of 22LR and sign her up for some expensive, but discounted, shooting lesson.

CSACANNONEER
02-07-2009, 8:41 AM
I would have kicked her out for not letting the hammer down easy...

I'm unfamilar with the gun in question but, I know many manufacturers actually say not to let the hammer down easy. Try reading a Kimber's owner's manual sometime. It can actually be harder on the sear and other parts to gentally drop the hammer.

7x57
02-07-2009, 9:15 AM
Hmm. I think the answer here is to learn a small-object-production magic trick or two. Then when people do stupid stuff you take the gun back and "unload" your palmed round out of it and show them what they almost fired. :43:

Of course, you eventually build up the reputation of handing loaded guns to customers, but as it's your money I say it's worth it.

7x57

eccvets
02-07-2009, 9:48 AM
mucho halariouso! haha its fine as you already cleared it and who cares if there was one in the chamber, she choose to pull the trigger, not you. Now if she pointed it at you and pulled the trigger I would have pulled my gun and quick fired at her!

I say don't say anything, not if you wanna make a sale. If you can't take the heat, get out of the gun selling biz!

Capt. Speirs
02-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Three guys walked into this gun shop, which will remain nameless, one of them ask to see an 870 (not by name, just pointed at it) he proceeded to rack the gun, (guess he knew a little bit about shotguns) pointed it at his friends head and pulled the trigger, yes pulled not squeezed. The employee just stood there like a little lamb and didn't say a thing. I gave the employee a very dirty look and said "time to leave".

Tarn_Helm
02-07-2009, 11:52 AM
An older lady comes in today with her younger son (kid might have been 18, no way was he older than 21, probably still in high school). They are eying the Phoenix Arms .22 LR Pistol I have in the case. I take it out and clear it and hand it to her. She takes a couple looks and within about 10 seconds points it right at her kid and pulls the trigger. It wasn't a joke, she just decided to dry fire it right at her kid.

:censored:

What would you do about it?

If people did this out on the range, I'd politely educate them:D:
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Seriously, I would have the 4 rules of gun safety posted on the wall in 10 inch tall bold letters directly behind the gun counter at four foot intervals--I would point those rules out all day every day to new faces.

Prevention is the only real cure for bad gun handling.

Steve O
02-07-2009, 2:01 PM
just sell her dumb *** the gun, and ask her not to come back. lol.
shes gonna get it anyway....

squishyhead
02-07-2009, 3:17 PM
Step one, educate her on how INCREADIBLY stupid/dangerous her actions were. Let her know everything she did wrong, and exactly what could have resulted from such disregard for gun safety. Step two, excersise your right to refuse service to anyone and show her the door. That way she's wiser having gone into your store, and we're all safer because she isn't leaving with a firearm!

762cavalier
02-07-2009, 3:42 PM
While I find the mother's actions appallingly stupid and reckless I think just kicking her out of the store does her and the public at large a great disservice. That would have been the perfect opportunity to sternly but politely educate her and her son on the principals of good firearm safety. Flying off the handle, yelling at her and throwing her out by her hair:D would not have made any difference to her however the time spent educating her would have been time well spent.:thumbsup:

eccvets
02-07-2009, 4:04 PM
Three guys walked into this gun shop, which will remain nameless, one of them ask to see an 870 (not by name, just pointed at it) he proceeded to rack the gun, (guess he knew a little bit about shotguns) pointed it at his friends head and pulled the trigger, yes pulled not squeezed. The employee just stood there like a little lamb and didn't say a thing. I gave the employee a very dirty look and said "time to leave".

so your saying if hte guy chewed the guy out like christian bale on a rant, you would be more likely to buy a gun? hell no and you know this as a fact! your in a service industry if your selling guns and if you piss people off, they are more unlikely to buy a gun and you have to be a complete moron to think otherwise. Seriously, use a brain instead of your machismo, it might look cool in the movies but it just makes you a jackass and poor in real life!

Mssr. Eleganté
02-07-2009, 4:39 PM
They are eying the Phoenix Arms .22 LR Pistol I have in the case.


If it was a Les Baer or something, I'd take the time to educate them.

For a Phoenix Arms? NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!

duraglock
02-07-2009, 4:49 PM
Before you hand over a firearm educate them about it. Instruct them on the 4 safety rules. Provide a safe area for weapons to be pointed. A dry fire target area.

capitol
02-07-2009, 7:38 PM
give her a free box of ammo

leelaw
02-07-2009, 7:41 PM
If it's an empty gun, I warn once. A second occurance results in ejection from the store.

If it's with a loaded gun, they're ejected immediately.

FortCourageArmory
02-07-2009, 8:20 PM
If it's an empty gun, I warn once. A second occurance results in ejection from the store.

If it's with a loaded gun, they're ejected immediately.
If it was a loaded gun, wouldn't that have resulted in a bit of a mess? Not to mention police, fire, and ambulance response. ;)

leelaw
02-07-2009, 9:09 PM
If it was a loaded gun, wouldn't that have resulted in a bit of a mess? Not to mention police, fire, and ambulance response. ;)

In this case it was some secutiry guard who felt that he could illegally carry openly out of uniform because he had a guard card. He took out the gun, muzzle swept me with his finger on the trigger, and subsequently had his gun taken from him, unloaded, and he was then shown the door.

N6ATF
02-08-2009, 12:03 AM
I'd have my own handgun safety card. Everyone entering the shop wanting to buy a gun has to handle a blue gun first. If they are safe with that, they get the card with a unique number I log in a database, and all they have to do to handle real guns is to present it before asking to try them out. If they screw up with the blue gun, I'd hand them a separate card - directing them to a safe handling class.

Shotgun Dave
02-08-2009, 6:21 PM
Eh....Nothing worse than a gun snob. It's not like they are doing it to upset you. They just don't know better about firearm safety.

Shotgun Dave
02-08-2009, 6:22 PM
I'd have my own handgun safety card. Everyone entering the shop has to handle a blue gun. If they are safe with that, they get the card with a unique number I log in a database, and all they have to do to handle real guns is to present it before asking to try them out. If they screw up with the blue gun, I'd hand them a separate card - directing them to a safe handling class.

Sounds like a good way to lose casual customers.

xxxx
02-08-2009, 7:18 PM
An older lady comes in today with her younger son (kid might have been 18, no way was he older than 21, probably still in high school). They are eying the Phoenix Arms .22 LR Pistol I have in the case. I take it out and clear it and hand it to her. She takes a couple looks and within about 10 seconds points it right at her kid and pulls the trigger. It wasn't a joke, she just decided to dry fire it right at her kid.

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What would you do about it?

#1 She dry fired a rim fire - could of damaged the gun.
#2 She is obviously very stupid and I would never sell a gun to someone like that, thus they have no reason to be in the store

I would tell her how she just put her sons life in danger, damaged a pistol, and you refuse to sell her or let her handle anymore firearms.

If she gave me any lip my ear would be on the phone with child protective services.

N6ATF
02-08-2009, 7:22 PM
Sounds like a good way to lose casual customers.

Fixed my post.

I don't consider buyers of guns "casual" customers. If you're not there to buy guns, you are a casual customer in my mind. And then you don't need the test.