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wildog8812
02-04-2009, 9:12 PM
So my dad is transferring a handgun into my name so I went to some local gun shops to take the HSC test. The first four I went to were out and then I went to Herb Bauer, where they said it was their company policy only to issue the cards to people buying guns from them. This is ridiculous...how can you make getting an HSC mandatory if you can not find anywhere to take the test?

Barbarossa
02-04-2009, 9:12 PM
Exactly.

ETD1010
02-04-2009, 9:44 PM
So my dad is transferring a handgun into my name so I went to some local gun shops to take the HSC test. The first four I went to were out and then I went to Herb Bauer, where they said it was their company policy only to issue the cards to people buying guns from them. This is ridiculous...how can you make getting an HSC mandatory if you can not find anywhere to take the test?

I agree to a point, but the last 3 months have been crazy; the ATF is out of forms, suppliers are out of supply, manufacturer's warehouses are empty. . . Under normal circumstances, I've never seen a shortage of HSC's or 4473s. . .

Lesson here? STOP BUYING ALL THE GUNS! :eek:

DDT
02-04-2009, 11:11 PM
I went to Herb Bauer, where they said it was their company policy only to issue the cards to people buying guns from them. This is ridiculous...how can you make getting an HSC mandatory if you can not find anywhere to take the test?

They don't have that option. Call DOJ and confirm then walk back in. When they tell you they won't give you the test call DOJ on the spot and let them explain it to the counter monkey.

ETD1010
02-04-2009, 11:19 PM
They don't have that option. Call DOJ and confirm then walk back in. When they tell you they won't give you the test call DOJ on the spot and let them explain it to the counter monkey.

I never thought they HAD to administer a test for someone. . . hrm. interesting. I know someone who was "escorted to the door and asked to leave" when he asked for an HSC test but didn't want to purchase a gun from them.

DDT
02-04-2009, 11:22 PM
I believe that the test is a requirement to have the California license just like PPTs are. Hopefully one of the FFLs here will chime in with the facts.

ghostwong
02-04-2009, 11:23 PM
If you were closer to LA, I can give you the test!

thedrickel
02-05-2009, 2:20 AM
HSC testing ability is required if you stock/sell/transfer handguns, IIRC. If you are out of HSC's . . . you are f'd tho. We are in Fresno and have a few left.

fairfaxjim
02-05-2009, 9:22 AM
HSC testing ability is required if you stock/sell/transfer handguns, IIRC. If you are out of HSC's . . . you are f'd tho. We are in Fresno and have a few left.

Could you please cite the PC or reg. that requires that. I have previously searched through the PC and could not find the requirement that firearms dealer is required to administer the HSC test. They are required to see it and make a copy for the record, and they are required to perform the safe handling test, and therefore need an HSC instructors cert., but I haven't been able to find anything like the must do PPT's wording in regards to the HSC's.

Geodetic
02-05-2009, 11:38 AM
I think HB's stays in business because they stock other items not related to firearms and the fact they do have a good selection of guns. I think some of the gun counter guys are on commission which may explain the higher pricees. I can't justify their prices though.

ontargetrange
02-05-2009, 8:16 PM
As an FFL and a HSC Instructor there is no requirement to purchase the certificates to give the tests -- the instructor requirement is for completing the sale and the handgun profeciency sign off --- there is no requirement to have the ceertifcates, BUT if you have them they are for ANYONE who asks for them -- you can not regulate -- the DOJ will tell you very clearly that the tests are for EVERYONE ---

Some places just cop an attitude about things -- sorry I am so far away -- everyone is welcome here!!!!

GunSlut
02-05-2009, 9:48 PM
As an FFL and a HSC Instructor there is no requirement to purchase the certificates to give the tests --

You need to read the order form:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/hscof.pdf

You MUST supply either DOJ Certified Instructor
or Firearms Dealers Licensee Name,PLUS Certified Instructor # and/or California Firearms Dealer #.

CA-DOJ went through 7 months supply of certs in less than 3 months. They just got them in from the printer this week.

laguns
02-06-2009, 8:55 AM
If I were a conspiracy theorist I would have to wonder if DOJ just felt enough was enough and decided to slow down the buying frenzy by "running out" of HSC cards. Hmm, good thing I'm not.

BTW, I have never refused administering an HSC test but I was not aware of any law that stated dealers have to provide the test to anyone asking as they do the PPT service.

FortCourageArmory
02-06-2009, 10:47 AM
There's no requirement to administer the HSC test or issue the HSC cards for an FFL as far as I know. It would be problematic to sell a handgun if someone at the store wasn't "certified" as an instructor to give the Safe Handling Demo though. You'd have to have someone come in that was certified and it would be very clunky to make it work. It's also good business sense to do so however. If I have a customer that's hot for a gun and I can get him an HSC and make a sale....good day for me. What's killing us is that we ran out of cards a while ago and the DOJ hasn't sent us replacements yet. They were kind enough to cash my check though......

sorensen440
02-06-2009, 10:54 AM
Damn... they should bare minimum let the store complete the transfer without it if the store cant get cards from the doj within a couple days

rayra
02-06-2009, 3:06 PM
I don't see anything obvious that states the certified instructors are required to provide the exam to anyone requesting it, regardless of their customer status, but I do believe that provision is somewhere in there just as they are all required to conduct PPT transfers.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/hscfaqs.php#Firearms

If I were the OP I'd contact the CA DOJ vie their email link or phone number and get a ruling that you can then take into that shop and club them over the head with.
And I'd make it pretty ****ing plain to that shop that their obstructive non-service-oriented monopoly-minded ****ty business practices guarantee that I never spend another dime in their shop.