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Liberty1
02-03-2009, 2:09 PM
:patriot: There are those who talk and those who do. CALGUNNERS DO! And one of our own needs your help. :patriot:


The Calguns Foundation has started a Legal Defense fund where you can donate to this cause. (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)


Theseus has been unloaded open carrying (http://californiaopencarry.org/) for the better part of a year in East LA County, an area known for violent gang crimes and assaults against peaceful law abiding (but unarmed) citizens. He has carried in compliance with ALL state laws to be able to defend his young wife and daughter as every free American has a Right to do.


He has also shown and proven that it can be done responsibly and that the public doesn't react with panic and terror at the mere sight of a peacefully holstered sidearm.


Theseus has been charged with but did not violate the School Zone gun prohibition. He has always been very careful to stay within the law (a Calguns specialty :thumbsup:) When he was contacted by police he was not arrested as his possession was legal.


It was not until the police went back 3 DAYS LATER WITH A MEASURING DEVICE did the officers realize that it was even within 1000' of a school. THE POLICE DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS IN A "SCHOOL ZONE" at the time Theseus was contacted! A report was sent to the DA's Office and they filed charges (no mention was made that Theseus was on private property).


He was clearly on Private Property, which is also clearly exempted from the school zone law:


626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone...

(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
property...


Theseus is well represented by Bruce Colodny, Esq. (http://www.gunlaw.com/), one of So Cals finest 2nd Amendment defense attorneys. I'm told that Bruce has every confindence that Theseus will be shown to have been legal in his self defense firearm possession.


Please join me and many other Calgunners in supporting Theseus, a law abiding American, Father and Husband, against this politically motivated charge and send a message that the SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS means what it says and that we will
STAND BY OUR OWN!


Please give whatever you can afford. None of us are safe in the face of these unconstitutional laws and politically motivated charges. This could easily some day be you. Will you not now stand with him? Together we are stronger!



Please donate today. All monies not used will be placed into the Calguns Foundation Fund
to be used to further the fight for our Basic Human Self Defense Rights. (http://www.a-human-right.com/)

:79:


PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)



(note: I do not represent the CGF, but I am a supporter!)

97F1504RAD
02-03-2009, 4:16 PM
Sent what I could

inmyownsummerami
02-03-2009, 4:25 PM
I can't donate anything now, but I'm glad to see that the CGF has decided to set up a defense fund for a UOC case.

xxdabroxx
02-03-2009, 6:46 PM
+35

vladbutsky
02-03-2009, 6:51 PM
$100

Dmitri76
02-03-2009, 6:56 PM
+20

missiondude
02-03-2009, 6:59 PM
donation inbound...

Good Luck with your case.

aileron
02-03-2009, 7:04 PM
Donated. :)

OCArmory
02-03-2009, 8:07 PM
Donated what we could. Hope this helps.
Mike

tombinghamthegreat
02-03-2009, 9:08 PM
If i get this job i am looking into i will send in money but i am happy to see a UOC defense fund started. I am sure within months this defense fund will wield a lot of power with the state, allowing people to OC with a reduced risk of spending lots on attorney fees.

JeffM
02-03-2009, 9:26 PM
I am sure within months this defense fund will wield a lot of power with the state, allowing people to OC with a reduced risk of spending lots on attorney fees.

I just hope people aren't counting on it.

Theseus is VERY lucky that CGF is helping like this.

Liberty1
02-03-2009, 9:43 PM
A big thank you to all who have given! This is a great cause.

UOC is at your own risk and legal bill. CGF is just the conduit for us to raise money and direct it to Bruce Colodny, Esq. through a trustable and secure clearing house. Funds not used get donated to CGF's general fund.

CGF is not backing this case except perhaps with moral support and co-ordination. Also to be clear I don't speak for CGF or CGN.

Everyone here does what they can to further our Rights. For those who can't assume some risks just now, being able to support those who do is a perfect example of one of our strengths!

This case dealing with the dreaded "1000' school zone" will, like all failed prosecutions (a la Matt Corwin), have an effect and help make the exercise of our California infringed Rights easier for all (if only to teach DAs not to waste their time on us)!

Once we get incorporation other and new considerations can be evaluated and acted upon by those in the know. :thumbsup:


From 1/3/09:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=142379
All,

I wanted to update everyone on Theseus' status after he received the letter in this now closed thread.

First of all Theseus asked me to post this update as he has decided to maintain radio silence until his case has moved forward.

As The Calguns Foundation had said before, we are currently not able to defend UOC cases monetarily beyond the case we already have undertaken. However, we have actively worked to get Theseus representation familiar with the issue and particularly with school zone prosecutions (one of The Right People.) It appears Theseus will be charged with a misdemeanor violation of 626.9(b). Theseus is paying for his defense personally and may have asked some individuals close to him to assist. I want to make clear that from what the Foundation, myself, and counsel know so far, Theseus has a winnable case but does face an assistant DA known for her displeasure with firearms. All parties will know more after the 1/16 or when counsel gets a copy of the police report or information.

The Calguns Foundation will keep a close eye on this case and is making sure that Theseus and his counsel have access to as much information and assistance as we can provide. Also know that Theseus is lurking and listening on at least this forum.

As I've said in other posts, please don't UOC at this time if you don't have $5000.00 that you can afford to lose in a retainer to defend yourself if charged - even bogusly. If you do UOC please make sure you're aware of where schools are within 1000'. Also, audio recording of your interactions are of value.

After Nordyke is final, UOC cases may make sense for The Calguns Foundation to take and we will revisit the issue, but for now I can relate that the board's policy is to not defend additional UOC prosecutions. To reiterate what I said above though - we will be doing anything else we can to assist Theseus and his counsel in this matter.

-Gene
__________________
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Chairman, The Calguns Foundation
DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners.
Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of The Calguns Foundation

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Santa Cruz Armory
02-03-2009, 9:44 PM
Donated what I could for now, thanks for taking up the fight.

pullnshoot25
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
25 bucks for now.

Ravenslair
02-03-2009, 11:21 PM
Donation made. Will try to donate more later.

nick
02-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Done.

yellowfin
02-03-2009, 11:37 PM
Will there be a counter offensive fund in addition to or as a subset of the defense one? One to pursue malicious prosecution charges and damages against those who did this to Theseus and others in his shoes. We're just going to be having more and more of these cases until it starts stinging the other side to where they stop wanting to try this.

Liberty1
02-04-2009, 10:05 AM
The real "counter fund" is the main CGF fund. There will be civil cases started after Nordyke gives us some tools to use.

Liberty1
02-05-2009, 8:08 AM
Next court date is Feb. 10th.

Santa Cruz Armory
02-06-2009, 5:46 PM
Next court date is Feb. 10th.

What is this court date for? Nordyke?

pullnshoot25
02-06-2009, 6:27 PM
What is this court date for? Nordyke?

Theseus.

hawk1
02-06-2009, 7:01 PM
I thought I read a post that the Foundation was not going to fund any UOC and suggested that it shouldn't be done until "word" was given? :confused:

Who got busted?

DDT
02-07-2009, 2:24 AM
Theseus.

hoffmang
02-07-2009, 9:00 AM
I thought I read a post that the Foundation was not going to fund any UOC and suggested that it shouldn't be done until "word" was given? :confused:

Who got busted?

First, this is to support Theseus.

CGF is facilitating earmarked donations to Theseus' defense. Money raised that isn't marked for Theseus' case goes to the general fund and not Theseus' defense. Money earmarked for Theseus goes to his defense and if anything is left over after he has paid and the donations are added on top, that overage will return to the CGF general fund.

This just makes accepting donations much easier for his counsel and adds the benefit of likley tax deductibality for those donors.

-Gene

SimpleCountryActuary
02-07-2009, 8:40 PM
I'm mailing $100 on Monday.

We must stand together or, most assuredly, hang separately. Someone named Ben said something like it in 1776.

sszeto
02-07-2009, 8:59 PM
Not much, but PPed $20 yesterday.

Dark&Good
02-08-2009, 12:18 AM
Added some more to it ;)

Richy
02-08-2009, 12:20 AM
this is very interesting. thanks for posting

BTLSmark
02-09-2009, 2:21 AM
Donation sent :thumbsup:

swhatb
02-09-2009, 6:31 PM
how do we donate via paypal?

Dark&Good
02-09-2009, 7:28 PM
how do we donate via paypal?

Guys, can somebody answer that question?

Theseus
02-09-2009, 7:51 PM
Guys, can somebody answer that question?

See below: (From original post)

:patriot: There are those who talk and those who do. CALGUNNERS DO! And one of our own needs your help. :patriot:


The Calguns Foundation has started a Legal Defense fund where you can donate to this cause. (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)




PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)



(note: I do not represent the CGF, but I am a supporter!)

wintermute
02-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Donated.

Liberty1
02-12-2009, 1:12 PM
Bump! :thumbsup: Thank you to everyone for all the support!!!!!







:patriot: There are those who talk and those who do. CALGUNNERS DO! And one of our own needs your help. :patriot:


The Calguns Foundation has started a Legal Defense fund where you can donate to this cause. (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)


Theseus has been unloaded open carrying (http://californiaopencarry.org/) for the better part of a year in East LA County, an area known for violent gang crimes and assaults against peaceful law abiding (but unarmed) citizens. He has carried in compliance with ALL state laws to be able to defend his young wife and daughter as every free American has a Right to do.


He has also shown and proven that it can be done responsibly and that the public doesn't react with panic and terror at the mere sight of a peacefully holstered sidearm.


Theseus has been charged with but did not violate the School Zone gun prohibition. He has always been very careful to stay within the law (a Calguns specialty :thumbsup:) When he was contacted by police he was not arrested as his possession was legal.


It was not until the police went back 3 DAYS LATER WITH A MEASURING DEVICE did the officers realize that it was even within 1000' of a school. THE POLICE DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS IN A "SCHOOL ZONE" at the time Theseus was contacted! A report was sent to the DA's Office and they filed charges (no mention was made that Theseus was on private property).


He was clearly on Private Property, which is also clearly exempted from the school zone law:


626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone...

(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
property...


Theseus is well represented by Bruce Colodny, Esq. (http://www.gunlaw.com/), one of So Cals finest 2nd Amendment defense attorneys. I'm told that Bruce has every confindence that Theseus will be shown to have been legal in his self defense firearm possession.


Please join me and many other Calgunners in supporting Theseus, a law abiding American, Father and Husband, against this politically motivated charge and send a message that the SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS means what it says and that we will
STAND BY OUR OWN!


Please give whatever you can afford. None of us are safe in the face of these unconstitutional laws and politically motivated charges. This could easily some day be you. Will you not now stand with him? Together we are stronger!



Please donate today. All monies not used will be placed into the Calguns Foundation Fund
to be used to further the fight for our Basic Human Self Defense Rights. (http://www.a-human-right.com/)

:79:


PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)



(note: I do not represent the CGF, but I am a supporter!)

Dark&Good
02-17-2009, 6:53 PM
Any news?

Liberty1
02-17-2009, 8:29 PM
The case was delayed 'till March 10th.

But thank you for the bump! Funds are still needed. Please give if you support open carry. And in this case no actual laws were broken. The school zone is being misapplied.

If you've already given please give again if you can. And a big thank you to everyone who has supported Theseus (even just moral support means a lot!).


:79:

Dark&Good
02-17-2009, 9:13 PM
Ok, and you "closest-to-the-fire" guys please keep us updated ;)

Theseus
02-17-2009, 9:31 PM
Just make sure to refrain from trying to put out the fire by urinating on it. . . I know it is tempting.

:rofl2:

Liberty1
03-08-2009, 10:09 PM
:patriot: There are those who talk and those who do. CALGUNNERS DO! And one of our own needs your help. :patriot:


The Calguns Foundation has started a Legal Defense fund where you can donate to this cause. (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)


Theseus has been unloaded open carrying (http://californiaopencarry.org/) for the better part of a year in East LA County, an area known for violent gang crimes and assaults against peaceful law abiding (but unarmed) citizens. He has carried in compliance with ALL state laws to be able to defend his young wife and daughter as every free American has a Right to do.


He has also shown and proven that it can be done responsibly and that the public doesn't react with panic and terror at the mere sight of a peacefully holstered sidearm.


Theseus has been charged with but did not violate the School Zone gun prohibition. He has always been very careful to stay within the law (a Calguns specialty :thumbsup:) When he was contacted by police he was not arrested as his possession was legal.


It was not until the police went back 3 DAYS LATER WITH A MEASURING DEVICE did the officers realize that it was even within 1000' of a school. THE POLICE DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS IN A "SCHOOL ZONE" at the time Theseus was contacted! A report was sent to the DA's Office and they filed charges (no mention was made that Theseus was on private property).


He was clearly on Private Property, which is also clearly exempted from the school zone law:





Theseus is well represented by Bruce Colodny, Esq. (http://www.gunlaw.com/), one of So Cals finest 2nd Amendment defense attorneys. I'm told that Bruce has every confindence that Theseus will be shown to have been legal in his self defense firearm possession.


Please join me and many other Calgunners in supporting Theseus, a law abiding American, Father and Husband, against this politically motivated charge and send a message that the SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS means what it says and that we will
STAND BY OUR OWN!


Please give whatever you can afford. None of us are safe in the face of these unconstitutional laws and politically motivated charges. This could easily some day be you. Will you not now stand with him? Together we are stronger!



Please donate today. All monies not used will be placed into the Calguns Foundation Fund
to be used to further the fight for our Basic Human Self Defense Rights. (http://www.a-human-right.com/)

:79:


PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)



(note: I do not represent the CGF, but I am a supporter!)

bump! thanks to all who have given their $$$ and support!!!

Dark&Good
03-08-2009, 10:26 PM
There :) did it again.

bornInSD
03-08-2009, 11:38 PM
20 dollars for now...but when i get paid more coming.

Liberty1
03-10-2009, 2:12 AM
Bump! :thumbsup: Thank you to everyone for all the support!!!!!







:patriot: There are those who talk and those who do. CALGUNNERS DO! And one of our own needs your help. :patriot:


The Calguns Foundation has started a Legal Defense fund where you can donate to this cause. (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)


Theseus has been unloaded open carrying (http://californiaopencarry.org/) for the better part of a year in East LA County, an area known for violent gang crimes and assaults against peaceful law abiding (but unarmed) citizens. He has carried in compliance with ALL state laws to be able to defend his young wife and daughter as every free American has a Right to do.


He has also shown and proven that it can be done responsibly and that the public doesn't react with panic and terror at the mere sight of a peacefully holstered sidearm.


Theseus has been charged with but did not violate the School Zone gun prohibition. He has always been very careful to stay within the law (a Calguns specialty :thumbsup:) When he was contacted by police he was not arrested as his possession was legal.


It was not until the police went back 3 DAYS LATER WITH A MEASURING DEVICE did the officers realize that it was even within 1000' of a school. THE POLICE DID NOT EVEN KNOW IT WAS IN A "SCHOOL ZONE" at the time Theseus was contacted! A report was sent to the DA's Office and they filed charges (no mention was made that Theseus was on private property).


He was clearly on Private Property, which is also clearly exempted from the school zone law:





Theseus is well represented by Bruce Colodny, Esq. (http://www.gunlaw.com/), one of So Cals finest 2nd Amendment defense attorneys. I'm told that Bruce has every confindence that Theseus will be shown to have been legal in his self defense firearm possession.


Please join me and many other Calgunners in supporting Theseus, a law abiding American, Father and Husband, against this politically motivated charge and send a message that the SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS means what it says and that we will
STAND BY OUR OWN!


Please give whatever you can afford. None of us are safe in the face of these unconstitutional laws and politically motivated charges. This could easily some day be you. Will you not now stand with him? Together we are stronger!



Please donate today. All monies not used will be placed into the Calguns Foundation Fund
to be used to further the fight for our Basic Human Self Defense Rights. (http://www.a-human-right.com/)

:79:


PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case)



(note: I do not represent the CGF, but I am a supporter!)

Liberty1
04-21-2009, 12:47 AM
BTT!!! Yea Nordyke!!! :thumbsup:

galekowitz
04-21-2009, 8:18 AM
+20

Liberty1
04-29-2009, 11:08 AM
bump!

Your help is still needed! Thank you in advance!

700338LM
04-29-2009, 6:55 PM
+20

Liberty1
06-09-2009, 11:42 PM
btt...

Thank you to all who have given. This fight continues and is I believe touching issues beyond just the school zone law. If you haven't given or can give again your support is still needed. Thank you in advance for your support of the 2nd A. and a brother in need!!

you can donate through the Calguns Foundation link http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/36-current-legal-cases/67-donate-to-theseus-open-carry-case

AaronHorrocks
06-10-2009, 8:58 AM
I would like to help, since I support the cause, but I simply have too much debt right now. :(

Liberty1
06-10-2009, 7:33 PM
btt

MrClamperSir
06-10-2009, 11:17 PM
What's up with the merchant page? I tried to donate and it said:
Return to MerchantPayments By PayPal
This recipient is currently unable to receive money.

If you can fix this I would like to donate.

Thanks

yellowfin
06-11-2009, 6:39 AM
Has it struck anyone other than myself as strange that we use Paypal when our chairman runs a far superior online payment company?

Liberty1
06-11-2009, 10:29 AM
What's up with the merchant page? I tried to donate and it said:
Return to MerchantPayments By PayPal
This recipient is currently unable to receive money.

If you can fix this I would like to donate.

Thanks

Thanks, PM sent to CGF.

There is also this option:
You may also send a check via mail or your bank's online banking service to:

The Calguns Foundation
3200 Bridge Parkway Suite 202C
Redwood City CA 94065
650-275-1015

Please indicate in the memo line which case the check is intended for, and include your email address and/or Calguns ID.


And thank you very much!!!