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.454
02-03-2009, 8:01 AM
Anti-Gun Deception On The Senate Floor (http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4365)

Friday, January 30, 2009


As we reported last week, legislation to require a federal license to possess any detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle or shotgun, or any handgun, has been introduced in Congress. Bills to re-impose the federal "assault weapon" and "large" magazine ban, or to impose a much broader ban, have been introduced in Congress since 2003, and will likely be introduced in the current Congress soon.

Already, the deliberate deceptions we heard from anti-gunners previously are resurfacing. Anti-gun Sen. Carl Levin, (D-Mich.), said Thursday on the floor of the Senate that "assault weapons" are "capable of firing up to 600 rounds per minute" and that they are "once again pervading our streets and neighborhoods."

Did we mention that our opponents are deliberately deceptive?

Many fully-automatic firearms can fire 10 rounds in a second, which theoretically would work out to 600 rounds per minute, but they cannot be reloaded fast enough to achieve anything near that rate in reality. But we are not talking about fully-automatic firearmsówe're talking about semi-automatics, and the difference between them need not be explained here.

"Pervading our streets?" Anti-gun lawmakers swore up and down that once the "assault weapon" ban expired, the murder rate would go through the roof. Well, the ban expired in 2004 and since then, the murder rate has gone down to a 43-year low.

The anti-gunners think they can revive this bogus issue, and maybe they can; they will no doubt try. But Congress required a study of the 1994 ban, and the study concluded, "the banned weapons and magazines were never used in more than a small fraction of gun murders." Violent crime was going down before the ban, and it has continued to go down after the ban. If the issue is looked at objectively, it should be over, done with, water under the bridge. The ban should never have been imposed in the first place, let alone be imposed again or ever expanded.

And certainly guns should not be banned on the basis of nonsense like Sen. Levin's speech, and other deliberate deception perpetuated by gun ban groups.

Deliberate deception such as:

* A folding stock makes a rifle concealable, as if it were a pocket knife. But anyone who knows anything about gun laws knows that federal law requires a rifle to be 26 inches long, regardless of its stock, and a 26-inch-long rifle is not concealable.

* A pistol grip is designed to allow a rifle to be fired "from the hip." But the 90 million pistols owned by the American people all have pistol grips, and they aren't designed to be fired "from the hip." Besides that, the fact that a rifle has a shoulder stock and sights mounted on the barrel proves that it is designed to be fired from the shoulder.

* Magazines designed to hold more than 10 rounds are not useful for self-defense. If they really believe that, let them propose to prohibit the military and police from having pistol magazines that hold 12, 15, and 17 rounds.

* These guns are "high-powered." Next time an anti-gunner calls a gun "high-powered," ask him to name one gun that is low-powered. They even call .22 rimfires "high-powered," when they want to brand a .22 as a so-called "assault weapon."

NRA members who own AR-15s and other so-called "assault weapons," you are not alone. There are nearly two million AR-15s in our country, the same number of M1s, the same number of M1 Carbines, and many more Mini-14s, semi-automatic shotguns, pump-action shotguns, and all the other guns the anti-gunner want to call "assault weapon." Countless millions of American own handguns that use magazines of over 10 rounds.
Our challenge is to coalesce these Americans into a political force that will make anti-gun lawmakers' heads swim. When they repeat gun ban groups' deliberate deceptions, we must tell the truth; not some of the time, but all of the time! But we cannot wait for them to act, and then only respond in defense. We must be out front. When we carry our message, we must do so confident in the knowledge that we are doing so in a manner that respects our fellow citizens, and their right to disagree--a way of doing business that is alien to our opponents--and that our arguments are based in logic and fact, not deceit.

DDT
02-03-2009, 2:07 PM
Thanks .454

By including the source etc. within the text of your post it made this very informative post accessible and useful.

CA_AR-15_925
02-03-2009, 8:22 PM
i knew this was going to :censored: happen

dwtt
02-03-2009, 8:59 PM
i knew this was going to :censored: happen

Many of us knew this before the elections. Some didn't, though, and drank the Kool Aid so now we all suffer.

KWA-S
02-04-2009, 3:18 AM
I wonder how big of an impact it would have been if everyone that voted for the Messiah who also owned a detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle or shotgun, or any handgun voted GOP.

The Kool Aid was phenomenal. My mother, who has never shown any interest in politics before, called me election day and told me how she registered and voted for ohmygod Obama. She kept repeating that it was SO exciting that Obama was going to be president. I asked her why she voted for him. Her response: "B-but its Obama. You didn't vote for him?" She was about to begin crying at this point.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/IrishManX/facepalm/facepalm.jpg

gcvt
02-04-2009, 3:51 AM
She was about to begin crying at this point.

There's going to be a lot of that going on over the next four years.

Hans Gruber
02-04-2009, 6:09 AM
Good on the NRA. Gotta keep the heat on.

Nodda Duma
02-04-2009, 6:56 AM
I asked my mom why she voted for Obama and she said it's because he's good looking. There you have it...

-Jason

.454
02-04-2009, 6:58 AM
Many of us knew this before the elections. Some didn't, though, and drank the Kool Aid so now we all suffer.

These days, most of them are notable absences on this board.

10TH AMENDMENT
02-04-2009, 7:57 AM
.454...

You are a good man and an asset to this community. I regularly read your posts. Please keep it up! :thumbsup:

Centurion_D
02-04-2009, 9:38 AM
Many of us knew this before the elections. Some didn't, though, and drank the Kool Aid so now we all suffer.

Some didn't know? Some didn't know my freakin @ss!!! They knew. I would consider all those who voted for nobama traitors to the our cause!!!

OrovilleTim
02-04-2009, 9:53 AM
I would consider all those who voted for nobama traitors to the our cause!!!

Ditto!

DDT
02-04-2009, 11:05 AM
Some didn't know? Some didn't know my freakin @ss!!! They knew. I would consider all those who voted for nobama traitors to the our cause!!!

While I don't necessarily agree that they are traitors to our cause, you can't blame someone for having multiple priorities. However; anyone who claims to not have known what Obama wanted to strip the constitutional rights of Americans is disingenuous or stupid. He had a very long career supporting gun control and trying to strip Americans of their civil rights spelled out in the second amendment.

Army
02-04-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm waiting for all the NRA naysayers here, to spout how the NRA is raising fear about gun bans so they can make more money that goes nowhere.

NRA Endowment member, proud of, and willing to fight for my right.

Gator Monroe
02-04-2009, 11:13 AM
These days, most of them are notable absences on this board.

They are here and they need to be made aware of the fact that we think they are not "True PRO 2A" POSTERS !

Gator Monroe
02-04-2009, 11:15 AM
While I don't necessarily agree that they are traitors to our cause, you can't blame someone for having multiple priorities. However; anyone who claims to not have known what Obama wanted to strip the constitutional rights of Americans is disingenuous or stupid. He had a very long career supporting gun control and trying to strip Americans of their civil rights spelled out in the second amendment.

More Gay Rights, choice, socialistic & secular progressive agenda, all trump their little Firearms hobby and they will vote accordingly ../

DDT
02-04-2009, 11:44 AM
More Gay Rights, choice, socialistic & secular progressive agenda, all trump their little Firearms hobby and they will vote accordingly ../

Quite possibly. Doesn't mean they are anti-2A just that they have other interests. Would you be willing to vote for a pro-2A candidate if they were anti-4A or 1A?

Gator Monroe
02-04-2009, 1:14 PM
Quite possibly. Doesn't mean they are anti-2A just that they have other interests. Would you be willing to vote for a pro-2A candidate if they were anti-4A or 1A?

Yes !

MudCamper
02-04-2009, 1:24 PM
Quite possibly. Doesn't mean they are anti-2A just that they have other interests. Would you be willing to vote for a pro-2A candidate if they were anti-4A or 1A?

Yes !

No. This is where I differ from many here. I believe in all of our rights. I weigh the consequences, priorities, and probabilities, and then cast my vote. I do not think nor vote dogmatically.

Gator Monroe
02-04-2009, 1:30 PM
No. This is where I differ from many here. I believe in all of our rights. I weigh the consequences, priorities, and probabilities, and then cast my vote. I do not think nor vote dogmatically.

I would give up my ability to own two cycle boats or motorbikes , collect stamps, ever watch an NFL game again (Or any other sport), venture into wilderness (Without a pass) , listen to El Rushbo, or Savage or the Great one... because if 2A still exists then we could Vote from the rooftops to have the other Rights re-instated !

MudCamper
02-04-2009, 1:33 PM
I would give up my ability to own two cycle boats or motorbikes , collect stamps, ever watch an NFL game again (Or any other sport), venture into wilderness (Without a pass) , listen to El Rushbo, or Savage or the Great one... because if 2A still exists then we could Vote from the rooftops to have the other Rights re-instated !

While that may make a good sound-bite to some, it is not practical nor realistic.

Gator Monroe
02-04-2009, 1:43 PM
While that may make a good sound-bite to some, it is not practical nor realistic.

Voting for an ardant Dem Anti- in your area for State Assembly or Senate is not practical or realistic also (Time after Time)

MudCamper
02-04-2009, 1:52 PM
Voting for an ardant Dem Anti- in your area for State Assembly or Senate is not practical or realistic also (Time after Time)

I never have.

ttboy
02-04-2009, 6:24 PM
If your not a member of the NRA shame on you.