View Full Version : 2A Anti Eric Holder confirmed as U.S. Attorney General

EBR Works
02-02-2009, 5:16 PM
Truly a sad day for our 2A rights!


WASHINGTON - The Senate voted to confirm Eric Holder as attorney general Monday evening, making President Barack Obama's choice the nation's first African-American to hold the job.

Though debate quickly turned partisan when his chief supporter denounced Republicans who sought a pledge not to prosecute intelligence agents who participated in harsh interrogations, the Senate still confirmed Holder as expected.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, singled out Texas Republican John Cornyn as one who wanted to "turn a blind eye to possible lawbreaking before investigating whether it occurred."

A small group of Republicans sought such a pledge from Holder, but he declined to give one. Leahy, D-Vt., has been infuriated for several weeks by such demands.

"No one should be seeking to trade a vote for such a pledge," Leahy said.

Despite the partisan beginning, the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, said Holder made mistakes but was well-qualified for the job and should be confirmed.

The Senate voted 75-21 for Holder's confirmation.

Holder's confirmation will trigger reviews and changes to the most controversial Bush administration policies, from interrogation tactics to terrorism trials and warrantless surveillance.

Those are some of the known issues. Even Holder doesn't know what he'll find when he looks at secret memos in the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel.

Holder will have to rehabilitate a department that under President George W. Bush was criticized for injecting politics in hiring career officials and firings of U.S. attorneys.

He'll have to decide whether to prosecute Justice Department officials who may have violated the law in some of these policies and tactics.

Holder also could reverse Bush's orders to former aides not to testify before Congress on their private advise discussions on the U.S. attorney firings.

To the satisfaction of Democrats and consternation of some Republicans, Holder told his confirmation hearing, "Waterboarding is torture." The statement about an interrogation technique that simulates drowning was an important signal of a policy change from Bush's view that the tactic was legal and not torture.

President Barack Obama issued an executive order to close the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year.

He also created a special task force, co-chaired by the attorney general and the secretary of defense, to review detainee policy going forward.

The group will consider policy options for apprehension, detention, trial, transfer or release of detainees and report to the president within 180 days.

One of Holder's most intriguing missions will be to review the Office of Legal Counsel, whose lawyers justified the use of controversial interrogation tactics and viewed themselves as attorneys for the White House.

The Justice Department's inspector general, in a report on the removal of nine U.S. attorneys, said the legal counsel's office in effect thumbed its nose at department internal investigators and refused to provide a crucial document. The office stated the White House counsel's office directed it not to provide the information.

Holder also said he would review why career prosecutors in Washington decided not to prosecute the former head of the department's Civil Rights Division.

An inspector general's report last month found that Bradley Schlozman, the former head of the division, misled lawmakers about whether he politicized hiring decisions.

The three former top aides to Bush Karl Rove, Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten have declined to testify about the U.S. attorney firings on orders from Bush while he still was in office. Rove and Miers at the time were former aides, raising the question of whether White House aides no longer in government could be compelled to testify.

If Obama reverses Bush's policy, it would create a new legal issue: whether a former president's order against testifying would still be valid.

Holder also will likely review civil liberties issues including warrantless surveillance.

After a lengthy and heated debate that pitted privacy and civil liberties concerns against the desire to prevent terrorist attacks, Congress last year eased the rules under which the government could wiretap American phone and computer lines to listen for terrorists and spies.

Holder said he would reexamine a ruling by former Attorney General Michael Mukasey that immigrants facing deportation do not have a right to government-provided lawyers.

Holder said he understands the desire to expedite immigration court proceedings, but the Constitution also requires that proceedings be fair.

Gator Monroe
02-02-2009, 5:37 PM
Stedman ? (Oprahs significant other)

EBR Works
02-02-2009, 8:27 PM
WTF, is anyone paying attention?


Eric Holder Reported to Be Obama's Choice for US Attorney General.

As an early supporter of Mr. Obama's campaign, Holder played a key role in the selection of Senator Joe Biden for vice president.

He served as U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia.

Holder served as deputy attorney general under former President Bill Clinton.

As Deputy Attorney General, Eric Holder was a strong supporter of restrictive gun control.

He advocated federal licensing of handgun owners, a three day waiting period on handgun sales, rationing handgun sales to no more than one per month, banning possession of handguns and so-called "assault weapons" (cosmetically incorrect guns) by anyone under age of 21.

Supported a gun show restriction bill that would have given the federal government the power to shut down all gun shows, national gun registration, and mandatory prison sentences for trivial offenses (e.g., giving your son an heirloom handgun for Christmas, if he were two weeks shy of his 21st birthday).

He also promoted the factoid that "Every day that goes by, about 12, 13 more children in this country die from gun violence"--a statistic is true only if one counts 18-year-old gangsters who shoot each other as "children."(Sources: Holder testimony before House Judiciary Committee, Subcommitee on Crime, May 27,1999; Holder Weekly Briefing, May 20, 2000. One of the bills that Holder endorsed is detailed in my 1999 Issue Paper "Unfair and Unconstitutional.")

After 9/11, he penned a Washington Post op-ed, "Keeping Guns Away From Terrorists" arguing that a new law should give "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale."

He also stated that prospective gun buyers should be checked against the secret "watch lists" compiled by various government entities. (In an Issue Paper on the watch list proposal, I quote a FBI spokesman stating that there is no cause to deny gun ownership to someone simply because she is on the FBI list.)

Earlier this year, Eric Holder--along with Janet Reno and several other former officials from the Clinton Department of Justice--co-signed an amicus brief in District of Columbia v. Heller. The brief was filed in support of DC's ban on all handguns, and ban on the use of any firearm for self-defense in the home.

After the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the D.C. handgun ban and self-defense ban were unconstitutional in 2007, Holder complained that the decision "opens the door to more people having more access to guns and putting guns on the streets."

02-02-2009, 8:31 PM
ope, few are. Certainly none of our elected representatives. He performed an act of contrition and Specter et al completely folded for this authoritarian Democrat filth.

02-02-2009, 8:53 PM
WTF, is anyone paying attention?

I'm sure everyone is paying attention and this sucks indeed. Being a bit of a foregone conclusion, no one will likely be surprised by the confirmation though.

02-02-2009, 9:16 PM
It was regrettably inevitable! While I know for certain AG Holder will not be our friend I am pretty sure he is an intelligent man who understands that at least for now, it would be a stupid political move to make an all out assualt on the 2nd amendment. I will add however, I don't expect the ATFE to get any more hospitable to gun owners/dealers anytime soon.

02-02-2009, 9:24 PM
WTF, is anyone paying attention?

Yes. Today is a sad day for the 2A because ... did something happen? Holder's views are well known but he appears to acknowledge that reality has changed post-Heller:

After the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the D.C. handgun ban and self-defense ban were unconstitutional in 2007, Holder complained that the decision "opens the door to more people having more access to guns and putting guns on the streets."

02-02-2009, 9:29 PM
Don't worry, boo will be in here soon to wax eloquently about how BHO's pick is so frickin awesome, and forward thinking, and we should be ashamed of ourselves for doubting the messiah's choice.


Besides, he's already got his and it's only a hobby anyway. Did I miss anything? :(