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eric90503
01-30-2009, 12:42 PM
Hi, I've only had experience with USGI, Thermold and Orlite mags. Are the Magpul P-mags that much better?

Can anyone with experience with both like to comment. USGI are my favorite, Thermolds never had a problem (but then again I don't have a machine gun),
Orlites.. meehh... I use it on the bench to save my other mags. They swell to make full mag insertions difficult.

Those p-mags sure look "cool". If I take the mag springs out of my orlites and replace that part with a p-mag rebuild, does that count as a re-build legally?

Thanks.

badicedog
01-30-2009, 12:48 PM
Hellllllllllllllll Yeah! just check this vid and you will become a beleiver my brother....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BA-EdEAHVA

domokun
01-30-2009, 12:51 PM
As for your rebuild kit question:

http://hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ-large-cap-magazines-2005-11-10.pdf

djleisure
01-30-2009, 1:00 PM
This is a good video as well. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAUFHEJFf-E&NR=1)

fallenknight308
01-30-2009, 1:02 PM
Hellllllllllllllll Yeah! just check this vid and you will become a beleiver my brother....lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BA-EdEAHVA

Yesssss, all that truck did was break-in the surface (LOL):thumbsup:

spdrcr
01-30-2009, 1:06 PM
But don't read this:


My year with Pmags.
In the fall of 2007, my agency purchased 50 black pmags from Brownells for our 2007-2008 patrol rifle program. All of them arrived in short order and I found they were all post-recall manufacture. The rifle program was to involve about 400 officers, each shooting just fewer than 500 rounds during the two day class. Course of fire was simple, adhering to the lowest common shooter theory. No full auto fire, no string of fire longer that 7 rounds rapid fire (NSR). Classes consisted of 12-16 shooters, in two relays. Each shooter was given three pmags at the start of the course. Pretty straight forward stuff, load/unload/reload/stoppages etc, we did nothing that would surprise you.

By the end of the first class, 50% of the pmags were broken. All of them had split where the feed lips meet to form a V on the spine. I called Magpul and they over nighted me 50 new pmags and a prepaid return label for all 50 of the ones I had, broken or not. They asked me a bunch of questions about the who, what, when, where and how the mags had been used. This was very cool and I was pleased with the way it was handled. I was back on track and had one course of 26 in the books, 25 to go.

During the next few courses, I was constantly checking mags, and was finding a few more that were split each day. After several weeks, maybe 3-4 courses, about 50% of the pmags were broken. The split was very easy to see if the mag had more that 3-4 rounds in it, if not, just pushing my thumbs against the feed lips would cause it to show. I called Magpul back and the same overnight exchange was made and a few more questions answered about how they were being used. They told me that there had been some changes made to material flowed into the mould, the new mags should be good to go.

After about another months worth of classes, I had a pile of split mags set aside. Not 50% like before, more like 25% out of the third batch of 50 (batch #2 straight from Magpul). This time they replaced just the damaged mags, they no longer wanted the undamaged mags back. This process was repeated one more time at the end of the training cycle. After two month off from PR training, we started again with the 2008-2209 in-service cycle, which was a one day refresher course. After the first two month of training, we again had to replace about 20-25% of the pmags (just the mag bodies this time). The 08-09 cycle is still in process at this time, with the Pmags.

The split was easy to spot, either a mag split right away or not at all. I started numbering the mags and tracking them when magpul sent me the first batch overnight. We found that a split mag could still be used, up to the point that it started to double feed rounds. Once the split started, the mags would not drop free, loaded or not. Its good to know that the split is easy to spot, and they tend to split right away if they are going to.

I am not here to condemn a $15.00 product, it is what it is. I am just sharing some info that lead me to the decision, once again, that there is no magic bullet, or magazine.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4692/magyl2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8725/mag1ee4.jpg

eric90503
01-30-2009, 1:13 PM
Gat dang... I just read the above post. These must be the 07 batch.

Just wondered hypothecially... If you had a USGI head to head with a Pmag and did c-mag dumps FA until failure. Which one would come out of the ring?

Not trying to bash Magpuls stuff, just trying to learn from others experiences.
I really like Magpuls Industrial design concepts.

djleisure
01-30-2009, 1:14 PM
You're right, I wish I didn't read that. He only paid $15 for each mag! :)

Josh3239
01-30-2009, 1:52 PM
I say, go ahead and experiment. You should also try the Lancer L5 Transculent Mag and the Cammenga Easy Mag, very cool stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lancersmallarms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aplb8FodwY&feature=related

eric90503
01-30-2009, 2:47 PM
I say, go ahead and experiment. You should also try the Lancer L5 Transculent Mag and the Cammenga Easy Mag, very cool stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Lancersmallarms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aplb8FodwY&feature=related

Love that timecode running on the bottom right while loading. Very cool tests, wow, turn my back for a minute and everything is new and improved.

brando
01-30-2009, 3:20 PM
The PMags are good as are many other magazines. They all have strengths and weaknesses and most of the durability issues aren't going to be issues for the average shooter for quite some time. However, if you risk your life day in and day out with an AR and you are shooting with a reasonable amount of frequency, you should budget to replace your mags regularly. Every six months or so is a good time frame to swap a basic load of mags out for fresh ones and get piece of mind. It's just the price of admission to the AR world - gotta replace mags regularly.

a1fabweld
01-30-2009, 7:35 PM
I think the C-Products stainless mags are awesome. Something about stainless steel over plastic makes me feel better. Pmags sure do look cool though.