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ENTHUSIAST
01-27-2009, 4:50 AM
Specifically on a...

Colt 6921 Heavy Bbl 14.5" 1/7 Twist

What about a Noveske KX3 "Pig"?

How good is a Smith Flash Hider?

What is the BEST of the BEST that deserves to be welded to a Colt M4 SOCOM upper? :D

THX

Max-the-Silent
01-27-2009, 5:13 AM
Where I've had a hoice, I always use the Vortex:

http://www.smithenterprise.com/products06.html

bombadillo
01-27-2009, 6:29 AM
Tromix! http://www.tromix.com/Welcome1.htm Nice aggressive and quite functional.

hybridatsun350
01-27-2009, 6:38 AM
The Smith Vortex is a nice piece of equipment. That's what I would recommend.

RECCE556
01-27-2009, 7:06 AM
I don't recommend the Vortex or any other open bottom flash suppressor because when you shoot prone in a dusty area, it will kick up a lot of dust and that will affect target visibility (and it gives you a nice dust signature if you're worried about such things)

Personally, I would installed a KAC "chip" flash suppressor (which is SOCOM issue)...just use a crush washer and a few of the included indexing washers and you can get your 14.5" just past the 16" minimum.

Also, the YHM Phantom 5C1 is a good piece of gear (can't say that for a lot of YHM products but the flash suppressor work well).

If you want aggressive, the Troy Medieval Flash Suppressor is also good.

The FSC556 is also very good and it's considered a brake should you decide to go with a MMG/detachable mag setup with that upper.

The Noveske PIG is just that, a PIG of a weight at the end of your barrel. Reserve that for a short barrel (7" barrel for example)...

Jicko
01-27-2009, 7:16 AM
Specifically on a...

Colt 6921 Heavy Bbl 14.5" 1/7 Twist

What about a Noveske KX3 "Pig"?

How good is a Smith Flash Hider?

What is the BEST of the BEST that deserves to be welded to a Colt M4 SOCOM upper? :D

THX

I think the best FH is the Vortex.

BEST of the BEST that deserves to be welded to a colt M4 SOCOM upper is..... KAC's inconel muzzle brake.... it is *also* made of unobtainium....

badicedog
01-27-2009, 7:31 AM
Primary Weapons Systems FSC 556, excellent flash suppressor and comp.

aplinker
01-27-2009, 8:56 AM
In hindsight, I wish I'd gone with a brake on my 14.5" build, since it's permanent.

I keep looking at it wishing I could put it on my MMG lower.

YMMV

baldoHHO
01-27-2009, 8:57 AM
Primary Weapons Systems FSC 556, excellent flash suppressor and comp.

+1 I have similar barrel but midweight- see ADDAX's Bulldog.

Ak47owner
01-27-2009, 8:58 AM
go for the yhm phantom muzzle break i have it on my colt m4 upper with a 14.5" barrel and it now has the legal length with this muzzle break on it. plus it was only 25 dollars.http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb99/dimmuborgir89/S4020513.jpg

USMC Tanker
01-27-2009, 9:08 AM
I went with the YMH Phantom 5C2 because I had one on hand...

Though I like the idea of the 5C1 because it's closed at the bottom. The 5C2 kicks up quite a bit of dust when firing in the prone.

Sleepnosis
01-27-2009, 9:10 AM
When its going to be pinned and welded, I've chosen a dedicated suppressor mount/flash hider combo.

AAC's Blackout is the best FH I've seen.

Blackout m4-1000 or m4-2000 (http://politesocietyinc.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=aacmountblackoutr&cat=6&page=1&search=&since=&status= )

Dont do the KX3. While the argument could be made on a 13.7" barrel, you gain little except more weight at the end of your barrel on a 14.5"

Jicko
01-27-2009, 9:10 AM
go for the yhm phantom muzzle break i have it on my colt m4 upper with a 14.5" barrel and it now has the legal length with this muzzle break on it. plus it was only 25 dollars.http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb99/dimmuborgir89/S4020513.jpg

Whatever you shown in your picture is a FLASH HIDER!

oogabooga
01-27-2009, 11:07 AM
I went with the YMH Phantom 5C2 because I had one on hand...

Though I like the idea of the 5C1 because it's closed at the bottom. The 5C2 kicks up quite a bit of dust when firing in the prone.

I believe both the 5C1 and 5C2 both have a closed off bottom. Maybe you're referring to the regular YHM Phantom Flash hider?
Just curious, while on the topic. The 5C1 and 5C2 are advertised as slight compensators, too. While I realize this is probably just marketing throwing the words out loosely, do they actually prevent some muzzle flip? Like even though a majority of the gasses go out the front, some still vent upward?

Has anyone tried one of the Vltor VC-1's? They look pretty interesting, and haven't heard much info on them in regards to actual flash hiding (such as those comparison pics of the muzzle flashes for the vortex, a2, 5c2, etc.):
http://www.vltor.com/images/barrel_comp/VC-1b-lgWeb.jpg

emc002
01-27-2009, 11:46 AM
No love for Miculek?

ENTHUSIAST
01-27-2009, 12:24 PM
Still :confused:

Jicko
01-27-2009, 12:28 PM
I think the best FH is the Vortex.

BEST of the BEST that deserves to be welded to a colt M4 SOCOM upper is..... KAC's inconel muzzle brake.... it is *also* made of unobtainium....

Many of the real M4 SOCOM uses that KAC mb. (featured in Magpul Dynamic's DVD, on Chris' rifle)

What are you still :confused: about?

aplinker
01-27-2009, 12:34 PM
Many of the real M4 SOCOM uses that KAC mb. (featured in Magpul Dynamic's DVD, on Chris' rifle)

What are you still :confused: about?

They use it because it's a platform for their suppressor, not because it's a good brake.

Jicko
01-27-2009, 12:36 PM
They use it because it's a platform for their suppressor, not because it's a good brake.

But, that make his M4 SOCOM looks authentic. :rolleyes:


PS. Actually the KAC PDW Compensator is a VERY EFFECTIVE compensator....

ENTHUSIAST
01-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Many of the real M4 SOCOM uses that KAC mb. (featured in Magpul Dynamic's DVD, on Chris' rifle)

What are you still :confused: about?

I thought that there would be a definite Favorite... but it seems there are a few different choices...

Jicko Thanks for steering me to KAC do they ship to CA (I am NOT LE) and if not who is the "go to" guy for GENUINE KAC?

THANKS
-enthusiast

EDIT: But, that make his M4 SOCOM looks authentic. :rolleyes : :D

Fixed it for ya!

bombadillo
01-27-2009, 12:53 PM
I have the YHM and its called a comp/brake but works as a flash hider according to most sites. I think its a straight up flash hider and wouldn't put it on a featureless by all means.

J_Rock
01-27-2009, 12:55 PM
They use it because it's a platform for their suppressor, not because it's a good brake.

Yep, its not much of a comp. It pretty much acts like a A2 with that cut out portion to counteract the muzzle torque, not that I notice it at all. I had Randall install mine for out of state fun. If you are not going to use it with a can theres really no point in wasting $90.

aplinker
01-27-2009, 1:01 PM
To give my opinion version... if I were to choose now, I'd do a Troy Medieval brake. Allows featureless builds, looks good and gives the length needed.

http://www.kingarms.com/productimages/ka-Fh-27.JPG

OutlawDon
01-27-2009, 1:06 PM
FSC556

bombadillo
01-27-2009, 2:35 PM
To give my opinion version... if I were to choose now, I'd do a Troy Medieval brake. Allows featureless builds, looks good and gives the length needed.

http://www.kingarms.com/productimages/ka-Fh-27.JPG


I thought this was considered a flash hider?

aplinker
01-27-2009, 2:42 PM
I thought this was considered a flash hider?

No, that's the brake.

This is the suppressor:
http://www.kingarms.com/productimages/ka-Fh-25.JPG

bombadillo
01-27-2009, 2:47 PM
Oh, wow I didn't realize that they had both available.

My buddy has the RRA Tactical muzzle brake and from about 2 feet away he was shooting prone out of the back of his truck and I was standing next to him and it felt like somebody threw a tennis ball at the boys so I can vouch that it works very well unfortunately. Still my vote is the tromix shark brake as its just bad looking and works well.

BONECUTTER
01-27-2009, 2:52 PM
I went with a Saber Defence extended A2. I wanted to keep the M4 look.

My other 14.5 has a Smith Vortex.

ENTHUSIAST
01-27-2009, 7:14 PM
I went with a Saber Defence extended A2. I wanted to keep the M4 look.

My other 14.5 has a Smith Vortex.

BINGO!!!
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/ikeepitmoving/a2long.jpg?t=1233116221
That is EXACTLY what I was looking for!!! (Even though I didnt even know it existed.) :hurray:

Thanks BONECUTTER!

Fate
01-27-2009, 7:26 PM
I've got a MSTN QC Brake on my 16" bbl carbine that's a candidate to get cut down to 14.5" . I really like the muzzle rise cancelling properties of this brake, but it's still very loud. Previously ran a KKF "fake flash hider" which was much, much quieter.

This is a featureless carbine.

I need some more range time to figure out if the MSTN is "the one for me" before I permanently add it to my carbine.

trinydex
01-29-2009, 9:12 AM
To give my opinion version... if I were to choose now, I'd do a Troy Medieval brake. Allows featureless builds, looks good and gives the length needed.

http://www.kingarms.com/productimages/ka-Fh-27.JPG

does this have a loud brake signature? or is that the point... that it doesn't?