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popndrop
01-23-2009, 7:00 PM
This is a question about your actual BOB or Kit, that you have already packed, in your house/car, for Natural Disasters/SHTF situations. Please keep the thread on topic to the best of your ability -don't tell me what you'd pack inside of your M1 Abrams Tank, or about your 400 acre, land-mine-protected farm deep in the forests of Northern Saskatoon - just what you have in your bag/kit. I'm trying to get good ideas to pack mine.

Ok, I'll start -

Stage 1 BOB (for 3 days or so)

1- Affordable Backpack from Wallyworld (I think it was $25) But it's got a lot of features and a good amount of capacity. (Yeah I have much better ones, but this one wont be used often, so I figure why waste an expensive one to sit on a shelf).
2- Tomahawk (SOG Fusion) - About $35 or something - light, compact, useful for multiple applications, ie - splitting wood, breaking windows, doors, digging, hacking zombies, etc.
3- Two Space Bags - for me and wifey
4- 6 MRE's
5- hat, windbreaker, hooded sweatshirt, extra socks and undies
6- hand warmers (chemical) 8
7- g22 w/3 hi-cap mags, double mag holder, and holster (g22 has crimson trace laser as well as light)(everything is loaded)
8- s&w j-frame snubbie - .38cal hideaway/backup in iwb holster gun and 50 extra +p rounds
9- First Aid Kit with all kinds of stuff (too long to list, maybe that's another thread)
10- Water Filtration System (ordered)
11- I used a small tackle box type clear plastic covered box, with separators in it to pack the following - matches, lighter, swiss army knife, fishing supplies, hooks, weights, salmon eggs, power bait, fire starter, extra advil, cough drops, multi-tool, batteries and flashlights (2)
12- 4 AR mags loaded with 6.8 ammo and a 3 mag pouch/molle attachment
13- TP - 1 roll in Ziplock bag
14- Hydration Bladders x2
15- Fixed blade knife - Browning 4.5" blade
16- Long Gun -AR - LMT MRP 6.8 with NF scope 2.5x10 (I can shoot it well to 600 yards) (depending on the scenario, I may or may not be inclined to take this scary, high profile rifle. I may decide to take something else, my 12ga FN SLP would be my second choice - which is why I keep an extra sub-kit with multiple types of ammo for that gun as well - birdshot, buckshot and slugs).
All of this weighs around 35 pounds (not including rifle), so if I have to hoof it, i should be ok.
My Kit -
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents054.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents056.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents057.jpg

My Wife's and My B.O.B's on top of our Stages 2-3 Kit is seen in the Plastic containers and Cooler, Body Armor and Additional Kit in Box- All of the stuff packaged together and ready to go
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents074-1.jpg


Wife's Bag's Contents (not including un-mentionables of course, since they can't be mentioned)
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents071.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/mikeaniff/Bug%20Out%20Bag%20Contents/BOBContents069.jpg

Stage 2 - Additional Kit for a Scarier or Man-Made SHTF situation (short term)
In addition to the above BOB and stored next to it, I have a duffle with my BA vests (2), psgt helmets, boots and more loaded mags and ammo sitting next to it, and a large bottle of water (1/2 water cooler size).


Stage 3 - For Long Term Disaster survival (2 weeks or so)
Both of the above items and then the following
1- Clear Plastic Storage box with folding top- Can be used to carry and store all the items in it as well as hold water if need be
2- more mre's (12)
3- large 2 pound bag of rice
4- canned foods - tuna, fruit, chili, etc - to supplement MREs
5- all weather blankets (2)
6- gas masks (2)
7- plate carriers (2)
8- High quality thick paper napkins (to use in place of towel or TP) 100pack
9- small 2 person tent
10- small camp stove and propane tanks (3)
11- another (full sized)water cooler sized water bottle
12- ammo can with a mix of ammo - for use or trade - pistol, shotgun & rifle
13- Dog food for my mutts
14- (not in box but next to it) Sleeping bags (2)


Thats what i've got so far - what am I missing? What do you have in yours? I've read on different boards what people have, and it seems to vary significantly from state to state depending on the terrain and weather. I live in So Cal - so i'd like to hear from folks here in our area (you Nor Cal guys can chime in as well, I live here now, but I'm from the Bay originally).

PND

Two Shots
01-23-2009, 7:36 PM
All that looks good, you might want to add some nylon twine or Paracord and a small tarp to your BOB they comes in handy.

xnv733x
01-23-2009, 8:25 PM
poncho , weather radio, lantern or light, map or gps, cleaning supplies for weapons

dondo
01-23-2009, 9:03 PM
Throw in some playing cards or dice or a small backgammon game. There will be a lot of sitting around.

Ironchef
01-23-2009, 9:22 PM
Scanner and/or Ham radio with plenty of batteries and some experience listening/using them would be a good addition to your kit. You may be out roughing it all the while the zombies might have been eradicated and order restored...remember the end of "The Mist?"

My family is large and has varied special needs so I have alot to pack. Assuming we're hoofin' it somewhere (that's always the case, despite reality suggesting to sit tight and shelter in place or migrate to a high school gym or church parking lot tent city), I have the following:

1) Large frame hiking pack with 3 thin wool blankets, some mylar blankets, robust first aid bag inside, hatchet, my zombie chopper in kydex sheath (still making it), 100' black paracord, 100' of nylon rope, small 6x4 tarp, toilet paper, rain jacket for me, freeze dried and mre food for our whole family for maybe a week (even some cans of spam!), a bunch of heavy duty plastic garbage bags of varied sizes (very important to control waste and transport things), Katadyn water filtration unit, 2 scanners, dual band ham radio (lots of batteries for all devices), 2 walkie talkies and their batteries, 1 pair of work gloves, 1 pair of warm gloves..and some other stuff like matches, flint/magnesium fire starter thingy, glove/shoe warmers, varied 6-in-1 survival whistles, lots of good, solid LED based lights ranging from 250 lumens to 6 lumens and batteries for them to last months. I carry this pack.

2) Army Duffle with 6 man tent, some more blankets and clothes and 2 gallons worth of water packets. This is carried by my wife.

3) Medium backpack with 1 gallon worth of water packets, some clothes, bags, MREs and Freeze Dried food. This is carried by my 8 year old daughter.

An additional backpack can be carried by our 5 year old with his toys or other things. 7 Month old baby in baby bjorn carried by mommy or me. Loaded M&P9 and 3 mags concealed in belly band. If it's necessary, a loaded mosin nagant 91/30 and a tac vest with lots of 7.62x54r ammo in it and the bayonet fixed just for intimidation factor. 8 year old can carry the 22 rifle. Be nice to have a couple more handguns to conceal/carry...but just the one for us so far.


Another thing that appears overlooked above...containers for water and or eating..maybe some sporks too! So put two small water bottles on each pack you carry..one to drink from, one to cut in half to use for food or scooping...and easy to clean/wash.

Macadelic4
01-23-2009, 9:23 PM
Throw in some playing cards or dice or a small backgammon game. There will be a lot of sitting around.

Playing cards will provide limitless entertainment. So much so that you may even be able to trade them for something more immediately useful down the road.

My Level 2/3 bag has (in addition to approximately the above) a bottle of fuel stabilizer, which will be invaluable if the need to store gasoline arises during travel.

11Z50
01-23-2009, 9:39 PM
A gun you can shoot, some ammo and your brain. That's all you need.

popndrop
01-24-2009, 12:34 AM
I'm glad I posted this because already there are some good items that I needed to add - thanks guys
Cards, GPS, Fuel Stabilizer, and something to eat out of...somehow I missed that one. They'll all be in the bag tomorrow.
Anything else?

Macadelic4
01-24-2009, 4:06 AM
Anything else?

I mentioned this in another SHTF thread, but road flares are cheap (about $2 at OSH) and have a ton of uses.

Also, you might want to carefully consider what you use to start fire. I ditched the matches/lighter scene for "modern flint and steel" made of magnesium. I've been using the same $8 block (Big 5) for years, and I've made lots of friends who had wet matches or empty lighters.

oldschool88
01-24-2009, 7:17 AM
A Leatherman or similar muiti-tool, beats a swiss army knife any day.

Ironchef
01-24-2009, 8:32 AM
For a real hot torch, something that has a stand, and can be locked in an on position and heat/burn anything. It's wind proof and holds lots of butane. And for only $2.78 shipped...just get a dozen of them and put them all over the place in your home or fill your BOBs with them. Also, when ordering a dozen of them, if you get one bad one, it's no big deal to toss it!
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1320

And of course you can't go wrong when buying $10 lights that can be insanely brighter than the crap at hardware/home improvement store shelves claiming to be tough and bright. Where else can you get a $12 five mode drop-in giving you as much as 200 lumens or 10 lumens that'll last you many many hours continually..just pick the cheapest "p6" style light and drop in a $12 lamp for excellent reliable and variable lighting.
http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.999

Requiem
01-24-2009, 6:25 PM
My idea of survival is hiding in the mountains/hills from humans... weird maybe, but anyways, here's my list of stuff that I want to buy/want to have in the kit:

backpack
survival handbook
emergency/medical supplies
water purification source
rope
compass
topographical maps
meal supplements/energy bars
cards
sterno?
matches/lighter/flint+steel
sleeping bag
Five Seven with extra magazines and ammunition (to be bought at later date)
knife
My M1A along with extra magazines and ammunition (already owned)

tankerman
01-24-2009, 8:37 PM
You might want some ammo for your rifle, which is pretty worthless otherwise.

badreligion
01-24-2009, 10:55 PM
One BOB, what is your wife gonna carry?

Add
-Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too. GPS units die
-Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp.
-Cash may still have some value.
-Zippo Lighter Fluid
-Baby Wipes
-Canteen with canteen cup. I know it sounds old school but you let others drink from your canteen not your camelbacks. Canteen cups can be used to shave, drink from, eat from and cook with.
-Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.
-Chem lights
-Folding shovel
-Salt and Pepper
-Sunblock
-Sunglasses
-Fuel Cans
-Field survival manuals, better yet go buy a few now, then make your own with the info you need.
-Binos

Take your wife to the range and teach her to shoot. Remember she promised to protect you to.

popndrop
01-24-2009, 11:29 PM
One BOB, what is your wife gonna carry?

Add
-Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too. GPS units die
-Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp.
-Cash may still have some value.
-Zippo Lighter Fluid
-Baby Wipes
-Canteen with canteen cup. I know it sounds old school but you let others drink from your canteen not your camelbacks. Canteen cups can be used to shave, drink from, eat from and cook with.
-Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.
-Chem lights
-Folding shovel
-Salt and Pepper
-Sunblock
-Sunglasses
-Fuel Cans
-Field survival manuals, better yet go buy a few now, then make your own with the info you need.
-Binos

Take your wife to the range and teach her to shoot. Remember she promised to protect you to.


She goes with me about 40% of the time - last weekend she shot 18 on skeet (I only got 15)(but i was shooting a.28ga). She knows how to run the shotguns and the AR, can shoot a pistol nearly as good as I can. We run little drills from time to time to make sure she stays on her game :63:
...But you're right - she needs to have her own BOB too - I'll have to work on that next.

You had a few items that I'll have to add - thanks for the good input
I can't believe that I missed BABY WIPES - they're like gold!!! I need to get those in there ASAP.

hoffman259
01-25-2009, 8:45 AM
:useless:

glockster
01-25-2009, 10:41 AM
1. Become proficient with the gear you carry.
2. Family pics in the wallet for long-term bugout
3. If you have kids, something that will help them pass the time.

and most importantly

4. Have a plan and review it with your family

Otherwise, you're on the right track. :)

glockster
01-25-2009, 2:16 PM
Surveyor's tape is also something light and compact that I would recommend. It serves a couple of purposes not necessarily related to bugging out.

You can utilize it to hang a small piece from a branch to mark you're trail. It makes the return trip easier if you're traveling off the beaten path. Pack it back out with you.

If you're lost, and you decide to keep moving instead of staying put, hang a small piece from a branch and mark with a permanent marker: your initials, date and time. This will incredibly assist those that are searching for you.

Like I mentioned, you may not want to use it in a SHTF scenario but it is something that is small and light enough to add. I usually just wrap a length around a pencil.

Edit: Speaking of pencils - a notepad would also be a good idea.

Chukar hunter
01-25-2009, 3:36 PM
Another thing that might be worth taking is some cash in small denominations. Widespread power outages will make ATM cards worthless. Being able to make some change during a trade may help you out.

Macadelic4
01-25-2009, 3:43 PM
:useless:

Here's a picture of the bug-out gear I would carry. While I'm much too lazy to unpack it and take a picture, suffice it to say that everything I need to survive very comfortably for at least three days is in here. Also note the padlock on the "extra ammo" compartment of the L1 BOB...keeps the teammates honest ;)

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/Macadelic4/IMG_0638.jpg

Some special items I also carry:
-A sewing kit
-extra velcro in strips
-extra webbing in strips

EDIT: This thread is now officially a BOB gear-porn thread.

itsokraig
01-25-2009, 8:06 PM
One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.

popndrop
01-25-2009, 8:32 PM
One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.

can you just go buy CIPRO over the counter, or do I have a get a 'script for it?

mvpatriot
01-25-2009, 8:34 PM
You need a ShamWOW:D

https://www.shamwow.com/ver4/index.asp

"You know the Germans always make good stuff" HAHAHAHA:thumbsup:

simply awesome reply

popndrop
01-25-2009, 10:25 PM
I actually bought the Shamwows at the Costa Mesa gunshow yesterday...I couldn't help myself after that post :D - That and the fact that my wife wanted some - they were pushing those hard, I think there were 3-4 booths selling them - I had no idea the gun crowd was in such desperate need of immediate absorption.

odysseus
01-25-2009, 10:45 PM
can you just go buy CIPRO over the counter, or do I have a get a 'script for it?

You have to have a prescription like any of the antibiotics in the US.

.

Macadelic4
01-25-2009, 11:45 PM
One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.

Got some of this prescription as well. Had a stomach condition that turned out to be something totally benign, so I didn't use it.

Cipro has something like a 3 year shelf life, and its definitely something good to have. Even if you only have a few 60 mg tabs, that'll last long enough to get you to a hospital where you'll be able to get more (hopefully).

Not a doctor, not medical advice, etc. etc.

jrau13
01-26-2009, 6:59 AM
I actually bought the Shamwows at the Costa Mesa gunshow yesterday...I couldn't help myself after that post :D - That and the fact that my wife wanted some - they were pushing those hard, I think there were 3-4 booths selling them - I had no idea the gun crowd was in such desperate need of immediate absorption.

lol!

emc002
01-26-2009, 10:24 AM
Here's what's in mine, plus/minus a couple items:
$135.00 Cash
Leatherman TTi Multi-Tool
Stiletto Titanium Crowbar
Roll of Electrician's Tape
Black Sharpie
Carpenter's Pencil
3 Inch Locking Carabiner
Small Notepad
Sharpening Stone
String
Superglue
4 Razor Blades
4 Extra Large Rubber Bands
Shovel/Saw/Pick Multi-Tool
5 Assorted Needles & Thread
Lighter
Whistle
Surefire 6P Flashlight
6 CR 123 Batteries
Nylon Poncho
Wool Socks
Leather Gloves
Nalgene Water Bottles
2-50 Feet Paracord
Water Purification Tablets
Steri-Pen UV Light Water Sterilizer
Space Blanket x2
Magnesium Fire Starter
Signal Mirror
Quick Clot Bandage Pad x2
Emergency Fishing Kit
14 Assorted Cable Ties
2 Large Trash Bags
2 Large Ziploc Bags
1/2 Roll Duct Tape
Chapstick
Deck of Playing Cards
AM FM Radio
SAS Pocket Survival Book
Toilet Paper
Wipes
Lock Pick Set
Snare Wire
Safety Pins
Jolly Rancher Candy
100% Deet Bug Repelent
Water
MRE's x2
7 Penicillin pills
Knife
100 Rounds .22LR
25 Round .410
Springfield M6 Scout Rifle

Oh, and this is a Get Home Bag, not a Bug Out Bag. For me at least, getting home is the same as bugging out by all you city folk. :p

Ron-Solo
01-26-2009, 10:42 AM
Add a Boy Scout Handbook. It's a great survival & first aid guide.

fusionstar
01-26-2009, 11:32 AM
But all i have in my bag is.

Spool of 20lb braid fishing line and set of hooks.
Paracord 200 feet.
A machete I made
a Small Tarp
Some Heavy Duty Plastic Bags
NATO Waterbottle, the one bear grills has that has a metal cup with it.
Several Feet of Latex Surgical Tubing
A Camp Axe.
Flint + Striker
Couple Emergency Blankets.
Roll of duct tape.
2 Ponchos
Steel Diamond stone
Survival Knife.
General Medicine + First Aid + Signaling Stuff
Now if you still have room.
Toss in some more containers, Like Pots and Pans, Tupperware.
A hammer + A box of 3" nails.
and extra para cord if space allows.

There would be more stuff ON ME like guns and stuff

This is a BUG OUT BAG, so you know where you going. Not, i crashed into a deserted island and need to fight ravenous flying zombies.

The thing about BOB's is that the more you think about it. the more crap you tend to throw into your gear. You should duplicate you BOB and leave one inside your truck.

Macadelic4
01-26-2009, 12:19 PM
Here's what's in mine, plus/minus a couple items:
...
Steri-Pen UV Light Water Sterilizer
...

Steri-pen is so much win! Next to having a Katadyn Hiker, this is the easiest way to make friends with people who use Polar Pure or some other crappy iodine solution to clean their water. While they wait for 1-3 hours, you are already downing your entire Nalgene and pumping/Steri-penning up another.

emc002
01-26-2009, 1:49 PM
Steri-pen is so much win! Next to having a Katadyn Hiker, this is the easiest way to make friends with people who use Polar Pure or some other crappy iodine solution to clean their water. While they wait for 1-3 hours, you are already downing your entire Nalgene and pumping/Steri-penning up another.

The only problem is you can't use it in turbid (cloudy) water. I've used a couple t-shirts to remove the suspended solids in turbid water then the Steri-Pen. Works great, but battery life sucks.

Prowler
01-26-2009, 3:30 PM
Does anyone have a better idea than the US Army Survival Manual? Similar, yet smaller that has the same information?

ripcurlksm
01-26-2009, 3:56 PM
my plan involves having a stock of food and water at the house and gasoline. If SHTF I am staying put for ~3 weeks. Hope to ride it out and make an informed decision to stay or go and where. I plan on having several tanks of gas stored at home to cover the planned route when the roads clear or routes are established.

My first plan is to get to my house and stay put. I live 30 from my work. If I'm at work, I am driving as far as I can to my house and humping it to my door.

Other than that there is a lot of great items posted. A few things I really like are the ham radio & CB radio, and single LED lights with lots of batteries. One thing I think is a good item is 6' of garden hose to siphon gasoline from abandoned cars. Other thoughts would be to have a large empty water drum at home. If emergency, bring it inside and run the sink till its full.

Macadelic4
01-26-2009, 4:41 PM
The only problem is you can't use it in turbid (cloudy) water.

True that. Which is why the Katadyn is my preferred method. The pen is a fun toy, though, especially at night.

I forgot to mention that, as a supplementary tool, Sharpies are an integral part of a survival kit. In SHTF, it may become important to quickly differentiate "potable" from "NON-POTABLE!!!1!1!!" water containers. Some people likely can't or won't follow container-coloring standards, so you need to write down what's inside.

freonr22
01-26-2009, 4:59 PM
i like the lock pick set! i didnt see any cannon fuse, or tannerite, (2 different uses) my .02

CHS
01-26-2009, 5:55 PM
I'm glad I posted this because already there are some good items that I needed to add - thanks guys
Cards, GPS, Fuel Stabilizer, and something to eat out of...somehow I missed that one. They'll all be in the bag tomorrow.
Anything else?

If you don't mind, keep the original post updated with the suggestions that are in the thread.

That way, this thread can become a good solid reference to building a BoB.

jrau13
01-26-2009, 7:07 PM
^^^^Great idea!
Keep updating so we can reference when purchasing items(whick I am slowly doing now).

Macadelic4
01-26-2009, 7:42 PM
i like the lock pick set! i didnt see any cannon fuse, or tannerite, (2 different uses) my .02

The most useful type of pick in my set (which technically isn't a pick at all) is a MasterLock shim. (You can get a pack of 5 for like $10, since they break kinda easily.) You know those very popular silver, round combination locks EVERYONE uses at the gym (and sometimes even at construction sites)? If you have a shim, consider all of them your yours.

randy
01-27-2009, 2:03 AM
What about Kotex or Maxi pads or what ever they're called? Some of you said you have woment to think of. If you have an injury that is a bleeder these work for that too.

Eye drops also work for ear aches. I could be wrong on this one check it out for yourselves.

Googles and face masks. If you are without sanitation for some time the masks can keep the dried crap out of your lungs along with dust. There was plenty of dust after the Northridge quake some dirt some asbestos.

To the OP I'd go 223 not 6.8. I understand better knockdown longer range but lighter and more plentiful trumps the advantage of the 6.8. Just a thought I wouldn't go with a caliber that isn't available at any store or from somebody you might meet up with. This is a personal decision.

Aluminum foil I don't know if this is a good idea or not. It works great around the house and if you needed to signal somebody it might be helpful.

Is the BOB something you are going to put on your back and start walking or something in your car and you are planning on driving out of the area?

Chem lites are a good thing maybe not for hitting the road but not too bad for your house if there isn't any power. One light is good for up to 12 hours.

Did anybody mention maps? If you are going to hit the road they are a good thing.

popndrop
01-28-2009, 1:55 PM
What about Kotex or Maxi pads or what ever they're called? Some of you said you have woment to think of. If you have an injury that is a bleeder these work for that too.

Eye drops also work for ear aches. I could be wrong on this one check it out for yourselves.

Googles and face masks. If you are without sanitation for some time the masks can keep the dried crap out of your lungs along with dust. There was plenty of dust after the Northridge quake some dirt some asbestos.

To the OP I'd go 223 not 6.8. I understand better knockdown longer range but lighter and more plentiful trumps the advantage of the 6.8. Just a thought I wouldn't go with a caliber that isn't available at any store or from somebody you might meet up with. This is a personal decision.

Aluminum foil I don't know if this is a good idea or not. It works great around the house and if you needed to signal somebody it might be helpful.

Is the BOB something you are going to put on your back and start walking or something in your car and you are planning on driving out of the area?

Chem lites are a good thing maybe not for hitting the road but not too bad for your house if there isn't any power. One light is good for up to 12 hours.

Did anybody mention maps? If you are going to hit the road they are a good thing.

More good stuff - thanks - I have my wife working on a bag with her needed items as well.
In response to your mention of .223 vs 6.8spc - I thought this over long and hard, it wasn't just a situation where I just decided to take the only gun I have...that being said, I choose the LMT MRP because I can switch barrels on it, and switch calibers very easily. I have both .223 and 6.8 barrels and BCG's - one is in the gun, the other is ready and waiting nearby. If I needed to I could throw in the other set and it will be another couple pounds different for my pack.
I also have a Noveske N4 Lo-Pro Light set up for my wife to shoot - so I will have access to a .223 rifle at all times as well. Needless to say, I have plenty of ammo for both.

workinwifdakids
01-30-2009, 8:59 PM
Add a Boy Scout Handbook. It's a great survival & first aid guide.

+1. I also like the Boy Scout Fieldbook. As far as chemlights go, though, remember: there is no way to check if they work until you try them, and they are somewhat delicate.

Dark&Good
01-30-2009, 11:56 PM
The easiest way to carry a Boy Scout Handbook (or any other survival book) is to read and practice it, until it's knowledge. Take a course on the subject, while you can. Knowledge is higher priority, than "stuff"... and often less expensive.

popndrop
01-31-2009, 12:18 AM
ok.

mapleleafup
01-31-2009, 9:57 PM
My pack is more geared towards my kids and wife. Clothing for them, food, water, diapers, desitin. Things to keep them occupied.

Katadyn water purifier and 10 filters.
Mountain house freeze dried food enough to last 4 weeks.
Distilled water
map/compass
Knife/Axe
Flares
Chem lights
Mess kits
Matches/lighter
sharpening stone
rope/wire/harness
wet weather clothing for all family
emt and wilderness trauma kit
Bug nets
crank radio/hand held cb radio
fishing kit/game cleaning
local road maps and trails

Anything valuable is kept in the waterproof box. Money such and such.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan3.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan4.jpg

A picture of my DM !
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/lilsniper.jpg

WokMaster1
02-01-2009, 9:38 PM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan4.jpg



Tell me about this LBV, please.

Black Majik
02-02-2009, 11:35 AM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/mapleleafup/bergvulcan2.jpg





Hi Mapleleaf,

What kind of holster is this pictured?

Thanks

rg_1111@yahoo.com
02-02-2009, 6:51 PM
You might want to add a Compass. Never needs a battery.

xibunkrlilkidsx
02-02-2009, 7:35 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/GimpyVision/Picture002-3.jpg

basically all my shooting supplies we go shooting in the desert so i get everything in 1 bag to try and save space. ammo(holds nearly 2 .50cal cans), bipods, magazines,cleaning supplies, ear muffs, flashlight, spare batteries, bnad aids gauze, rubbing alcohol, butane tourch, USMC basic survival guide, spare knife(need a good fixed blade, probably going to get a K-Bar) and a MOLLE water pack.

zeus45c
02-02-2009, 8:43 PM
Do you and your wife wear glasses or contacts? Make sure you have spares.

I am not sure how bad you plan on things getting but you may want to include potassium iodide pills to help block the absorption of radiation in case of a dirty bomb scenario.

A red wagon will also help anyone out there with kids or lots of equipment. They sell these at every toy store. If the kids get tired you can throw them in there as well. If you get one big enough you could probably throw the wife in there if she is tired or injured.

Large Chalk may also be useful for signaling such as writing SOS on buildings or simply marking certain areas.

Immodium AD or other anti diarrhea product. You don't want to be indisposed due to bad water or whatever when you should be on foot.

Mouth guard for the med kit. Small and useful if you have to do anything painful to someone such as setting a broken bone.

When stocking up on anti-biotics and medications also take into account allergies. You may need to add an epi-pen to the med kit.

If you need to wear a brace for any reason especially a knee brace, include it. You may have to do a lot of walking.

Futurecollector
02-02-2009, 9:02 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/GimpyVision/Picture002-3.jpg

basically all my shooting supplies we go shooting in the desert so i get everything in 1 bag to try and save space. ammo(holds nearly 2 .50cal cans), bipods, magazines,cleaning supplies, ear muffs, flashlight, spare batteries, bnad aids gauze, rubbing alcohol, butane tourch, USMC basic survival guide, spare knife(need a good fixed blade, probably going to get a K-Bar) and a MOLLE water pack.

do you actually cary all the ammo in those .50 call cans, because there is no way in heck you would be able to be very mobile, my lil .223 cans are around 35 punds and they still arent as big as the .50 lol just my .02

tortoisethunder
02-03-2009, 1:39 AM
I posted this on GunForums.com

http://www.gunforums.com/forums/showpost.php?post/75695/

My bag: ALICE PACK

Major items: CASH, Katadyn Hiker Pro, Hand Axe, Large Roll Duct Tape, Large "Survial" Knife, medium cheap fixed blade knife, medium cheap folding knife, cheap "leatherman" type tool, Buck Knife #119, Mirror, Multi-Head Screwdriver, Heavy String, 200' polypropylene rope, Light Sticks, Fishing Rod(collapsable) & Reel, 16 oz. Hydrogen Peroxide, 16 oz Rubbing Alcohol, towels, bar soap, Nitrile Gloves, fire sticks.

Small "Fishing Tackle" Box: Hooks, weights, simple stuff

Small "Fire" box: matches, compass/whistle/magnifing glass, waterproof matches, lighters, magnesium fire starter, sharpening stone, sm utility knife, D hooks, sewing kit

Medium Box: Fishing Line Spools 30 lbs and 6 lbs test, ALL types of glues, JB Weld

Medium Box: Scissors, Sporks, tape measure, Ace Bandages, needles, tooth brushes and paste, cloret gum, sm manicure set

Small Box: small pliers, large utility knife w/ xtra blades, needle nose/cutter pliers, hemostats

Large Box "Medicine Cabinet": various bandages, gauze, medical tape, 500 ct aspirin, 200 ct tylenol, 200 ct advil, 100 ct benedryl, anti fungal cream, anti itch cream, anti bacterial cream, oral analgesic gel

500 rounds 22 cal
100 rounds 40 cal
100 rounds 223

All boxes fit into the duffle bag as separate "compartments". The "small boxes" are a little larger than a sandwich box. Medium boxes about 2x the size as the small, Large box about 3-4x's larger than the small box. All boxes are labled with the contents for quick location. The smaller boxes inside the larger duffle bag make organization much easier.

The "cheap" knives are decent knifes (non name brand) brand new and sharp. The cheap "leather man" type tool is from Wal Mart...decent not great. Ammo would be "extra" above and beyond of what would be in already existing magazines and ammo belts.

Guns supported would be a Marlin 700 (22 cal), Glock 23 and 27 (40 cal), AR15 (223).

The pack is fairly heavy 50 lbs? But most likely I would be "living" out of my truck for a while then be on foot.

THIS IS JUST A START AND WILL BE EVER CHANGING. Items that have a shelf life will be changed out. I will add and subtract items as I think of new things while I camp and hunt in the future. I need to add another good flashlight like a Sure Fire with xtra batteries, plus an ink pen and sharpy pen...plus paper. Toilet paper? These are things I thought of while typing.

I spent about $200-$250 on this with $60 of it for the Katadyn water filter and $30 for the Buck Knife, but I felt these were a premium...I did NOT count the ammo towards the price...I don't know why? All items were purchased at Wal Mart, Big 5 Sporting Goods, Harbor Freight Tools, and the 99 cent Store. Price was a consideration on all items, because the bag might never be used, so non brand name items were used and I shopped at discount stores. One could spend MUCH MORE!

This bags' purpose is if I grab this along with the guns and a couple of other small items I can leave in under 5 minutes and have just about all I need for a while.

Hope this helps, comments and additions would help all. We are only one Earthquake (I live in So Cal), Hurricane, Tornado, (who knows what else) away from relying on this bag.

Midian
02-03-2009, 6:13 AM
My .02

Add cigarettes and drugs (mostly pain killers and muscle relaxers) as currency items for trade with stupid people.

If people still think cash will be valuable if all collapses, have a a few grand in 20's and 50's with you. It's just paper and really reprsents nothing but your labour.

Keep your gold, as you may really need it to trade with people as savvy as yourself for high ticket, hard to obtain items.

xibunkrlilkidsx
02-03-2009, 11:46 AM
do you actually cary all the ammo in those .50 call cans, because there is no way in heck you would be able to be very mobile, my lil .223 cans are around 35 punds and they still arent as big as the .50 lol just my .02

they are mostly just ammo storage right now. but i keep everything i need in there and decide what to take and what not, and if i need to i can downsize to smaller cans. but i have had 2 of thoose .50 ammo cans in there with full ammo. and ya it nearly made me fall back and i know that is nothing to what someone would carry in basic.

My .02

Add cigarettes and drugs (mostly pain killers and muscle relaxers) as currency items for trade with stupid people.

If people still think cash will be valuable if all collapses, have a a few grand in 20's and 50's with you. It's just paper and really reprsents nothing but your labour.

Keep your gold, as you may really need it to trade with people as savvy as yourself for high ticket, hard to obtain items.

"The only things that are going to survive after the down fall are cockroaches, guns and gold"

Macadelic4
02-04-2009, 12:24 AM
My .02

Add cigarettes and drugs (mostly pain killers and muscle relaxers) as currency items for trade with stupid people.

This is exactly why when I turn 21 I will stock up a bit on various types of long shelf-life booze. I don't even drink, or plan to, but there are people out there who will want some spirits for entertainment, medical, or other reasons. I think clear liquors in plastic (more shatter-resistant) bottles are probably the best candidates, but I'm no expert.

After reading an article on SHTF in Argentina, I noticed the author stressed having a few "luxury" items (even hotel bottles of shampoo/moisturizer, bags of instant coffee, unopened spice bottles, etc.). This could be a really prudent, zero-cost precaution if you know where to get them.

GuyInSD
02-04-2009, 7:40 AM
Great lists, folks.

One things I've added is a bottle of No-Doz (or similar). Sometimes coffee won't be available and the added kick might be needed.

CHS
02-04-2009, 8:18 AM
One things I've added is a bottle of No-Doz (or similar). Sometimes coffee won't be available and the added kick might be needed.

I have a kilogram of pure powdered caffeine. Would that be enough? :)

mapleleafup
02-04-2009, 10:40 AM
Tell me about this LBV, please.

This is a Arktis Noorloos made in England. It holds a ****e load of kit. Around 15 small to large compartments which hold a ton of different size magazines, and one concealed hang gun holster. Plus brit issued 10 liter bergan pouches can be attached on the bag of the noorloos. It is very comfortable. Price runs around $225 i think?

mapleleafup
02-04-2009, 10:42 AM
Hi Mapleleaf,

What kind of holster is this pictured?

Thanks

I belive its called a Tornado? I got it from a buddy in the SAS. It has no markings other than a Camo UK flag and his name and serial number

tortoisethunder
02-04-2009, 11:00 AM
This is a Arktis Noorloos made in England. It holds a ****e load of kit. Around 15 small to large compartments which hold a ton of different size magazines, and one concealed hang gun holster. Plus brit issued 10 liter bergan pouches can be attached on the bag of the noorloos. It is very comfortable. Price runs around $225 i think?

So this is like our Alice or Molle gear? I am not military. Looks real nice. Are there any "bargain" versions? $225 is step but probably worth it? I was thinking my 50 lbs duffle bag might be a little heavy to walk/hike long distances?

mapleleafup
02-04-2009, 11:23 AM
This is not Molle or Alice, its all attached. There is other versions that are Molle but they run like $500-600. Oh ya you can also try Arktisusa.com They are in Ohio i belive. Some of the larger runs go on sale alot, they cant sell them all before the new models come out, and i have seem them dirt cheap on sale around $60 to 80.

I cant imagine anyone wanting to carry 50lbs of duffle lol. I would serioulsy check out the new snugpack rocket packs, they hold about 90-100 lbs of kit they are a british pack sold in the USA now. Look for snugpack bergen. I swear by british kit.

JeffM
02-04-2009, 11:40 AM
here is one for ya- get an SD card like a Nikon D40 would use then get a small USB card reader you can put the SD card in the reader and it's only about 1.5"x1.5"x .25" next scan or photograph all your vital documents onto the SD card. This way you have a back up to all your vital docs in 1.5" package with USB port, you could even put medical books and maps on there :thumbsup:You may need to use a computer sometime and reprint your birth certificate or what ever, providing EMP's didn't take it out.
If you have to deal with Obamas green shirts you may need to make a fake ID if you are a white male. Don't forget a little gold to bribe the green shirts.

+1

...at least to the SD card / making multiple hard and digital copies of important records.

If you are displaced for X amount of time, you may end up needing to get a job, .gov benefits, establish credit, etc, etc.

There are several great links to real world SHTF blogs, but I'll add another:

http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/

From someone that has been through it, the author offers great ideas on having you s*** together before a disaster.

Macadelic4
02-04-2009, 1:31 PM
I have a kilogram of pure powdered caffeine. Would that be enough? :)

...and where might I get caffeine in these quantities, good sir?

zeus45c
02-04-2009, 4:26 PM
Are you sure it's caffeine?

I have a kilogram of pure powdered caffeine. Would that be enough? :)

USMC Tanker
02-04-2009, 6:13 PM
So this is like our Alice or Molle gear? I am not military. Looks real nice. Are there any "bargain" versions? $225 is step but probably worth it? I was thinking my 50 lbs duffle bag might be a little heavy to walk/hike long distances?

Hey bro, it's hard to beat USGI ALICE gear for good kit on a budget...

The packs, load bearing rigs, pouches, etc. is all good to go. Widely available and cheap at that!

Even now with this huge market for tactical gear and endless options, a lot of no-sh*t operators still choose ALICE.

CHS
02-04-2009, 9:12 PM
...and where might I get caffeine in these quantities, good sir?

Are you sure it's caffeine?

Yes, I'm sure it's caffeine :)

I'm a beer homebrewer, and I was looking to buy some caffeine in order to make some batches of caffeinated beer. I scoured online and found small quantities to be very expensive. Eventually I found a seller on Ebay in the UK selling in 1KG quantities that was even cheaper (after being shipped from the UK!!) then buying it here in the states.

It wasn't until AFTER I got the caffeine that I started doing the math. To properly caffeinate a 5Gal batch of beer required....... 1 level table-spoon..... I've got a jar the SIZE OF MY HEAD full of the stuff. I could caffeinate EVERY batch of beer I brew for the next 5 years with the amount of caffeine I ended up with.

Oooops. :)

zeus45c
02-05-2009, 3:20 AM
Hey bro, it's hard to beat USGI ALICE gear for good kit on a budget...

+ 1 I picked up a G.I. Large Alice Pack with Frame and Straps in Excellent condition from Ebay for about 60.00 shipped. It fits a ton of gear including a secondary scout pack inside the main compartment. I then added on some 2 quart water canteens and other equipment on the external strapping.

USMC Tanker
02-05-2009, 12:25 PM
I've got a large and Medium ALICE...I'm thinking about sending the large ALICE to Tactical Tailor for some mods.

I've used ALICE, MOLLE, and ILBE main packs and I still keep coming back to my ALICE.

I've used all sorts of patrol packs, and still end up thinking that the medium ALICE is the way to go for a short op.

eric90503
02-05-2009, 9:15 PM
Finally giving into the whole SHTF "what if" bug out senario thread.

I do have a small earthquake preparedness bag (still in the works) but I was thinking, if one had to actually "bug out" wouldn't it be more sensible
to go low-pro, like a civilian day-pak instead of some sort of digital camo,molle, GI Joe looking bag?
A lot have mentioned carrying with ammo, and looking back at not so
long ago history (Katrina), many that were caught carrying had their guns
taken away; law abiding and not so law abiding types.

Just my 2 pesos...

zeus45c
02-05-2009, 11:32 PM
wouldn't it be more sensible
to go low-pro, like a civilian day-pak instead of some sort of digital camo,molle, GI Joe looking bag?

My reason for buying an Alice pack was cost effectiveness. For me to get a civilian pack of equal or better quality would have easily cost me double to triple what I actually paid for. Being in the city my primary plan is to hole up in my house. But if I have to load up the SUV to get out of dodge, I grab the bag and additional supplies ready for transport and I'm gone. If I have to end up traveling anywhere on foot then I can throw the Alice pack on. I prefer not to but the option is available.

eric90503
02-06-2009, 11:30 AM
My reason for buying an Alice pack was cost effectiveness. For me to get a civilian pack of equal or better quality would have easily cost me double to triple what I actually paid for. Being in the city my primary plan is to hole up in my house. But if I have to load up the SUV to get out of dodge, I grab the bag and additional supplies ready for transport and I'm gone. If I have to end up traveling anywhere on foot then I can throw the Alice pack on. I prefer not to but the option is available.

Very true on the cost. I really like some of the designs that mil-spec and voodoo tact. has, saw them at Crossroads in Costa Mesa. But upon closer inspection, the quality control overseas and materiel choice is rather poor. Like a dummy I gave my completed pack to my GF, (hope she realizes it was a PITA to compile) The pack that I used was this one http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/backpacks/underground-day-pack

I'd have to say I've owned quite a bit of packs in my day and the ballistic nylon is super tough on this one and the quality shines through. Gaaad! I hate buying things twice.

But your right hoofing it will suck, but I think that is what will happen if you have to leave your area. Down here the 405, 91, 10, 110, 101 is jam packed during non-disaster times, can you imagine if it wasn't. 4wd will only get you so far on the iceplants..lol..

Black Majik
02-06-2009, 11:35 AM
I belive its called a Tornado? I got it from a buddy in the SAS. It has no markings other than a Camo UK flag and his name and serial number

Thanks for the reply, it's a pretty cool holster.

zeus45c
02-06-2009, 5:33 PM
Very true on the cost. I really like some of the designs that mil-spec and voodoo tact. has, saw them at Crossroads in Costa Mesa. But upon closer inspection, the quality control overseas and materiel choice is rather poor. Like a dummy I gave my completed pack to my GF, (hope she realizes it was a PITA to compile) The pack that I used was this one http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/backpacks/underground-day-pack


That is a very nice pack. It looks like I may have to pick one up to keep in my vehicle.

You may want to make sure the girlfriend isn't cannibalizing the pack on a day to day basis for band aids and what not :D

bobbyblank
02-06-2009, 7:24 PM
A lot have mentioned carrying with ammo, and looking back at not so
long ago history (Katrina), many that were caught carrying had their guns
taken away; law abiding and not so law abiding types.

Just my 2 pesos...


Just curious, do you have any information on why? I did not hear about this. I dont see how they could have thier weapons confiscated from them. If they were just packing a rifle, non concealed, what justification would they have? Just wondering, as if i were to head for the hills in an emergency, i would bring a rifle and a side arm.
bobby

mapleleafup
02-06-2009, 8:18 PM
Thanks for the reply, it's a pretty cool holster.

You got anything to trade? I'll trade it. My buddy is sending me a DPM coloured one so i wont need this one.

mapleleafup
02-06-2009, 8:19 PM
Just curious, do you have any information on why? I did not hear about this. I dont see how they could have thier weapons confiscated from them. If they were just packing a rifle, non concealed, what justification would they have? Just wondering, as if i were to head for the hills in an emergency, i would bring a rifle and a side arm.
bobby

There is a ton of videos about them being confiscated, the NRA put out some. Shoot to kill

bobbyblank
02-06-2009, 10:05 PM
There is a ton of videos about them being confiscated, the NRA put out some. Shoot to kill

wow, just watched some videos. I had no idea. Thats total bull, WTF. Even if they did give them receipts for the weapons, how can a government strip thier people of the only defence they might have had. Makes my stomach queezy.

:(

Macadelic4
02-06-2009, 10:45 PM
wow, just watched some videos. I had no idea. Thats total bull, WTF. Even if they did give them receipts for the weapons, how can a government strip thier people of the only defence they might have had. Makes my stomach queezy.

:(


AB 1645 (http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2007/10/at_least_some_g.php) means that we are "safe" from such unconstitutional seizures by the governor during a "State of Emergency" here in CA. That isn't, however, a guarantee that the federal govn't, or anyone else for that matter, won't come sniffing for them during martial law.

TheDM
02-07-2009, 4:35 AM
Some recommendations:

Stage 2 and Stage 3 kits should have a full size axe. You don't have to be able to put them in the pack of course, it might be more of a car or carry item. But it's absolutely critical you have a full size axe. The difference between using knife a hatchet and a full size axe is the difference between a .22 a 5.56 and a 308. It also never runs out of ammo :) I have a fiskars axe with a composite handle, the lightest I could find. I also use it while camping, my camping gear is my survival gear. To know what gear sucks and doesn't, you need to use it. This will accomplish a lot of things, one you will become proficient with your gear, you will determine the best location for packing it, and you know what stuff you bought is crap and what you never use.

I would also recommend either a high power air rifle 850 fps or better with field points, or a subsonic 22 setup for taking small game quietly. I pack the Henry version of the Ar-7, the U.S. Survival as it weighs less than my silent game taking air rifle, a good old daisy 880 with a scope.

My SHTF pack is a Kelly Bigger Bend 6400. Please don't confuse this with an a assault pack, this is a walk away from the house and don't look back pack. It is designed to carry a full size axe on board, even has a place that holds the blade that is reinforced especially for it and a stretchy strap to hold the handle in place. It is heavy when fully loaded, but I have enough dry cloths and food for one full week and the tools I need to make a permanent back woods residence and defend it.

The rest of the don't look back pack, is my suburban, affectionately known as Grover.

The most important part of any BOB, is a plan, and practice.

newtothis
02-07-2009, 6:19 PM
I missed it if already mentioned but DUCK TAPE...or silicon tape.

TheDM
02-07-2009, 6:21 PM
I missed it if already mentioned but DUCK TAPE...or silicon tape.

Don't buy the camo duck tape though. I did, now I can't find it.

bobbyblank
02-07-2009, 7:02 PM
Don't buy the camo duck tape though. I did, now I can't find it.


....WOW.......:D, forgot how funny that one is! I tossed a camo bag on my sofa once and asked the girlfriend if she had seen it. She replied that it was on the sofa. I insisted i could not find it as i stand there looking right at it lol. It took her a minute to process, but when it hit, you should have seen the look on her face! :D

TheDM
02-07-2009, 7:34 PM
We have the same problem with our military right angle flashlights when we are camping, it's actually pretty amazing.

Futurecollector
02-08-2009, 2:05 PM
Just curious, do you have any information on why? I did not hear about this. I dont see how they could have thier weapons confiscated from them. If they were just packing a rifle, non concealed, what justification would they have? Just wondering, as if i were to head for the hills in an emergency, i would bring a rifle and a side arm.
bobby

WOW are you kidding me dude!!! the NRA had a big story on this, you tube it and see where the 80 year old woman got taken to the ground because she had a .22 pistol, or the "wealthy" home owners that got the AR's taken away. do some research man!

Futurecollector
02-08-2009, 2:07 PM
Don't buy the camo duck tape though. I did, now I can't find it.

Haha get an extra roll of that reflective tape stuff, that can always be used to mark off our trail if you walk out into the woods,

stilagrrl
02-09-2009, 6:01 PM
This has been a very interesting thread. Living in CA, the biggest thing we worry about is a major earthquake. Plan A would be to shelter in place and with that in mind, we do have a Honda generator (along with fuel, oil, a syphon, etc) 55 gallons of water, plenty of food (canned, retort pouches, freeze dried, etc) and various sundries, an outdoor grill and two tanks of propane on top of what's packed and ready to go.

Plan B would be to evacuate, but we would likely wait until things clear out a bit so we're not stuck on the freeway with everyone else. By taking our time, we can find the best and safest escape route. To that end, what we have packed and ready to go is fairly extensive (probably over 150 items on a spreadsheet). Here are a few things I didn't see on other lists:

Satellite Phone (Iridium) w/a 500 minute pre-paid SIM
Plus charger, external antennae, etc
Tekkeon Batteries for powering/charging Sat/cell phone, UMPC, MP3/PVP, etc
Low Discharge rechargeable batteries
Sunlinq foldable 25w, 12v Solar Charger and adapters
Battery Charger w/adapter for the Sunlinq panel
Large LED Lanterns
WWII Pilot's folding machette (better than a hatchet, lighter than an axe)
Cash ($1000 in smaller bills)
Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)
Plus charger, extra battery, etc
USB Wireless Wide Area Network Adapter
USB thumb drive w/encrypted partition
Important info such as credit card numbers, insurance info, scanned documents, etc on encrypted partition
Encryption software such as True Crypt on the unencrypted portion
Sewing kit
GPS plus charger
Sirius Satellite Radio plus charger and headphones
Personal Media Player

This, plus the plethera of other items fits into a large rolling duffel bag from REI. Freeze dried food is packed, but the rest of the food is in rotation. Depending on the type of evacuation required, we can pack up the necessary food and water into a second rolling duffle in fairly short order. Tents, sleeping bags, air mattresses/pump and first aid kit are stored together, but not necessarily packed up in duffel, mostly due to the size or storage requirements.

One thing that was mentioned, but should be repeated is a headlamp LED light. These things are great!

To keep this gun related, we would likely take a SIG P220 w/500+ rounds of JHPs, a cleaning kit, an extra guide rod and recoil spring.

eric90503
02-09-2009, 6:40 PM
This has been a very interesting thread. Living in CA, the biggest thing we worry about is a major earthquake. Plan A would be to shelter in place and with that in mind, we do have a Honda generator (along with fuel, oil, a syphon, etc) 55 gallons of water, plenty of food (canned, retort pouches, freeze dried, etc) and various sundries, an outdoor grill and two tanks of propane on top of what's packed and ready to go.

Plan B would be to evacuate, but we would likely wait until things clear out a bit so we're not stuck on the freeway with everyone else. By taking our time, we can find the best and safest escape route. To that end, what we have packed and ready to go is fairly extensive (probably over 150 items on a spreadsheet). Here are a few things I didn't see on other lists:

Satellite Phone (Iridium) w/a 500 minute pre-paid SIM
Plus charger, external antennae, etc
Tekkeon Batteries for powering/charging Sat/cell phone, UMPC, MP3/PVP, etc
Low Discharge rechargeable batteries
Sunlinq foldable 25w, 12v Solar Charger and adapters
Battery Charger w/adapter for the Sunlinq panel
Large LED Lanterns
WWII Pilot's folding machette (better than a hatchet, lighter than an axe)
Cash ($1000 in smaller bills)
Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)
Plus charger, extra battery, etc
USB Wireless Wide Area Network Adapter
USB thumb drive w/encrypted partition
Important info such as credit card numbers, insurance info, scanned documents, etc on encrypted partition
Encryption software such as True Crypt on the unencrypted portion
Sewing kit
GPS plus charger
Sirius Satellite Radio plus charger and headphones
Personal Media Player

This, plus the plethera of other items fits into a large rolling duffel bag from REI. Freeze dried food is packed, but the rest of the food is in rotation. Depending on the type of evacuation required, we can pack up the necessary food and water into a second rolling duffle in fairly short order. Tents, sleeping bags, air mattresses/pump and first aid kit are stored together, but not necessarily packed up in duffel, mostly due to the size or storage requirements.

One thing that was mentioned, but should be repeated is a headlamp LED light. These things are great!

To keep this gun related, we would likely take a SIG P220 w/500+ rounds of JHPs, a cleaning kit, an extra guide rod and recoil spring.

Naueceee..... Very nice, and expensive:eek:. I doubt there will be any Red Dawn senarios, but earthquake, YES. My pack has a lot of medical trauma gear to help others if need be, still working on building it. I've volunteered in my local CERT to better educated myself and to help my city, hopefully they will give me better insight to things that I've missed.

SAT phones are expensive!!! Wish I had one but looking into portable HAM radio licensing as an alternative. Might pick up a cheapie G22 for the bag, the Sig stays home.

BTW, anyone order from Tactical Medic before? Sites down..

tortoisethunder
02-09-2009, 7:56 PM
Keep extra propane bottles full for the BBQ! Last earthquake I ran out the night before! Now I have extra...you can BBQ anything in your front yard. By the way POOL WATER is very valuable, you can trade anyone in the neighbor for Clean Flush Water for toilets. Or you can tell your sister that the toilets don't work when the power is out! I still laugh at toilets not working in a power outage...HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!:D

I am looking into changing the duffle bag to a large back pack but don't want to spend too much more money. By the way I added FLARES to the kit.

rg_1111@yahoo.com
02-09-2009, 8:37 PM
A couple thing I would add. Vaseline cotton balls double use. There easy to start a fire with and for chapped Lips. A big rat trap. Can be used for food like Squirrels and Birds. Depending on how baited.
Also a long Sturgeon leader used as a snare. These are all light and useful.

UnboundClothing
02-10-2009, 1:56 PM
You need a ShamWOW:D

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I want to punch the TV everytime that commercial comes on

Macadelic4
02-10-2009, 4:59 PM
A couple thing I would add. Vaseline cotton balls double use. There easy to start a fire with and for chapped Lips.

Cotton balls are a bit pricey - dryer lint is a zero-cost alternative, is generally composed of the same stuff (depending on what you wear), and you can generate significant volumes of it. I've also found little difference in flammability.

Tradeoff: if saturated in Vaseline, would you still want to treat your chapped lips with it?

Californio
02-10-2009, 5:04 PM
In the old days we kept wood shavings soaked in a little kerosene to start a fire on a cold wet morning. Kept it in a metal coffee can so it did not dry out. Worked great and stored for years.

Ron-Solo
02-10-2009, 5:28 PM
Dryer lint stored in a zip lock bag works great. Cheap too! I used to teach my Cub Scouts & Boy Scouts how to start a fire using flint & steel with it. Very easy, anyone can do it.

And whoever mentioned sanitary pads was right. They are great for bleeding wounds in a first aid situation.

I like the Boy Scout Handbook because it is simple and written so anyone can use it. The previous post about learning those skills BEFORE things happen was right on the money. After teaching hundreds of Scouts over the years, I think I can do a pretty good job of it. I'm setting up stuff for my wife in case I'm off at work when the "Big One" hits. Her idea of roughing it is no room service. :D

ALOHA! :thumbsup:

TheDM
02-10-2009, 7:57 PM
Instant cheap fire starter. Steel wool and a 9v battery, also provides immediate entertainment.. and works wet.

DisgruntledReaper
02-10-2009, 8:34 PM
:13:WOW are you kidding me dude!!! the NRA had a big story on this, you tube it and see where the 80 year old woman got taken to the ground because she had a .22 pistol, or the "wealthy" home owners that got the AR's taken away. do some research man!

On the Katrina gun grab...that was Blackwater characters...far as I am concerned they have NO power to tell me shiite and they would have to try to take mine 'barrel end first' also if the SHTF happens and any of us are caught on the road or having to make our way anywhere and if the degenerates or others are 'messing around' I believe the 'BB Clause' is null and void if it means survival.

Back to topic-I have gleaned some additional info and items to consider, I thank you guys. Being LH i think differently than most but some times have to be brought back when I think of :50: and really intend :13:

Now I just need to pare my list down to about 100 lbs and more portable(foot wise)

DisgruntledReaper
02-10-2009, 8:34 PM
oops-some NG units I think did do some of it also..hell with that also..

Dark&Good
02-10-2009, 11:03 PM
Found some good ideas here... I thought to contribute by posting a bit about my current setup. Gotta tell you, though, that this is not "big disaster" oriented gear, I just put it together for extended outdoors times (camping/hiking/hunting/fishing), "just in case".
So... I have a modular system that consists of a hip pack, a day pack and a rucksack. I carry the hip pack EVERYWHERE ( whenever I leave home, of course :rolleyes: ). It contains the most basic items I might need. I take the day pack, too, when I plan to go "out there" for 1-3 days, It has items that would help me survive/thrive even if I got stranded for a few extra days. The "rucksack items" give me additional "solutions" and supplies when I "go away" for extended (4-14 days) periods. But those items don't fill the ruck; there's plenty of space for my day pack IN IT! :D
I would say that the hip pack's weight is insignificant, the rucksack (with the day pack in it) is 54 lbs. I never weighed the day pack alone, but I've never had a problem carrying it for 6-9 hours (with the occasional eating/drinking/waiting breaks). For some reason, carrying the whole setup makes me stop a bit more often ;)

Macadelic4
02-10-2009, 11:09 PM
Dryer lint stored in a zip lock bag works great. Cheap too! I used to teach my Cub Scouts & Boy Scouts how to start a fire using flint & steel with it. Very easy, anyone can do it...

I like the Boy Scout Handbook because it is simple and written so anyone can use it. The previous post about learning those skills BEFORE things happen was right on the money. After teaching hundreds of Scouts over the years, I think I can do a pretty good job of it.

This Eagle Scout agrees. I've kept my handbook with me ever since I joined and I practice the skills when I can. As one who's been in some pretty sticky situations outdoors, I can say with some confidence that "they" may be right about your practice being the most useful tool when SHTF.

Dark&Good
02-10-2009, 11:31 PM
Part One: Hip Pack
1 bandage roll
1 mini soap (hotel-style)
1 small comb
25g salt
4 coffee filters
30 baby wipes
5 band aid
5 ColdChaser (vitamin) packs
anti-toothache cream (Orajel)
Excedrin
mini alc. sanitizer
mini toothbrush+paste (airplane-style)
nail clipper
titanium cup
1 BIC lighter
1 plastic trashbag, household
1/2 candle
1 small ferrocerium rod
2 non-lubricated condoms :D for carrying/storing water
4 vaseline impreg'd cotton balls
tin foil, 1m
Fallkniven U2 knife
paracord 550 (50 ft)
small magnifying glass (fire)
Sterling Eco sharpener
1 Snickers
small fishing kit
extra set 2x "AA" lithium batt.
mini Streamlight 2AA + batt.
small roll duck tape
thread & needles
waterproof marker +1 sheet paper
12 zip-ties

Dark&Good
02-10-2009, 11:45 PM
Part Two: Day Pack

1/2 toilet paper roll
10 active charcoal tabs (diarrhea/water filtering)
1 bandage roll
10 potassium tablets (too much sweating washes K out)
50cm3 ethyl-alcohol 70-87% (disinfectant)
Aqua Mira tablets (water purif.)
mini toothbrush +paste
5 gauze pads +4 band aid
1/2 candle
1 medium ferrocerium rod
1 plastic trashbag, thick (Dept Of Transport)
15x stormproof matches +2 strikers (REI)
2x 1L Platypus water bottles, filled
DiaFold sharpener
Roselli hunting knife + sheath
Spectra / MicroLine 1200 cord (50 ft)
alu.foil, 3m (for cooking, too)
2 Mainstay 1200 + 1 Datrex 2400 (emergency food)
spork
1 long johns (in winter)
1 long sleeve wool t-shirt
1 short underwear
1 thick wool socks
1 warm hat
DryDucks (lightest raingear, top+bottom)
insul'd or work gloves (depends on season)
bandana
Polartec200 jacket
Arborwear Tech Pants
Wetterlings small hunters' axe
compass
Streamlight Sidewinder flashlight + batt.
extra set 2x "AA" lithium batt.
sunglasses
tied on: shell coat (mine is a Merrell Radar)
prepared food (cooked eggs, smoked bacon, etc)

Depending on the situation, I also carry my shotgun (or my fishing rod) + ammo (or fishing accessories), binoculars and a simple field gun cleaning kit in/with the day pack.

Dark&Good
02-10-2009, 11:52 PM
Part Three: Wear/Wield/Pocket Carry

1 light wool socks
1 long sleeve synth. t-shirt
1 short underwear
1 synth. shirt
SitkaGear 90% Pants + Arborwear belt
1 sun/rain hat ("cowboy" style oiled leather)
Wolverine hunting boots
paracord bracelet (7.5 ft cord)
Gerber Gator knife
headlamp + batt.
extra set 4x "AA" lithium batt.
UDAP bear spray & holster

Dark&Good
02-10-2009, 11:58 PM
I have a Part Four (rucksack) and Part Five ("if going by car") category, should I post those?

Dark&Good
02-11-2009, 12:16 AM
This is the day pack set up for hunting.

zeus45c
02-11-2009, 2:11 AM
Nice setup Dark&Good. I have a similar rig with the Ruck/Day Pack/Hip Pack which can all store in the Ruck.

I think people also need to look at where they are storing their go bags as well. California is always at risk of an earthquake. If your place of residence collapses or is extensively damaged say good bye to all your preparations unless you are able to dig through the rubble to get to your gear. If people store their supplies in a garage, this will be easier as it is usually on the outskirts of the property. If you don't have a garage and your bag is in your room closet which is smack dab in the center of the house, it may prove to be a problem.

SanSacto
02-11-2009, 3:10 AM
I need to get on a BOB, pronto......

Futurecollector
02-11-2009, 10:31 AM
You guys should check this site out, there is a lot of good info in the stickies as well as the forum itself.

http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=43

Dark&Good
02-12-2009, 2:39 AM
It IS a lot of info to evaluate there...

popndrop
02-12-2009, 10:08 PM
I've added -
50 foot of Rope (to my Stg 1 kit)
2 15mile radios (Stg 1 kit)
deck of cards (Stg 2 kit)
candy - (stg 2 kit)
powdered gatorade mixes for water bottles (stg 2 kit)
freeze dried food for 2 for 2 weeks (stg 2 kit)
Katydyne Hiker water Filter (stg 2 kit)
2 hikers non-stick pans (small) (stg 2 kit)
2 plastic bowls (stg 2 kit)
plastic utensils (stg 2 kit)
seasoning pack (5 in 1 shaker) (stg 2)

I love this thread, it's been very helpful with my little obsession. I think I have a complete (pretty complete anyway) Kit now...so I can sleep better, and live through anything :tank:

tortoisethunder
02-14-2009, 12:49 AM
Instant cheap fire starter. Steel wool and a 9v battery, also provides immediate entertainment.. and works wet.

TV will most likely be down. Entertainment will be at a premium. Images have come to mind...smiles. Find the guy in the group who knows "everything" and give him the steel wool and battery!:43:

By the way how many "charges/fires" will the battery start? Anybody have extra time this weekend...it is a little wet outside!?

ARsiple
02-14-2009, 11:29 PM
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bigboarstopper
02-15-2009, 10:30 PM
MOUTAIN MONEY!!!!! loads and loads of toilet paper. :D

Dark&Good
02-15-2009, 11:24 PM
MOUTAIN MONEY!!!!! loads and loads of toilet paper. :D

You can take some baby wipes instead, you'll need less, they're stronger, they disinfect (you might have a few less bathtubs around you :D ) - just make sure you get the ones with alcohol (I got WetOnes "brand"). Depending on the time spent "out there", you might eventually run out of such things anyway - hopefully you can find/create some alternatives before that happens. It's not extremely hard to make alcohol...

popndrop
02-19-2009, 12:28 AM
I need baby wipes - thats is one thing that i've forgot to add. DANG IT...another trip to Wallyworld is in my near future.

Dark&Good
02-19-2009, 8:44 PM
Going on a trip (for 3 days) tomorrow, taking my BOB... if it turns out to be inadequate, I'll post the changes afterwards (if I return).

:D

mapleleafup
02-19-2009, 9:35 PM
So i finally ordered the Blackhawk X-3 Raptor, and its freaking huge. Tons of room plus a good 3 liter bladder tons of cargo space, pockets, lots of attachment areas all in all its a good peice of kit for the price.

Dark&Good
02-19-2009, 9:51 PM
Looks impressive :)

olhunter
02-20-2009, 3:06 PM
Tried to read through but didn't see these mentioned.

1) A few pouches of QuikClot blood stopper. Absolute lifesaver.

2) Duct tape makes a great improv for sutures on large cuts.

3) Fishing Line. Yeah, everybody's using it for fishing, but I have a 200 yard roll of 40lb test I intend to use for trip-wire. String it around your encampment about waist-high (to avoid being waken up by rabbits and such), hang some rock-cans off it and you have an early warning system. I'll sleep better knowing I have at least some defensive perimeter.

Once people know you're prepared, you'll be a target. My buddy always tells me, " All I need is my AR and ammo. With that I can get all the gear I need".

tortoisethunder
02-20-2009, 8:59 PM
Going on a trip (for 3 days) tomorrow, taking my BOB... if it turns out to be inadequate, I'll post the changes afterwards (if I return).

:D

Your comments will be interesting! Please post.

hoffman259
02-21-2009, 10:13 AM
2) Duct tape makes a great improv for sutures on large cuts.



Superglue is a great tool also for cuts that would require a few stiches.

I used to carry this stuff with my when I worked on sheetmetal.

Macadelic4
02-22-2009, 6:29 PM
A few pouches of QuikClot blood stopper. Absolute lifesaver.

Cheap (possibly free) alternative to QuickClot: Sweet 'N' Low.

Aspartame does keep clots stable after they've formed. Anecdotal evidence from friends in the field supports this, as well as this paper (https://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream/2263/5156/1/Pretorius_Ultrastructural(2007).pdf) outlining how animal exposure to aspartame resulted in better clots than control.

I'm not a doctor, this isn't medical advice, do your own homework, etc.

CHS
02-22-2009, 6:38 PM
Quick clot and sweet & low is just going to weigh you down. Any kind of non-arterial (read: fatal) bleeding can be stopped with pressure.

If you have fatal/arterial bleeding, no amount of quick clot in the world is going to keep your patient alive.

You would be better served just having a decent hemostat and cotton bandage on hand.

happy_gunner
02-22-2009, 7:58 PM
didn't go through the whole thread, but I rather have a propane lantern instead of LED or battery powered one, the propane will offer you light as well as heat. That is my main source of heating my 9X12 canvas tent during my camp and hunt trips. Make sure you add Meds of different type in your bag

Dark&Good
02-22-2009, 9:07 PM
I'm back from the 3-days trip.
Good news for me that I didn't need anything from my "big pack". We slept in the back of my hunting partner's Ford Explorer (putting up a tent wasn't necessary). I used the following items (not necessarily at the same time :D ): knife, ferrocerium rod, toilet paper, waterproof boots, wool socks, Sitka 90% pants, short underwear, long sleeve synthetic t-shirt, synthetic shirt, Polartec 200 jacket, DriDucks rain gear, synth. warm hat, leather cowboy-hat, warm shooting gloves, Arborwear belt, LED headlamp, toothbrush +paste, lip balm (I had a cold the whole time, with fever), vitamin C +B Complex, Platypus water bottle +water, more water, Eberlestock X2 backpack, shotgun scabbard, shotgun, slugs, prepared food, raw food (cooked "out there" some meat, then some eggs and bacon), spork, titanium cup, Granola bars, sleeping pad, cigarettes +lighter, hand sanitizer, binoculars, MSR cooking pot, Optimus Nova multi-fuel stove +gasoline, photo camera, my pockets and lots of humor.
The campsite didn't have water (something to consider).
I've never been cold, thirsty or hungry without being able to take care of it quickly, in these 3 days. I never had a shower, just changed underwear religiously... but if it would've been one more day, I would've gotten naked and do it quickly in the rain. I never had to be rude to anybody (and survived! :D ) Oh, I used 20 dollars for camping fees and such...
I hope I didn't forget anything.

Spyder
02-22-2009, 9:14 PM
Camping fees? What, didja go to one of those concrete squares with a bathroom and a shower hooked up next to ya, a hundred yards from the edge of the lake and the marina around the corner? :D

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

Doheny
02-22-2009, 9:17 PM
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Dark&Good
02-22-2009, 9:43 PM
Spyder,
I went hunting into an area that is not a wilderness and doesn't have a wilderness around. The main reason was NOT to test my BOB. That said, it didn't have water (as I said), so no shower and such... Abiding the laws is the current situation, and when "NO LAWS" will be the situation, no camping fees will be paid.

C'mon, you surely can come up with something more constructive... or I'll have to write a report on my 3 days in the Eldorado National Forest - no camping fees paid there, if that's all that matters... but then, this thread is not about such things, mate ;)

tortoisethunder
02-22-2009, 9:53 PM
I'm back from the 3-days trip.
Good news for me that I didn't need anything from my "big pack". We slept in the back of my hunting partner's Ford Explorer (putting up a tent wasn't necessary). I used the following items (not necessarily at the same time :D ): knife, ferrocerium rod, toilet paper, waterproof boots, wool socks, Sitka 90% pants, short underwear, long sleeve synthetic t-shirt, synthetic shirt, Polartec 200 jacket, DriDucks rain gear, synth. warm hat, leather cowboy-hat, warm shooting gloves, Arborwear belt, LED headlamp, toothbrush +paste, lip balm (I had a cold the whole time, with fever), vitamin C +B Complex, Platypus water bottle +water, more water, Eberlestock X2 backpack, shotgun scabbard, shotgun, slugs, prepared food, raw food (cooked "out there" some meat, then some eggs and bacon), spork, titanium cup, Granola bars, sleeping pad, cigarettes +lighter, hand sanitizer, binoculars, MSR cooking pot, Optimus Nova multi-fuel stove +gasoline, photo camera, my pockets and lots of humor.
The campsite didn't have water (something to consider).
I've never been cold, thirsty or hungry without being able to take care of it quickly, in these 3 days. I never had a shower, just changed underwear religiously... but if it would've been one more day, I would've gotten naked and do it quickly in the rain. I never had to be rude to anybody (and survived! :D ) Oh, I used 20 dollars for camping fees and such...
I hope I didn't forget anything.

Thank you for taking the time to post your details. We all need to use and practice, even if it is your backyard for the weekend.

Dark&Good
02-23-2009, 12:48 AM
You're welcome.

Macadelic4
02-23-2009, 1:01 AM
Quick clot and sweet & low is just going to weigh you down. Any kind of non-arterial (read: fatal) bleeding can be stopped with pressure.

If you have fatal/arterial bleeding, no amount of quick clot in the world is going to keep your patient alive.

You would be better served just having a decent hemostat and cotton bandage on hand.

Yeah, I wouldn't try to stop any major artery from draining by putting on QC or Sweet&Low. Seems like "finger in the dike," so to speak.

If you have a graze that's treatable without pressure, though, it would be nice to free up your gauze and cloth for more serious injuries by using one of the two substances. Especially if you are low on medical supplies.

JeffM
02-23-2009, 1:18 AM
Quick clot and sweet & low is just going to weigh you down.

But Splenda won't.

It's much lighter than sugar. When I go backpacking I use it as a semi-acceptable sugar substitute. (Although the weight difference isn't all that much unless you're an ultra-light freak like me :D)

Dark&Good
02-23-2009, 1:43 AM
I can't think of a problem where clotting agents would be the best solution, and that's an understatement on my part. If one can't use pressure or constriction to stop a bleeding, that bleeding is inside the body, right?

Monte
02-23-2009, 3:59 AM
I have a pouch of Celox in the first aid kit. From what I've read it sounds like good stuff. And it's made from shrimp shells, so you can use it to make a nice broth, right?
http://www.celoxmedical.com/?page=tinfo
http://www.celoxmedical.com/press/01.php

A nice, graphic video of it being used on a... pig?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStuiK_ZgvU

I got mine from some seller on Amazon.

olhunter
02-23-2009, 2:51 PM
Quick clot and sweet & low is just going to weigh you down. Any kind of non-arterial (read: fatal) bleeding can be stopped with pressure.

If you have fatal/arterial bleeding, no amount of quick clot in the world is going to keep your patient alive.

You would be better served just having a decent hemostat and cotton bandage on hand.

Actually, a relatively small amount of QwikClot will stop arterial bleeding. That's what it's for. Stopping traumatic, fatal bleeding without having to clip/clamp/press until your arms fall asleep. This is not your Daddy's old clotting powder.

The packs are about the size and weight of a package of instant cocoa. Hardly cumbersome...but to each his own.

Study up here - http://www.quikclot.com/supportdata/zmedicaproduct.pdf

tacticalcity
02-23-2009, 9:09 PM
My Go Bag is a work in progress. It has to double as an overnight bag and a go bag because I travel a lot to see friends and family and trunk space is limited. Also, I don't want to have to explain why I have a go bag (my family thinks I am nuts enough). 1/2 the gear obviously will not be needed in everyday life and is emergency only. But I tried to make sure those that could double as every day garb did not look overly "tactical". I doubt we will ever have a Red Dawn moment, but if we do I like to think I will have that covered as well as be able to handle more routine emergencies. I am more worried about a major Natural Disaster than a Politcal Event or War, but better safe than sorry. The medical supplies will be useful if there is a car wreck (my own or I come across somebody else’s) and medical help is unavailable or delayed.

So far...

Maxpedition Falcon-II Backpack

In The Back Compartment - Full
1-GI Issue Water Bladder.

In The Main Compartment - Full
Contains all my clothing.
1-Rip Stop Gortex Rain Jacket from Eddie Bauer
1-Gildan Plain T-Shirt Short Sleeve
1-Gildan Plain T-Shirt Long Sleeve
1-Pair J-Crew Khaki Style Pants
1-FlexFit Khaki Polo Cap
3-Pairs Cotton Boxer Shorts
3-Pairs White Cotton Socks
1-Pair of 5.11 Tactical Falcon Sunglasses w/ Croaky (my Civilian stuff did not hold up well so I figured what the hell)
1-Khaki Style Belt
1-Nomex Flight Gloves (fell in love with them in the military and have worn them ever since)
1-Shemagh (obviously not everyday wear)
1-Round Hair Brush (packs well and had no place else to put it)

In The Middle Compartment - Full
Contains the non-airport safe stuff. Empty it, and remove the medial pouch and I am fine to travel by air. If it really hits the fan all of this will be on my body leaving more room for food, ammo, etc.
1-USAF Pilots Survival Knife (throw back to my military days)
1-Uncle Mikes Kydex Double Magazine Paddle Holster
1-Uncle Mikes Kydex Handgun Paddle Holster
1-5.11 Tactical Khaki Style Vest (all items bellow are in the pockets)
1-Leatherman Fuse Tactical Tool
1-Multi-Allen Wrench Tool (for maintaining my rifle)
1-Surefire 6P Handheld Tactical Light
1-Dakota Carabineer Style Watch/Compass/Whistle
2-Rifle Magazines (loaded)
1-Trijicon Lens Pen
1-Pair Small Bushnell Binoculars
5-Pairs Foam Ear Plugs

In The Bottom Front Compartment - Has Room
1-MRE Complete Meal Packet (assumption being this is just to get me back to civilization or I will hunt/find more food)
1-Paperback Book
1-Map of Local and Surrounding Areas
4-Pack Batteries Sealed (my Vltor Buttstock is also filled with spare batteries if I have my rifle)

In The Top Front Compartment - Has Room
1-Sealed Container of Clenzoil One Step Gun Cleaning Wipes
1-223 Boresnake
1-40S&W Boresnake

In The Side Attached Medical Compartment - Almost Full
Just enough medical and hygiene supplies for one.
1-Israeli Bandage 6" w/ 2nd pad
1-Celox 15g (small)
3-Rubber Gloves
1-Chem-Light
1-4.5" x 4.1 yards Kerlix
1-12 Pill Packet of Allergy Pills
1-12 Pill Packet pain medication
1-Box Wet Wipes Bathroom Tissue
1-Pair Scissors
1-Toothbrush
1-Toothpaste
10-Floss Picks
1-Packet of Allergy Pills
1-Packet of Pain Pills
12-Standard Band-Aids
1-Bottle Neosporin
1-Bottle Superglue
1-Travel Sewing Kit
1-Travel Manicure Set
1-Plastic Container of Matches

Top Side Attached Rolly Poly Folding Compartment - Empty
It is folded up and kept as a reserve in case I need to store something while traveling.

Bottom Side Rolly Poly Folding Compartment - Empty
It is folded up and kept as a reserve in case I need to store something while traveling.

Attached Side H2 Small Compartment Above Medical Kit
1-Photocopies of Credit Cards, Drivers license, DD214, and Proof of Medical Insurance.
1-Small Pad of Paper
1-Mechanical Pencil
1-Some other things I do not wish to list.
1-Cell Phone (for whatever good it will do me)

OTHER ITEMS ALWAYS STORED IN TRUNK

Comfortable Footwear
1-Pair 5.11 Tactical Black Combat Boots
1-Pair Adidas Running Shoes
If it hits the fan or if I am in the wilderness I wear the boots an when just traveling I will likely need the running shoes.

ITEMS I ONLY STORE IN THE TRUNK WHEN TRAVELLING

Locked Handgun Case
Handgun and empty magazines kept in trunk when traveling out of town, otherwise it is in the gun safe at home. If this were any other state I would keep it on me always...but that is not practical here in California and I don't want to leave it in the car while I am at work or overnight while I am sleeping as I do not have a garage.

NYLON RIFLE BAG
Admittedly I do not always take my rifle with me road on trips. It depends on whether or not I am planning on shooting it. But I do bring the handgun religiously on trips. Obviously, if it really hits the fan my first stop is to run home, grab the rifle, more ammo, more cash money, and fill the water reservoir.

Ammo Box
This is normally in my closet, not my car. But about 1/2 the time it comes with me when I travel because somebody (friend, cousin, etc.) wants to go shooting.
250 rounds 223
250 Rounds 40S&W

PLANNED/MISSING ITEMS
I need some sort of water purification. Probably going to have to rely on some sort of powder I poor into the water cup.
I also would like to bring Duck Tape with me. But a full roll won't exactly fit anywhere. I would have to ditch clothing and experience tells me I will need them more often than Duck Tape. Still it very useful...so I am struggling with it.

mapleleafup
02-23-2009, 10:49 PM
thats nice bag mate, for the ducktape i peeled away most of the cardboard so its really flexable now and can pretty much be packed anywhere.

Monte
02-23-2009, 11:20 PM
With regards to tape, you can do like some backpackers do and wrap several feet of it around a ballpoint pen or Sharpie, both of which could be useful.

Macadelic4
02-24-2009, 1:23 AM
I need some sort of water purification. Probably going to have to rely on some sort of powder I poor into the water cup.


My recommendation is to go with one or more of the following:
-Katadyn Hiker purifier or similar
-Polar Pure or similar (2-stage liquids are alright as well, but don't remove as much taste as they claim)

I'm much more of a purifier guy. You can instantly purify; the water usually doesn't have an iodine taste; and you can safely drink lots of the water you process without having to worry about thyroid issues. I keep a bit of iodine around, though, in case the water is REALLY sketchy. Nothing says you can't (and sometimes you probably should) use both approaches to ensure your water is very safe.

pullnshoot25
02-24-2009, 10:04 AM
Take your wife to the range and teach her to shoot. Remember she promised to protect you to.

True that!

MrTenX
02-24-2009, 10:09 AM
tacticalcity you have a nice set up. I have something similiar.
Nonetheless, my BOB has been a continuous work in progress for the past 20 years.
Adding stuff, removing stuff, upgrading stuff etc., etc. (Read my post (#18) on this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=104239&page=2
) thread)

Anyway, I would suggest ditching the cotton socks and get some REI or Smartwool merino wool hiking socks and swapping out the cotton undies for some quality synthetic boxer shorts.
Highly recommend the ExOfficio boxer briefs (http://www.rei.com/product/694431) or the Duluth Trading Performance Boxers (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/clothes-footwear/mens/underwear/boxers-briefs/67019.aspx?feature=product_1).
Also, their Performance Longtail t-shirts (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/clothes-footwear/mens/shirts/t-shirts/67001.aspx?feature=rec_prod-26000-67001&ev3=recommended_products) are good, quality t-shirts that are available in subdued colors and short or long sleeve. However, the material does start to pill after some use.

If you're on the run or in a bug out mode, carrying all your gear, you will be sweating. Cotton doesn't cut it.

Socks are stored in ziplock bags and the extra clothing is stored in one of those plastic travel bags that when rolled forces out all the air making for a small/tight compact package.

I didn't see a radio. Being able to get the latest news and weather reports is very important for your survival.
I carry a small Kaito 105 AM/FM/Shortwave radio (http://www.radiointel.com/review-kaitoka105.htm) that runs on 2 AA batteries.
Also swapped out my beloved Surefire flashlight for a Fenix L2T (https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_69_71&products_id=335). This also runs on AA batteries. Its a very bright, quality LED light with two output modes with a much longer runtime than my Surefire lights.

This is supplemented by stuff I carry in my truck-
Full size spare tire
Jack
Lug wrench
18"x1/2" steel pipe (cheater bar for lug wrench)
Jumper cables
14"x11" piece of 3/4" plywood (base for jack)
5'x4' piece of canvas
gloves
Cold Steel Spetsnaz shovel
14" Gorillla bar
Surefire D3 flashlight
Shop towels
GI poncho
GI M65 Field Jacket
Wool watch cap
Maps of area and a few other odds and ends.

Anyway, its very important to get out and use your gear periodically to see what works and what doesn't. A one or two day camping trip will be a good exercise.

Macadelic4
02-24-2009, 1:12 PM
Anyway, I would suggest ditching the cotton socks and get some REI or Smartwool merino wool hiking socks and swapping out the cotton undies for some quality synthetic boxer shorts.

Smartwool socks are the most comfortable hiking socks I've ever used! Everything else should be wool, polypropylene or some other synthetic. Smartwick stuff is also nice but kinda pricey.

Also: seam-sealed, rip-stop, breathable gore-tex or similar for outer layers/rain jacket (arguably the most important weather protection investment in the BOB). As far as I'm concerned, vinyl ponchos are only useful on your pack or gear; they really suck as far as personal rain protection goes. They breed mold, get ripped, and funnel water directly to your head if you wear a pack under them.

donba
02-25-2009, 1:21 PM
Wet & dry sand paper and a small file work as good as a stone and are lighter..

tacticalcity
02-25-2009, 9:31 PM
Anyway, I would suggest ditching the cotton socks and get some REI or Smartwool merino wool hiking socks and swapping out the cotton undies for some quality synthetic boxer shorts.

Funny you mention REI. My best friend since high school is a manager at an REI. Time to make a phone call and see what his discount is. :-)

In any case, he'll hook me up with some Coolmax shorts and socks. Thanks for that suggestion. The wicking t-shirts however seem to all be cut for skinny people. I sadly have a bit of gut and can't fit into them and look good. The bag does double as an overnight bag. The clothes get worn often. So the baggy cotton t-shirts have to stay until I can find something better.

I did swap out the Fleece Zip-Up and the packable parka for an Eddie Bauer rip-stop waterproof jacket I picked up at the outlet store earlier this year. The only reason it wasn't in the bag already is I wear it so often. But I bought another one online...so now I'm good. If I can't live without it in the winter, it needs to be in the bag.

Still sorting out the water purification and duck tape. Not in a rush.

MrTenX
02-26-2009, 8:49 AM
Funny you mention REI. My best friend since high school is a manager at an REI. Time to make a phone call and see what his discount is. :-)

REI is an excellent resource and I've been a member there since 1977. After all these years, I still visit my local REI at least once a week.:cool2:

The wicking t-shirts however seem to all be cut for skinny people. I sadly have a bit of gut and can't fit into them and look good.

The Duluth Longtail-T's, both the synthetic and cotton, are full cut for regular working people. At 6' 3", 200 lbs, they fit me perfectly and stay tucked in, and are the only ones I buy nowadays.

Also, I don't see any food in your BOB.
I like MET-Rx bars (http://www.metrx.com/shop/parent.aspx?parentID=12&catID=1) and Clif bars (http://www.rei.com/product/604787).
They are available everywhere but you gotta keep track of the expiration dates. A lot of people use PowerBars but I've found that they are hard to chew when cold.

Seesm
03-01-2009, 12:18 AM
This thread rocks have I said this yet? I love to see all this!!!!

Dark&Good
03-01-2009, 1:09 AM
We thank you :)

popndrop
03-01-2009, 1:26 AM
This thread rocks have I said this yet? I love to see all this!!!!

WORD UP!

I'm glad to see that others are into it. It's been really interesting to see what everyone has to add to on the subject. There have been things that I hadn't even considered for my kit, and I'm very glad they were brought to attention.

I'm working to completing my kit, and i'll try to take pics of everything as a group and get them up here.

I'd love to see others as well...

tacticalcity
03-01-2009, 2:34 AM
Also, I don't see any food in your BOB.
I like MET-Rx bars (http://www.metrx.com/shop/parent.aspx?parentID=12&catID=1) and Clif bars (http://www.rei.com/product/604787).
They are available everywhere but you gotta keep track of the expiration dates. A lot of people use PowerBars but I've found that they are hard to chew when cold.


I have 1 MRE in the bag and 1 MRE in the trunk. I thought I listed that? Oh well. Bag is currently 20lbs. A little heavier than I would like. But most of it is clothing, which will most likely be taken out and worn if I have to hoof it since it is more practical than trying to hike 10 miles in jeans and dress shoes...which is why it's in there. I'm not going to try and go long distances with that much weight in the bag and more weight in clothing on my body. I am too old for that. :-)

Dark&Good
03-01-2009, 4:12 AM
Lucky you ;)

My "de luxe" level is more than double as heavy. Hopefully, I'll never need more than the "day pack" level, though.

bsaleens281
03-01-2009, 5:33 PM
I dont think any one mentioned (unless I missed it) a compass. There inexpensive and anyone can learn to use them in 5 minutes. I would like to start on my BOB soon, but every time I mention anything about SHTF. My wife makes fun of me and says that nothing will ever happen. I dont want anything bad to happen, but god I would love to have the stuff ready to tell her I told you so. I know some of you guys understand me.

tortoisethunder
03-01-2009, 6:43 PM
I dont think any one mentioned (unless I missed it) a compass. There inexpensive and anyone can learn to use them in 5 minutes. I would like to start on my BOB soon, but every time I mention anything about SHTF. My wife makes fun of me and says that nothing will ever happen. I dont want anything bad to happen, but god I would love to have the stuff ready to tell her I told you so. I know some of you guys understand me.

Got one. I just picked up a used ALICE pack. No way can I carry a 40lbs duffle bag. Well about your wife...well when you need it you can NOT LET HER USE ITS CONTENTS.

Believe me I hope I never have to use it...but its there. And I will always be adding, subtracting and using when camping and hunting.

Dark&Good
03-01-2009, 6:47 PM
Post #102 has compass in it.

About the "nothing will ever happen", that's probably what many people said in New Orleans, three days before Katrina hit. And how much does she think people of San Francisco thought of earthquakes on April 15, 1906? Three days later, more than 3000 of them died here. She can continue making fun of you, and you can continue getting prepared, as far as I am concerned... It might or might not happen... but to me, there's lots of satisfaction in knowing that I'll be able to help my wife (and possibly others), if it does. My wife and I just leave each other alone about personal things that don't harm anybody (like hobbies, traditions, what we wear, etc.) - there's lots of fun in doing many other things together.

Spearo
03-01-2009, 7:01 PM
3) Fishing Line. Yeah, everybody's using it for fishing, but I have a 200 yard roll of 40lb test I intend to use for trip-wire. String it around your encampment about waist-high (to avoid being waken up by rabbits and such), hang some rock-cans off it and you have an early warning system. I'll sleep better knowing I have at least some defensive perimeter.


You do not want to use mono filament fishing line for tripwires.

Instead use Spectra fiber line. Which is also used for fishing, primarily as backing.

Spectra is a lot thinner than mono for its break strength.

40lb spectra is about equivalent to 8 or 10lb mono fishing line.

Plus it come in low viz colors like moss green, brown, white, and grey.

In addition, spectra fiber has zero stretch and is incredibly durable.
I believe our military is already using spectra or Kevlar line for tripwires.

bsaleens281
03-01-2009, 7:13 PM
Got one. I just picked up a used ALICE pack. No way can I carry a 40lbs duffle bag. Well about your wife...well when you need it you can NOT LET HER USE ITS CONTENTS.

Believe me I hope I never have to use it...but its there. And I will always be adding, subtracting and using when camping and hunting.

Sorry must have missed those posts w/ compasses. As for what you said about my wife and not letting her use the stuff LOL, classic. I really want to start one and can any one tell me where to start w/ the right type of bag and etc.

Dark&Good
03-01-2009, 7:38 PM
You should list all items you want in your pack, then erase the ones you won't really need, add more that you will, and then get them. Look at the volume and weight of all that stuff, find a pack that has no problems with either. Make sure the pack is adjustable for comfort, waterproof or has a "rainsuit", otherwise you'll need some plastic bags first, for your water-sensitive stuff (clothing, firemaking stuff, etc). The pack's material should be something that you can drag on the rocks occasionally, but watch out, too much comfort/durability/high tech can become heavy and expensive. Just keep in mind, there are no absolutes (but if you'd have to be "out there" for months or years, you could make yourself another pack from leather, or some other material)

tacticalcity
03-01-2009, 8:04 PM
I dont think any one mentioned (unless I missed it) a compass. There inexpensive and anyone can learn to use them in 5 minutes. I would like to start on my BOB soon, but every time I mention anything about SHTF. My wife makes fun of me and says that nothing will ever happen. I dont want anything bad to happen, but god I would love to have the stuff ready to tell her I told you so. I know some of you guys understand me.

I have a Dakota clip-on watch that has one built into it.

tortoisethunder
03-01-2009, 10:42 PM
Finished for now. Pics worth 1K words sometimes. See my previous post for the list, see below for pics. Originally this was in a duffle bag, much easier to carry in the ALICE pack.



http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag004.jpg

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag005.jpg

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag006.jpg

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag003.jpg

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag002.jpg

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/tortoisethunder/bobbag001.jpg

bsaleens281
03-01-2009, 11:19 PM
That looks like a great setup. :thumbsup:

Dark&Good
03-01-2009, 11:34 PM
Good job! :)

popndrop
03-02-2009, 3:09 AM
Awesome pics. Motivational for me to get mine up.

popndrop
03-04-2009, 1:45 AM
I don't think anybody mentioned any kind of bolt cutter or similar tool, but I think that maybe I'll throw a light set in with my kit - might be useful in urban environments... And can be used to cut tree limbs and the pelvic bones on large mammals when you're cleaning them. Due to the added weight they'll go in my stage 3 kit.
I also saw on a video posted by another Calgunner that a guy mentioned channel locks or some kind of large pliers - seems like something that could come in handy...
I guess at some point I'll have to determine exactly how much I will limit myself to as far as overall weight or size.

black_hawk06
03-04-2009, 9:10 AM
I PLAN ON TAKKING WHAT I NEED AS I GO, SO IM TRAVELIN LITE.......GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SURVIVAL BAG

Monte
03-04-2009, 1:12 PM
I PLAN ON TAKKING WHAT I NEED AS I GO, SO IM TRAVELIN LITE.......GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SURVIVAL BAG

And that's why most of the rest of us are armed. Good luck with "takking" anything from one of us. :rolleyes:

tortoisethunder
03-04-2009, 1:16 PM
I PLAN ON TAKKING WHAT I NEED AS I GO, SO IM TRAVELIN LITE.......GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SURVIVAL BAG

If you "TAK" anything from me or my friends or family you will be dealt with in a negative manner...sorry in advance.

383green
03-04-2009, 1:41 PM
I PLAN ON TAKKING WHAT I NEED AS I GO, SO IM TRAVELIN LITE.......GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SURVIVAL BAG

It is because of people like you that we require the right to keep and bear arms. And dictionaries.

Dark&Good
03-04-2009, 8:25 PM
:rofl:

By the way, I used to go to a forum a year ago where we discussed the same BOB issue. After 16 pages, somebody started talking about the necessity of protecting our supplies, and he said that he would shoot anybody who comes too close (in a SHTF situation). I think that TRUST would be generally low, but there would still be many people who wouldn't want to harm others unnecessarily and would be looking for a good group. I still wonder, how can we recognize, who is a threat and who's not, before it's too late.

I'm hoping for a world in which honor, courage, virtue and help value a lot. In the meantime, I'm trying to have a high awareness about the world around.

Sorry, it's a bit different subject, but it's related enough...

popndrop
03-04-2009, 9:07 PM
:rofl:

By the way, I used to go to a forum a year ago where we discussed the same BOB issue. After 16 pages, somebody started talking about the necessity of protecting our supplies, and he said that he would shoot anybody who comes too close (in a SHTF situation). I think that TRUST would be generally low, but there would still be many people who wouldn't want to harm others unnecessarily and would be looking for a good group. I still wonder, how can we recognize, who is a threat and who's not, before it's too late.

I'm hoping for a world in which honor, courage, virtue and help value a lot. In the meantime, I'm trying to have a high awareness about the world around.

Sorry, it's a bit different subject, but it's related enough...

We could form teams now:thumbsup: I get first dibs.

Dark&Good
03-04-2009, 9:18 PM
If we wanna discuss it, we need to start a new thread, I think

tortoisethunder
03-04-2009, 9:47 PM
If we wanna discuss it, we need to start a new thread, I think

I would start by picking you...but you live in San Fran...little far from me in Simi...in a SHTF situation we might be worlds apart in distant but not ideas.

If you start the threat I will look for it.

Dark&Good
03-04-2009, 9:52 PM
I started it ;-)

Still, let's keep on posting any related info to this one. I think it's a very good thread.

popndrop
03-09-2009, 11:13 PM
I added my pics to the first posting - finally - in case anyone has a voyeuristic hankering to see inside of my B.O.B.

Dark&Good
03-09-2009, 11:24 PM
I do have voyeuristic tendencies when it comes to opportunities to learn something :)

Dark&Good
03-09-2009, 11:29 PM
Wife's Bag's Contents (not including un-mentionables of course, since they can't be mentioned)

Did you really have to mention those??? :taz:

:D

Your BOB looks great - you seem to have gotten what you wanted :)

Is that a Busse Combat ASH-1 ?

popndrop
03-09-2009, 11:52 PM
Actually, Its a Busse NMSFNO, good eye.

Dark&Good
03-09-2009, 11:59 PM
Actually, Its a Busse NMSFNO, good eye.

It looked too much like my ASH-1 CG. If people ever see me carrying my Busse, that means the SHTF...

Dark&Good
03-10-2009, 1:46 AM
Hey, I ain't seen' nobody mentioning it, so I'd like to remind you of studying proper behavior in lightning storms.
How is that related to the BOB? Guess... :D

Macadelic4
03-10-2009, 2:56 AM
Hey, I ain't seen' nobody mentioning it, so I'd like to remind you of studying proper behavior in lightning storms.
How is that related to the BOB? Guess... :D

Uh...don't pack a long, carbon steel fishing rod?

Otherwise, I'm stumped.

Dark&Good
03-10-2009, 3:14 AM
Almost ;)
Any metal can facilitate the leader' formation (knife, gun, tin foil hat :D ), so if I was in the open, I'd get away from these items, before everything else.
The rest of the behavior is not BOB-related, like get inside a building/car or uniformly grown parts of the nearest bush/forest, don't stand with my feet apart, don't touch anything else but the ground with my feet, wait at least 30 minutes after the last thunder before coming in the open, etc.

Of course, it also depends on your circumstances.

tacticalcity
03-21-2009, 11:32 PM
Finally got around to taking a picture of mine? Left a noticable space for a Radio/GPS. All the pouches and the bag are made by Maxpedition.

http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr237/hit2hurt/GO_BAG.jpg

Contents...

1) USAF Pilot's Survival Knife
2) Fishing line, fishing hooks, sinkers and floaters
3) Duck Tape
4) Sewing Kit
5) Tactical first aid kit
6) 2 MREs
7) 100 oz H20 Bladder
8) Travel size shaving kit, tooth brush, toothpaste, razors, soap, etc.
9) 3 pairs underwear
10) 3 pairs socks
11) 2 t-shirts
12) Winter Scarf
13) Nomex Gloves
14) Khaki Pants
15) Ripstop Gortex Hooded All-Weather Jacket
16) Small binoculars
17) Leatherman Pocket Tool
18) Pocket Allen Wrench Set
19) Surefire 6p Tactical Light
20) Surefire Batteries and AA Batteries
21) Emergency Cell Phone Charger
22) Dakota watch with Compass, Whistle, and Watch of Course
23) Copy of Catspaw by Joan D. Vinge for boredom
24) 5.11 Tactical Flacon Sunglasses
25) Kydex Handgun and Magazine Holsters
26) Magazines for Handgun and Rifle
27) Ammo
28) Foamie Ear Plugs
29) Flexfit Khaki Hat

Hard to believe it all fits!

Also have more H20, MREs, AMMO, and a pair of very comfortable 5.11 Combat Boots at the ready.

pullnshoot25
03-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Uh...don't pack a long, carbon steel fishing rod?

Otherwise, I'm stumped.

AHAHAH!

olhunter
03-22-2009, 7:47 PM
Another item worth mentioning....

We keep around 12 cheap (K-Mart - 6 for $20) solar garden lights in our earthquake supplies. Make sure you get the white lights and not the amber. I have 2 for the BOB that strap to the outside. Lightweight and provides a light supply as long as the sun keeps shining. Not a real prob in SoCal. Or unless we need these BOB's because TEOTWAWKI comet hits Earth. Read the book "Lucifers Hammer". Will happen...just a matter of when. But the book is entertaining either way.

Wildman
03-22-2009, 7:50 PM
check out professionaloperatorskit.com they have some cool bail out bags and range bags.

paintballergb
03-22-2009, 8:04 PM
check out professionaloperatorskit.com they have some cool bail out bags and range bags.

What other websites do you guys know of to get good bags.

Dark&Good
03-22-2009, 9:17 PM
What other websites do you guys know of to get good bags.

http://www.eberlestock.com/

tacticalcity
03-22-2009, 10:59 PM
What other websites do you guys know of to get good bags.

Tacticalcity.com for Maxpedition and BlackHawk gear.

olhunter
03-23-2009, 9:41 AM
What other websites do you guys know of to get good bags.

Ebay for all your shopping needs. :thumbsup:

Mazilla
03-23-2009, 9:52 AM
Along with the usual stuff I have always kept a baggie of dry dog food in my b.o.b., I figured I could survive a good amount of time on it and it's not the best tasting thing in the world so it may help deter my appetite...for a little while anyways.

paintballergb
03-23-2009, 10:15 AM
Thanks for the websites guys.

Along with the usual stuff I have always kept a baggie of dry dog food in my b.o.b., I figured I could survive a good amount of time on it and it's not the best tasting thing in the world so it may help deter my appetite...for a little while anyways.

:confused: But the space it takes up couldn't you just pack energy bars instead?

Mazilla
03-23-2009, 10:28 AM
I have those too, but I figured if a dog can live off of dog food it's whole life it must be good enough to get me thru a couple of weeks. Like I said, the appeal to eat dog food isnt too high, so it will help with conservation.

paintballergb
03-23-2009, 10:33 AM
I have those too, but I figured if a dog can live off of dog food it's whole life it must be good enough to get me thru a couple of weeks. Like I said, the appeal to eat dog food isnt too high, so it will help with conservation.

Lol. They also lick their own butthole! But seriously, is it regular dog food or lamb and rice?:D

Mazilla
03-23-2009, 10:41 AM
Actually it's royal canine<sp> and it's like 55.00 for 30lbs, so it probably tastes good. :beatdeadhorse5: is supposed to be good anyways right?:D

HUGH
03-23-2009, 11:57 AM
Dont forget these:http://www.taintpaint.com/info.htm
http://www.smeat.net/:thumbsup:

Mazilla
03-23-2009, 12:22 PM
LOL @ "niagara balls".

Seesm
03-23-2009, 3:14 PM
Tacticalcity.com for Maxpedition and BlackHawk gear.

So if I order the 16 inch flat top upper for $395 off Tactical City how long till that is in my warm hands, realistically?

Thanks!

I am building (2) AR's as I speak and need (2) .223 units. And then a .22 conversion kit for (1) of those.

tacticalcity
03-23-2009, 10:42 PM
So if I order the 16 inch flat top upper for $395 off Tactical City how long till that is in my warm hands, realistically?

Thanks!

I am building (2) AR's as I speak and need (2) .223 units. And then a .22 conversion kit for (1) of those.

I'll PM you so people won't think we hijacked the thread.

till44
03-24-2009, 1:42 AM
:rofl:

By the way, I used to go to a forum a year ago where we discussed the same BOB issue. After 16 pages, somebody started talking about the necessity of protecting our supplies, and he said that he would shoot anybody who comes too close (in a SHTF situation). I think that TRUST would be generally low, but there would still be many people who wouldn't want to harm others unnecessarily and would be looking for a good group. I still wonder, how can we recognize, who is a threat and who's not, before it's too late.

I'm hoping for a world in which honor, courage, virtue and help value a lot. In the meantime, I'm trying to have a high awareness about the world around.

Sorry, it's a bit different subject, but it's related enough...

If a situation ever arises my family will all be wearing homemade CG t-shirts, so don't shoot, we're friendlies.

I think some of the often overlooked items in a BOB are maps (the more detailed for you area the better) with already identified "escape" routes and various predetermined destinations. Also portable radios, baby wipes (various uses), and any prescriptions you may need on a daily basis. Great packs so far. I have three kids, some in diapers still so my pack seems to grow weekly and is in a constant state of change.

anhero
03-24-2009, 5:31 PM
+1 on a detailed map and escape routes preplanned. wouldn't matter what you have if you don't know where you're going and what's ahead of you. just don't let the zombies get a hold of it!

Canucker
03-29-2009, 4:37 AM
I started it ;-)

Still, let's keep on posting any related info to this one. I think it's a very good thread.

Where is it... not to thread jack but it would be pretty cool if we had a general map of California with "friendly" flags.... Simi to San Francisco can be a ways but if there are "friendly" stops along the way that helps.... just don't be expecting me to share some of my dog food:thumbsup:

Dark&Good
03-29-2009, 6:07 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=159859

tacticalcity
03-29-2009, 2:59 PM
Half the time when I click on Outdoors, Camping and Survival this thread does not appear in the list of threads. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it is not. Very strange!

Dark&Good
03-29-2009, 3:02 PM
Pick a longer time interval under the threads list...

Chewyoates77
03-29-2009, 3:45 PM
get a snuggie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05ZQ7WHw8Y

Dark&Good
03-29-2009, 3:54 PM
Haha, with the same effort, I put on my poncho or coat :D

Chewyoates77
03-30-2009, 7:41 PM
I am spending waaaay to much money to make my B.O.B bag. I already have my 1-2 day B.O.B for my truck.
I am making a long term one right now...good times

HUGH
04-05-2009, 5:03 PM
I think i need rock one of these on my Bag

Spyder
04-05-2009, 8:16 PM
Ha. Sweet. Just started working on setting up a few various bags for different parts of the house/truck/bob/etc. Was having trouble coming up with a few of the ideas and remembered seeing this thread a while back. Helpful!

Planning stages are boggling my mind with how much I'm going to spend! Good times!

cryptkeeper
04-05-2009, 10:57 PM
Ha. Sweet. Just started working on setting up a few various bags for different parts of the house/truck/bob/etc. Was having trouble coming up with a few of the ideas and remembered seeing this thread a while back. Helpful!

Planning stages are boggling my mind with how much I'm going to spend! Good times!

If you spend $2K on a BOB and build it over 3 years, I promise it'll all be worth it when you are able to survive for a few days in SHTF.

stormy_clothing
04-06-2009, 2:30 PM
if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron

cryptkeeper
04-06-2009, 2:38 PM
if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron

I should have noted that I include weapons and ammo into that price. One good rifle, a pistol and a couple hundred rounds of ammo plus the supplies for 3 days will put you at 2K easy if you buy everything new. A Mini-14 and Glock 19 alone will eat up half that.

tombkeeper
04-07-2009, 9:06 AM
if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron


you're not "your"

skateboarder74
04-07-2009, 10:10 AM
CATTY!

hotwls13
04-10-2009, 2:29 PM
Great thread guys. I have been meaning to put together a Bug-Out-Bag (or Earthquake kit for those wanting to keep a low profile).

I have taken tons of info from this thread and put it into a LONG list. I didn't really include firearms or ammo as that would be something to grab out of the safe when the time arises. If i am away from home, I will have a handgun and ammo with me.

Here is my list so far. They are kind of broken down for me as a shopping list as lots of these thing's I do not have (YET).

My bag: ALICE PACK (or similar backpack)

WAL-MART:
550-cord
sporks
weather/fm/am radio (LOTS OF BATTERIES)
Zippo Lighter Fluid
matches/lighter
"modern flint and steel" made of magnesium
Baby Wipes
Chem lights
Salt and Pepper and Lawry's Seasoning
Sunblock
Sunglasses
Road Flares
Axe/Hatchet
Mess kits
sharpening stone
emt and wilderness trauma kit
Bug nets
fishing kit/game cleaning
waterproof box/bags
Sewing kit
Candy (jolly ranchers)
Gatorade powdered
CLIF BARS
compass
Spectra fiber line (for fishing or trip wires also comes in natural colors)
sterno
Rope
Roll of Electrician's Tape
Superglue
Shovel/Saw/Pick Multi-Tool
Whistle
Nalgene Water Bottles
Steri-Pen UV Light Water Sterilizer
Space Blanket x2
Signal Mirror
Chapstick
Snare Wire
Safety Pins
100% Deet Bug Repelent
Large "Survival" Knife
16 oz. Hydrogen Peroxide
16 oz Rubbing Alcohol
tooth brushes and paste
sm manicure set
9mm Boresnake
Sealed Container of Clenzoil One Step Gun Cleaning Wipes
poncho x 2
Wool Socks

AAA:
Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too

Military Supply Store:
Canteen with canteen cup.
Folding shovel
MRE's x2 (I would like to get a couple cases but not for the BOB)
Nomex Gloves

Make at Home:
Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.

Online Purchase:
Small Otis cleaning Kit
Katadyn Hiker water purifier and 10 filters.
QuikClot blood stopper
5.11 Tactical Khaki Style Vest
Wilderness Tactical Instructors Belt (already have one, need another for the bag)
Shemagh

Check Into:
more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro).
ANY PRESCRIPTION MEDS
7 Penicillin pills

Books:
Boy Scout Handbook
US Army Survival Manual
SAS Pocket Survival Book


Already Have:
Over the counter meds like (Excedrin, Tylenol, Pepto etc)
1-Paperback Book
Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp. single LED lights with lots of batteries
Cash
small tarp
223 Boresnake
Zippo Lighters
Binos
playing cards or dice
containers for water and or eating
Leatherman
Immodium AD or other anti diarrhea product.
No-Doz (or similar).
Sharpies with Duct Tape strips around it
Aluminum foil
knee brace
Ammo (small amount for multiple calibers) I will have more when I grab the guns
2-way radios
Carabiners
Small Notepad
Razor Blades
Extra Large Rubber Bands
Assorted Cable Ties
2 Large Trash Bags
2 Large Ziploc Bags
Toilet Paper in Ziplock bag
medium cheap fixed blade knife
medium cheap folding knife
Towels
Nitrile Gloves
Kydex Handgun and Magazine Holsters
Magazines for Handgun and Rifle
Foamie Ear Plugs – 10 sets


CLOTHING:
Danner Desert Boots
Floppy Hat
Beanie
Gore-tex jacket
Leather Gloves
1-T-Shirt Long Sleeve
1-Pair Khaki Style Cargo Pants
3 pairs underwear
3 pairs socks
2 t-shirts
hooded sweatshirt

Dark&Good
04-10-2009, 2:44 PM
instead of Penicillin, I suggest Zythromax

hotwls13
04-10-2009, 7:07 PM
I just Looked up prescription meds online. I've never bought stuff like this to have on-hand. I've always gotten meds by going to the doctor AFTER I was sick and getting a prescription.

Is this typical behaviour?? Can I get a prescription from my local Doc and have my insurance cover it (just paying the co-pay) or is that frowned upon?? How do you guys get prescription antibiotics in bulk or ahead of time?? Buy it through Canada and pay full price??

Dark&Good
04-10-2009, 7:18 PM
I bought Zithromax online from India.

JellyTheory
04-10-2009, 7:32 PM
I bought Zithromax online from India.

Which site did you use? Did you have any problems having it imported?

Thanks!

-Chris

hotwls13
04-10-2009, 7:46 PM
I too would like some info. This online prescription thing is ALL new to me. Also, if you are required to have a prescription, how do you get one if you are NOT currently sick??

Dark&Good
04-10-2009, 8:14 PM
What prescription? :D

I simply ordered 2 boxes (6 pills/box) from www.alldaychemist.com
It spent some time in Customs here... In total, took about a month to receive it (shipping+customs time). The 12 pills cost $6.28, shipping was $24.90.

sickboy774
04-10-2009, 8:46 PM
I would swap out that 6.8 for a .223, .308, or 7.62x39. I think those calibers would be easier to find/trade if you were to run out.

Dark&Good
04-10-2009, 8:53 PM
If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.

Some Guy
04-10-2009, 9:02 PM
If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.

+1

Also a note about lighters. Ive smoked for way too long and know a bit about lighters, Bics are where its at. If you put some of those cheap adjustable lighters (prone to failure) in your BOB you just may end up cold and pissed you didnt buy a 5 pack of bics for about 5 bucks.

Some Guy
04-10-2009, 9:08 PM
What prescription? :D

I simply ordered 2 boxes (6 pills/box) from www.alldaychemist.com
It spent some time in Customs here... In total, took about a month to receive it (shipping+customs time). The 12 pills cost $6.28, shipping was $24.90.

Thanks for the link.
BTW what are you ordering from them that has you posting all that oddity?:p

Dark&Good
04-10-2009, 9:23 PM
Thanks for the link.
BTW what are you ordering from them that has you posting all that oddity?:p

Haha... the only pills I took in the last one year were 2 Excedrins :D

hotwls13
04-12-2009, 4:21 PM
If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.

I have three Zippo's. They will NOT be my only firestarters, but I plan to have a few bags (one in my Jeep). I have heard the zippos leak, so I plan to keep them in baggies.

What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??

Some Guy
04-12-2009, 5:03 PM
What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??

Leaks, you may be better off leaving the Zippo dry and including a well sealed bottle of fuel.
ETA: Unless its pretty windy a BIC cant be beat, they are good for thousands of reliable lights. Zippo fuel will evaporate.

hotwls13
04-12-2009, 5:23 PM
Leaks, you may be better off leaving the Zippo dry and including a well sealed bottle of fuel.
ETA: Unless its pretty windy a BIC cant be beat, they are good for thousands of reliable lights. Zippo fuel will evaporate.

I PLAN to have BIC's as well. I'm new to all of this, but to me FIRE is VERY important (Heat, clean water, light etc). I plan to have around 4-5 ways to make fire in each bag.

I like the idea of leaving the zippo's empty (I have three that have never been used) then just keeping a sealed bottle of fuel with each. Is a NEW sealed bottle of fuel in a zip-loc bag good enough or is there something more that would need to be done to seal it??

I like there ability to light in the wind plus, I think they have a decent trade value if needed.

Some Guy
04-12-2009, 5:31 PM
If its a flip top type bottle I would duct tape it closed and make sure it wouldnt be squeezed too much.

hotwls13
04-12-2009, 8:18 PM
Makes sense, I will probably put it inside a baggy and put that inside of a hard-sided dry box.

Ishoot
04-12-2009, 8:35 PM
Great thread folks...thanks for all the ideas.:thumbsup:

Dark&Good
04-13-2009, 2:48 AM
I have three Zippo's. They will NOT be my only firestarters, but I plan to have a few bags (one in my Jeep). I have heard the zippos leak, so I plan to keep them in baggies.

What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??

ODOR!!! :D
What thread are we writing to, "Ladies' Tolerance"?

Sorry, but your first "suspicions" should be somethin' more... practical?

What I look at, you wanna be able to CARRY your pack.
What I look at, you wanna be able to use it, NO MATTER WHAT.

A lighter lighter does the same thing a Zippo does.
And if you don't have gasoline (that a Zippo could use = if you're not planning a strictly car-related pack), the biggest ferrocerium rod will be lighter than a Zippo, and will last longer.

WokMaster1
04-13-2009, 8:48 AM
anyone tried using a fire piston? I have one in addition to other types of firestarters. Youtube has a bunch of videos for DIIY or a nicer one www.fire-piston.com

hotwls13
04-13-2009, 8:56 AM
OK, I got it guys. The Zippo's can be left at home. ;) I just figured why not since I already have some. Plus, I have always liked zippo's in a nostalgic sort of way. ;)

So, for fire, I'm looking at:

Bics (2 per bag)
Matches (in a sealed container)
Magnesium Fire Starter

DisgruntledReaper
04-13-2009, 9:47 AM
'Bics (2 per bag)
Matches (in a sealed container)
Magnesium Fire Starter '

I would like to expand on your choices-

Get 'strike anywhere' matches if you can- look for 'blue diamond' brand,seen them at local Ace hardware near me-they are wood matches. Make sure they are the 'STRIKE ANYWHERE' and not strike on box.

Mag firestarter-great choice,can get them at the local G shows-some guy sells them for pretty cheap. ALSO-tried using the Magnesium anode rod sold for RV water heater use....it does burn but it must be an alloy because there are some long ash type stuff that floats off in the air instead of burning clean. but it is an option for a backup mag supply ,they are big rods and they have a built in threaded nut to use as a handle.

Regarding BIC lighters--KEEP THEM IN A SEALED CONTAINER!!!---I had one blow up in my car once---got too hot in the car and the pressure built up and it blew..no fire thank god but it was a loud scary bang and plastic shrapnel all over.....glad I was just unlocking the car and the doors were still shut!

Good luck for all of us and our BOB's --sucks that $$$ goes up like crazy if you dupe for each car and family member...

puropuro
04-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Picked up one of those magnesium firestarters at Wallyworld...just a few bucks.
I also ordered some of those cheapie torch lighters from one of the links in the beginning of this thread (I think it was this thread).

hotwls13
04-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Get 'strike anywhere' matches if you can-

sucks that $$$ goes up like crazy if you dupe for each car and family member...

I'll look for those matches. I had planned on wood matches, but strike anywhere does sound better.

It is crazy how much you can spend on this stuff ESPECIALLY buying multiples. I plan to have the most complete bag in my Jeep, then lesser bags in our Camry and at the house. As I get more funds the other bags will get completed just like my Jeep bag.

As far as the BAG itself, I think for now I have some backpacks/gym bags i can use for now, but I think an ALICE LC-1 pack is what I will end up with. Just seems to be the best bang for your buck. I can't bring myself to spend $100 or more on a bag.

Dark&Good
04-13-2009, 2:27 PM
anyone tried using a fire piston? I have one in addition to other types of firestarters. Youtube has a bunch of videos for DIIY or a nicer one www.fire-piston.com

I have two fire pistons. Pretty versatile, since one can use many versions of cellulose to start a fire with (any dry plant material).

bigworm
04-13-2009, 3:56 PM
... if one had to actually "bug out" wouldn't it be more sensible
to go low-pro, like a civilian day-pak instead of some sort of digital camo,molle, GI Joe looking bag?


My personal belief is the bag you carry everyday to work (example: laptop backpack) should contain everything you need to bug in/out within 24hrs. Whats more practical than something you have with you all the time?

Next best thing is a "stage 2" in the car.

For me, it makes sense to bug-in, because if something like an earthquake or zombie attack happens chances are high i will be 30+ miles from home (at work). And my home is where i have my longer term preperation, dog, family, etc. I carry what i need to survive an urban environment for the foot race home, and thats it.

I want to get more ideas of things to pack, but I see too many "extras" in people's packs... if you plan on taking things that can only be useful in a very specific combination or specific situation, they're useless. In a stressful, dangerous, panic filled environment you will be carrying 30lbs of useless weight. You dont have to be a backpacker or solider to understand this.

i'm kind of a hopeless, terse, minimalist.


...many that were caught carrying had their guns
taken away; law abiding and not so law abiding types.


extremely good point. check points & bottlenecks. They'll have the numbers, its a losing battle.

Rick530
04-14-2009, 10:43 AM
Buddy of mine stopped by yesterday. Saw the 2 B.O.B. bags and asked what they were. Told him and he just looked at me like I was out of my mind. lol

hotwls13
04-14-2009, 10:54 AM
Buddy of mine stopped by yesterday. Saw the 2 B.O.B. bags and asked what they were. Told him and he just looked at me like I was out of my mind. lol

I think I'm just going to call mine emergency/earthquake kits. Essentially the same thing but it doesn't freak out the sheep.

I'm also trying to figure out what SIZE bag(s) I will need. I wasthinking of ONE HUGE bag in my Jeep, then having a few smaller for other places (wifes car, house, work etc). But I am not thinking of using a small-medium sized bag in ALL instances. I like the idea of having AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in my Jeep as it is with me nearly 95% of the time. Only time I would be without it would be my wifes car, and I just don't see bugging out too far in a Camry.

I may try to have like 4 stage 1 kits (Jeep, Camry, House, Work) then a stage 2/3 also stored in my Jeep as well as one at the house.

I would just like to avoid buying a really expensive (AND LARGE) bag if I can get away with smaller more manageable bags. I also like the idea of being as light as possible when carrying the bag, though I think it doesn't hurt to have an extra stage 2/3 bag in case you are NOT on foot (either mobile in the Jeep or staying at home).

Rick530
04-14-2009, 11:01 AM
Yeah I hear ya. Told him not to come beggin to me for supplies if god forbid anything ever did happen.
I think I'm just going to call mine emergency/earthquake kits. Essentially the same thing but it doesn't freak out the sheep.

1SGMAT
04-14-2009, 1:01 PM
Did not read all the post but if not recommended yet, Take a lot of moleskin because your feet may be tough but if bugging out on foot with the wife/kids expect blisters and hot spots. If their feet go down your stuck. You may invest in some of that blister guide too.

hotwls13
04-14-2009, 4:29 PM
Cool, I'll have to lok into that.

Now another new obsession. Knives.

I want a folding and a fixed blade. I have a friend that's somewhat into knives and he recommended these to me:

SOG Flash II (can be had for around $40 shipped)
SOG Seal Pup (can be had for around $58 shipped)

What do you guys think??

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 6:34 PM
I suggest that you read the part about "modular B.O.B.s" in this thread, if you didn't read it all yet.

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 6:35 PM
Cool, I'll have to lok into that.

Now another new obsession. Knives.

I want a folding and a fixed blade. I have a friend that's somewhat into knives and he recommended these to me:

SOG Flash II (can be had for around $40 shipped)
SOG Seal Pup (can be had for around $58 shipped)

What do you guys think??

There is a thread here somewhere about knives...

Chewyoates77
04-14-2009, 9:21 PM
i need to get pics up soon, i am bout 70 percent done with my bag, just need to put the list together. then you guys get to tell me what else i need :)
love it

Dark&Good
04-14-2009, 9:27 PM
i need to get pics up soon, i am bout 70 percent done with my bag, just need to put the list together. then you guys get to tell me what else i need :)
love it

...or what you don't ;) (half joke) :D

hotwls13
04-15-2009, 7:26 AM
I suggest that you read the part about "modular B.O.B.s" in this thread, if you didn't read it all yet.

I found what you wrote about your modular setup. What bag/bags are you using??

Dark&Good
04-15-2009, 2:26 PM
I found what you wrote about your modular setup. What bag/bags are you using??

I'd say, depends on how much stuff you can/will carry, otherwise just get something light and tough for each module, and make sure the "level2" (day pack) fits into the "level3", something like this:

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/_modules.jpg

The hip pack (level1) is on your hip at all times, with the most basic (most important) items in it.

I made a few trips with this setup, organizing what goes where, and I ended up with what works best for me. I listed the contents of my hip pack and day pack earlier.

Dark&Good
04-16-2009, 4:46 AM
I'm heading out in a few hours. I'm taking level2 gear:

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/1level2.jpg

popndrop
04-16-2009, 12:43 PM
I'm heading out in a few hours. I'm taking level2 gear:

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/1level2.jpg

Is that the set up for a trip to the mall?

I really like that set up - clean and tidy - what kind of sheath is that? i'd like one for my kit.

Chewyoates77
04-16-2009, 1:44 PM
popndrop, thats his B.O.B he uses when he gets his hair done, he doesnt want any trouble when he gets his fade done.