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Librarian
01-20-2009, 02:45 PM
h/t David Hardy (http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2009/01/what_if_heller.php)

What if Heller had turned out the other way?

Prof. Nick Johnson asks the question (http://lawreview.law.wfu.edu/documents/issue.43.837.pdf), in the Wake Forest Law Review. His points are practical rather than legal ones. (1) The only supply-side gun control that would have a chance of affecting crime is a ban and confiscation, all this toying around with assault weapons and similar issues is mere symbolism that affects nothing. (2) Anyone who thinks a ban and confiscation would work is delusional.

55 pages, a lot of it is footnotes.


IMAGINING GUN CONTROL IN AMERICA:
UNDERSTANDING THE REMAINDER PROBLEM
Nicholas J. Johnson

INTRODUCTION
Gun control in the United States generally has meant some type of supply regulation. Some rules are uncontroversial like user- targeted restrictions that define the untrustworthy and prohibit them from accessing the legitimate supply. Some have been very controversial like the District of Columbia’s recently overturned law prohibiting essentially the entire population from possessing firearms. Other contentious restrictions have focused on particular types of guns—e.g., the now expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Some laws, like one-gun-a-month, target straw purchases but also constrict overall supply. Various other supply restrictions operate at the state and local level. Proposals for stricter gun control typically involve expansion of supply controls toward the goal of bringing the U.S. rate of gun crime down to the levels of other first-tier industrialized nations—places where background conditions along with supply-side restrictions have resulted in dramatically lower inventories of guns than in the United States.

None of these measures have been particularly successful and, upon reflection, have been somewhat peculiar. We have pressed supply-side rules at the margin—e.g., with prospective limits on supply and restrictions on obscure categories of guns—all while denying that disarmament is the ultimate goal. This recipe for gun control has yielded disappointing results.

Stringent de jure supply restrictions actually have correlated with higher levels of gun crime. This is not surprising. De jure supply restrictions are not the same as de facto supply reduction. Effective supply-side regulation requires earnest pursuit and eventual achievement of an environment where the civilian gun inventory, both legitimate and contraband, is very small (“the supply-side ideal”). In the handful of municipalities that have attempted true gun bans, supply has continued to meet demand primarily because the existing inventory of guns is vast, and people have real world incentives to defy gun bans. These two phenomena, elaborated here as the “remainder problem” and the “defiance impulse,” have confounded supply restrictions for decades.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment prohibits general disarmament, the temptation is to view Heller as the central obstacle to effective gun controls. This is a mistake born of our failure to confront the incoherence of supply-side controls pre-Heller. While Heller technically prohibits the supply-side ideal, supply-side rules are, and long have been, blocked by structural barriers rooted in the nature of our armed society—viz., 300 million guns tightly held by people who believe they are uniquely useful tools.

Two things are foreseeable. First, supply regulations on the edges of Heller will have only symbolic effect because Heller plainly bars laws intended to cut supply to zero. Second, because Heller formally blocks the supply-side ideal, its trajectory will be the focus of political and constitutional warfare. Underlying this will be the mistaken perception that, with sufficient political shift and Heller nullified, supply controls still might work in America. Understanding the structural barriers to supply controls will help us avoid that mistake.

This Article will illuminate those structural barriers by removing, theoretically, the constitutional impediment of Heller and the political impediments to the supply-side ideal. Assume, therefore, that Heller is reversed or explained away. Assume further that the political barriers to sweeping supply controls are overcome. Now imagine gun control in America.

Dr Rockso
01-20-2009, 04:48 PM
Looks like a good article. I only had time to skim it, but I really like the conclusion:

CONCLUSION
Without a commitment to or capacity for eliminating the
existing inventory of private guns, the supply-side ideal and
regulations based on it cannot be taken seriously. It is best to
acknowledge the blocking power of the remainder and adjust our
gun control regulations and goals to that reality. Policymakers who
continue to press legislation grounded on the supply-side ideal while
disclaiming the goal of prohibition are deluded or pandering.

CCWFacts
01-20-2009, 05:07 PM
I'll probably read that article at some point, but look, the whole gun control thing has nothing at all to do with safety. Gun control advocates are just fine with the situation that exists in other countries, like Jamaica, with absolute gun bans and out-of-control crime. Gun control is all about trying to find some way to antagonize conservatives, people who believe in independence, self-reliance and so on. It's also about destroying gun culture and all the other cultural things associated with it (again, self-reliance and so on). Banning guns, even if it means that the total number of guns doesn't change, does result in people not being able to take their guns out to the range, teach new shooters how to use them, etc.

Europe was awash with guns after WWII, and probably no small number of them ended up wrapped in oily rags and stowed in attics and cellars. But because they were illegal, they couldn't be used for fun and for teaching, so gun culture ended in many parts of Europe. That's what they want.

Publius
01-21-2009, 08:23 AM
Johnson makes a good point about the supply of guns, but I'm surprised he didn't spend a little more time talking about the supply of ammunition. If the government were able to suppress ammunition production, the supply of guns in circulation wouldn't mean much. Of course, the government isn't likely to be able to eliminate black market ammo any more than they've been able to eliminate black market drugs, but ammunition is still the weakest point in Johnson's supply argument.

Alan Block
01-21-2009, 10:52 AM
Ammo is easily manufactured in homes and garages. And a single box of ammo is a lifetime supply for most criminals.

dfletcher
01-21-2009, 11:09 AM
A lighter read that touched on gun control, among other things, is a book called "Freakonomics" - their conclusion was that gun control can not work in an environment that also has a black market structure for delivering the same product. Intersting book overall, although if I recall they sometimes stretched cause & effect.

PatriotnMore
01-21-2009, 11:39 AM
"We have pressed supply-side rules at the margin—e.g., with prospective limits on supply and restrictions on obscure categories of guns—all while denying that disarmament is the ultimate goal."

This is the bottom line for me. The fact that we have Americans who not only agree and support this thinking, but actively work to twist and make an abortion out of our BOR and the Constitution, is mind boggling to me personally.

"Johnson makes a good point about the supply of guns, but I'm surprised he didn't spend a little more time talking about the supply of ammunition. If the government were able to suppress ammunition production, the supply of guns in circulation wouldn't mean much. Of course, the government isn't likely to be able to eliminate black market ammo any more than they've been able to eliminate black market drugs, but ammunition is still the weakest point in Johnson's supply argument."

Yes, but to make it illegal is the goal, and one needs to ask, who really benefits, and why is this so important? History has already provided the answers, yet we are continuing to fight, to keep what is guaranteed to us by our fore fathers, who knew well how tyranny is an evolution to power, greed and control.

Librarian
01-21-2009, 12:44 PM
A lighter read that touched on gun control, among other things, is a book called "Freakonomics" - their conclusion was that gun control can not work in an environment that also has a black market structure for delivering the same product. Intersting book overall, although if I recall they sometimes stretched cause & effect.

And a heavier treatment is "Can Gun Control Work (http://www.amazon.com/Control-Studies-Crime-Public-Policy/dp/0195176588/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232570496&sr=1-25)" by James B. Jacobs. Answer is "no".

That book is one of the things I wish I could compel every legislator and appointed police official to read.