It has started already

[!@#$]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=818381
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/


"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

[JDay]

Thats the exact same text that was on change.gov, nothing new here.

[Mikeb]

Big Brother's new target: Tracking of all firearms
'This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners'

Posted: January 13, 2009
10:08 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill.

U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., is hoping to pass a firearm-licensing bill that will significantly rewrite gun-ownership laws in America.

Among the more controversial provisions of the bill are requirements that all handgun owners submit to the federal government a photo, thumb print and mental heath records. Further, the bill would order the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer and owner's address in America.

The bill claims its purpose is "to protect the pubic against the unreasonable risk of injury and death associated with the unrecorded sale or transfer of firearms to criminals and youth."

Columnist David Codrea of Guns Magazine, however, calls it a "ridiculous affront to liberty."

"This is nothing less than a declaration of war on American gun owners," Codrea writes on Gun Rights Examiner.

Rush's proposed bill, H.R. 45, is alternatively known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009," named after an Illinois teenager killed by a gunshot.

According the bill's text, "On the afternoon of May 10, 2007, Blair Holt, a junior at Julian High School in Chicago, was killed on a public bus riding home from school when he used his body to shield a girl who was in the line of fire after a young man boarded the bus and started shooting."

The bill then argues that interstate firearm trafficking and children dying from gun violence create legitimate cause for the federal government to monitor gun ownership and transfers in new ways.

If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.

To obtain a "Blair Holt" license, an application must be made that includes a photo, address, all previous aliases, thumb print, completion of a written firearm safety test, release of mental health records to the attorney general and a fee not to exceed $25.

Further, the bill makes it illegal to transfer ownership of a qualifying firearm to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector. Exceptions to this rule include transfer to family members by gift or bequest and loans, not to exceed 30 days, of a firearm for lawful purposes "between persons who are personally known to each other."

The bill also requires qualifying firearm owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours or fail to report a change of address within 60 days.

And if a minor obtains a weapon and injures someone with it, the owner of the gun – if deemed to have failed to meet certain safety requirements – faces a multiple-year jail sentence.

H.R. 45 is a resurfacing of 2007's H.R. 2666, which contained much of the same language and was co-sponsored by 15 other representatives and Barack Obama's current chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel. H.R. 2666 was assigned to the House Judiciary committee, where no action was taken.

H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors and is likewise assigned to the House Judiciary committee.





"If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill

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[Glock22Fan]

If passed, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" – defined as any handgun or any semiautomatic firearm that takes an ammunition clip – without a "Blair Holt" license.

Good. All of my semi-autos take magazines, not clips. so I guess it wouldn't apply to me.

[M1A Rifleman]

Is there anyone on this board surprised about this? They will move quickly with little public notice or media hype. This time it will all be on the hush hush until the signature by the Pres.

[csmintel]

militias are not legal for the reasons that they can actually fight back an injustice like this.

fisrt they take away your right to organize, then your guns, then your right to free speech.

[Tarn_Helm]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=818381
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/


"Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

"Already?"

It started back in 1998, when Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.” (http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/2008Obamafactsht.pdf)

See: 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

:beatdeadhorse5::banghead::taz::rant:

[motorhead]

more up to the minute news from wnd and arf.com., certainly the
wells of all knowlege.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

That bill will not fly. The provision for production of mental health records is already against federal law. If they remove that, they might have a chance to get the rst of the bill's provisions through.

[SwissFluCase]

That bill will not fly. The provision for production of mental health records is already against federal law. If they remove that, they might have a chance to get the rst of the bill's provisions through.

If we let them.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[sigsauer887]

That bill will not fly. The provision for production of mental health records is already against federal law. If they remove that, they might have a chance to get the rst of the bill's provisions through.

They tried it last session, it went nowhere also.

[lauj87]

Yeah its funny how Obama is trying to "Restrict" our second amendment, but you look at CNN right before the inaugural ceremony and what do you see!? Counter-Terrorist measures, snipers on roofs getting ready to do what ever it takes to keep the vary same man alive who try’s to single handedly strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment and the right to protect their own life and liberty.

[FreedomIsNotFree]

I can just imagine it...folks from AR15dotcom caressing their rifles while reading the latest FUD....Canary Asses talking...and talking...and talking...

[cousinkix1953]

Is there anyone on this board surprised about this? They will move quickly with little public notice or media hype. This time it will all be on the hush hush until the signature by the Pres.

NO! I find ironic that these gun control bills are in the hand of the Judiciary committee. A little research will show youi the connection between sen Patrick Leahy and the San Francisco GRATEFUL DEAD scene. You can bet that he was at the innaugural reunion in Washington DC on Tuesday night!

[JDay]

militias are not legal for the reasons that they can actually fight back an injustice like this.

fisrt they take away your right to organize, then your guns, then your right to free speech.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt

CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-MISC1-
Sec.
311. Militia: composition and classes.
312. Militia duty: exemptions.

-End-



-CITE-
10 USC Sec. 311 01/03/2007

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-HEAD-
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied
males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section
313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a
declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States
and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the
National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
Naval Militia.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[motorhead]

I can just imagine it...folks from AR15dotcom caressing their rifles while reading the latest FUD....Canary Asses talking...and talking...and talking...
imagine the sheer quatities of tinfoil being consumed!

[nick]

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt



http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/

Now match that to the CA laws :)

[Cary Ford]

NO! I find ironic that these gun control bills are in the hand of the Judiciary committee. A little research will show youi the connection between sen Patrick Leahy and the San Francisco GRATEFUL DEAD scene. You can bet that he was at the innaugural reunion in Washington DC on Tuesday night!

I love the Grateful Dead.