UCLA Law Review Symposium, “The Second Amendment and the Right to Bear Arms After D.C

[Blackwater OPS]

The Volume 56 UCLA Law Review Symposium, entitled “The Second Amendment and the Right to Bear Arms After D.C. v. Heller,” will take place on January 23, 2009, beginning at 8:00 a.m. at the UCLA School of Law. The Symposium will provide a forum for discussing the constitutional implications of the landmark right-to-bear-arms case, District of Columbia v. Heller. Bringing together leading figures in constitutional law, right-to-bear-arms scholarship, and criminal justice policy, the Symposium will critically examine the Heller controversy and assess the likely impact of the ruling on the future of gun control and on constitutional theory more broadly. Speakers will include Professor Saul Cornell from Ohio State, Professor Reva Siegel from Yale Law School, Professor Mark Tushnet from Harvard Law School, and Professors Eugene Volokh and Adam Winkler from UCLA School of Law.

PROGRAM SCHEDULE


8:00 am - 8:30 am

Registration and Continental Breakfast

8:30 am - 8:45 am

Welcome

8:45 am - 10:15 am

Heller and History

10:30 am - 12:00 pm

Heller and Constitutional Interpretation

12:00 pm - 1:15 pm

Lunch
ucla faculty club

1:30 pm - 3:00 pm

Heller and Gun Rights:
Litigation Strategy and Political Strategy

3:15 pm - 5:00 pm

Firearms Regulation after Heller

Registration is Free. All questions regarding the Symposium should be directed to Allison Holcombe (holcombe2009@lawnet.ucla.edu) and Kevin Winzer (winzer2009@lawnet.ucla.edu).

[Liberty1]

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[Ford8N]

That looks really interesting. If I lived in LA I would make the time to go.

[FreshTapCoke]

Argh, I can't keep taking Fridays off or else I would go to this. Will there be a recording of this made available afterwards?

[sholling]

Based on the colleges that they teach at I have to wonder if this will be a one sided or nearly one sided discussion.

[Liberty1]

Anything with Professor Eugene Volokh is worth attending even if he is flanked by 100 antis.

[sholling]

Anything with Professor Eugene Volokh is worth attending even if he is flanked by 100 antis.
Then I almost wish I lived closer.

[FreedomIsNotFree]

Someone please ensure we get this on video.

[hoffmang]

My favorite comment from Volokh at his last Federalist Society event can be paraphrased this way:

Antis always want to compare total homicides to self defense homicides but this misses the point. A self defense homicide is by definition a failure. The point of using a gun for self defense is to get the other guy to run away - an event not needing a police response or report.

-Gene

[MP301]

I clicked on the email link in the post and asked about transcripts or recordings of this event..... The respoinse I got from Allison was that they are looking into recording it and would let me know......

[7x57]

My favorite comment from Volokh at his last Federalist Society event can be paraphrased this way:

Antis always want to compare total homicides to self defense homicides but this misses the point. A self defense homicide is by definition a failure. The point of using a gun for self defense is to get the other guy to run away - an event not needing a police response or report.



All true, but there are *many* different ways they have twisted statistics, that is just one. You probably know them better than I do--counting 22-y-old gang-bangers as "children tragically killed by guns in the home" and so on. Identifying the statistical gamesmanship is like playing whack-a-mole.

I don't know if there is a definitive list, but you can find a lot in Nemerov's book. And when I say "you," I mean "whoever is interested," since I imagine I haven't said a thing you (Gene) don't already know.

7x57

[Liberty1]

btt

[Liberty1]

:cowboy:

[Liberty1]

:)...

[Blackwater OPS]

Anyone going?

[7x57]

I could do it, barely. I'm not sure my wife would forgive me though, so I was hoping someone would say they would go and file a report.

7x57

[Builder]

Anyone going?
Yup!!
See ya all tomorrow,
Builder

[ontargetrange]

All,

I went to the UCLA DC v. Heller symposium yesterday and found it quite enlightening and disheartening. I won’t go into great detail here, and will say that they are going to release/sell a video of the meeting – at least they said they are going to.

Uniformly ALL of the participants were unhappy with the Scalia written opinion. It was lacking in real clear definition and terms. They all complained that while he said he was looking back at the intent of the original framers of the 2nd amendment (Mr. Madison and Hamilton) he didn’t fully use their quotes and words to define “arms” and Militia. Big point of contention in the meeting between the pros and cons about who is Militia and who are the People, and what is "arms.'

Several of the Pro folks have some very strong supporting documents and quotes from the framers, that the cons totally ignore or dismiss out of hand as not relevant. Yeah right, just because one of the quotes was made by the person George Washington had selected as the next Attorney General did not make it relevant. They were really out there on some of their logic about why this or that works or doesn’t work.

At one point several of the cons were pointing fingers and saying that the only reason the pros were writing what they were writing was because they were getting paid by the NRA (seems they used three letters as a cuss word), immediatly each of the Pros challenged by them were quick to point out they have NOT been paid a dime by the NRA and in fact the monies paid to their University came WITHOUT restrictions and with the condition that ONLY factual data – good or bad – be presented as their findings – really stopped the cons in their tracks.

The law firm that made the Heller case to the Supreme court was there – interesting how they did it and what it took to get there.

There are some other facts that were presented and when I get time I will try to put it all together in one pile and PDF it for everyone – after sitting for 7 hours I was little sore –

Was it worth it – YES – I got to see he face of the enemy – the Chief legal eagle for the brady bunch and hear the lies directly from the source – challenged him and so did many others – he never once stopped spilling the same set of numbers about the killing of 30,000 people by firearms --- even said they were having to change their focus because of Heller.

Finally – the one thing that was said and is the next push for anti’s is the way they are going to go after guns – they are looking to tax firearms with a “damage to society tax” and taxes on ammo. Plus several stated that the best crime fighter is the microstamping of ammo – they just know that they can keep track of 10 BILLION rounds a year with little cost and without errors.

Look out for the our fine State representation going after the ammo next -- it is going to happen -- tell everyone that we need their help to stop this.

[Rascal]

Thanks for the heads up. I guess that the cons just don't know what the truth really is. Sad, just sad. :(
Looking forward to your follow up.

[yellowfin]

Did they have vomit bags there I hope?

[SwissFluCase]

Finally – the one thing that was said and is the next push for anti’s is the way they are going to go after guns – they are looking to tax firearms with a “damage to society tax” and taxes on ammo. Plus several stated that the best crime fighter is the microstamping of ammo – they just know that they can keep track of 10 BILLION rounds a year with little cost and without errors.

This idea and those who push it need to be ridiculed without mercy. Talk shows, news releases, wherever. They won't be so excited about pushing it when everyone is laughing at them.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[Liberty1]

Thanks for the report! And welcome to Calguns Dec.'08!

[1911su16b870]

Thank you very much for the AAR, and I look forward to reading your pdf or viewing the video. Was at work yesterday from 0600 to 2200, so sadly I could not be there, but after reading your post, I wish I would have gone.

[Suvorov]

Thanks for the heads up. I guess that the cons just don't know what the truth really is. Sad, just sad. :(
Looking forward to your follow up.

Truth is irrelevant to them. Power is Truth and one can not have uncontested power without a monopoly on arms. They will continue to use statistical lies to tug at the sheeple's heartstrings and justify their actions, but their main goal is total power - always has been and always will be. :mad:

OP: Thanks for the AAR and the G2!

[glockman19]

Look out for the our fine State representation going after the ammo next

Exactly why i'm getting into reloading.

[ontargetrange]

Exactly why i'm getting into reloading.

They have already thought about that -- they will require that ALL brass and bullets be stamped and ANYTHING else destroyed/purged from the system -- it was dicussed as a viable process by the nitwit Prof at break -- so I asked if he could show me the computer systems and software that could track all of this data and who was going to enter it -- humans -- GIGO

[SimpleCountryActuary]

They have already thought about that -- they will require that ALL brass and bullets be stamped and ANYTHING else destroyed/purged from the system -- GIGO

Not to mention violating another part of the bill of rights about not taking private property for public use without due process. Oh, right, I forgot the SCOTUS already bailed on that one. They'll probably take our ammo to build a statue of His Holiness the POTUS.

[cryptkeeper]

I think these anti-gun people just need to have someone violent break into their house one time. I promise the time it takes for them to call the police to when the police arrive will cause them to change their mind about the 2A. The few people I know that were victims of a home invasion robbery that didn't own a gun before, own one now.

[Model17]

I saw your original post throwing this event out to everyone... I planned on attending but got tied down at work. I really appreciate your follow-up. Where did they say they would release the video?

[nick]

Truth is irrelevant to them. Power is Truth and one can not have uncontested power without a monopoly on arms. They will continue to use statistical lies to tug at the sheeple's heartstrings and justify their actions, but their main goal is total power - always has been and always will be. :mad:

OP: Thanks for the AAR and the G2!

It's not about them, it's about the people who listen to them. When one is ridiculed, fewer would listento him. Where do you think the gun nut idea comes from? :)

[dreyna14]

It's not about them, it's about the people who listen to them. When one is ridiculed, fewer would listento him. Where do you think the gun nut idea comes from? :)

Well, they certainly have nothing constructive to say so they resort to insults and claims of corruption.

[grammaton76]

I think these anti-gun people just need to have someone violent break into their house one time. I promise the time it takes for them to call the police to when the police arrive will cause them to change their mind about the 2A. The few people I know that were victims of a home invasion robbery that didn't own a gun before, own one now.

To paraphrase John Ringo's "Ghost"...

"Ok, you're a liberal who's being shot at - congratulations, you're halfway to becoming a conservative"

[1911su16b870]

Seems alot of the anti-s forgot how it was in Los Angeles during the last riots, or how it was in New Orleans post Katrina...:rolleyes:

[Dr Rockso]

or how it was in New Orleans post Katrina...:rolleyes:
Naw, they just decided to blame the Katrina aftermath on gun owners who supposedly murdered unarmed minorities.
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