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choiwonsuh
01-18-2009, 8:32 PM
Found this online...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Обрез_7.62-мм_винтовки_образца_1891_года.jpg

EBR Works
01-18-2009, 8:42 PM
BOOM

:nuts:

Gunaria
01-18-2009, 8:50 PM
Here's another one;

http://i44.tinypic.com/nxvn2a.jpg

nick
01-18-2009, 9:07 PM
The inscription says,

"Some samples of small arms used by the Polish patriots during their fight against the German..." <it cuts off there>

and

"This cutoff 7.62mm rifle mod. 1891 was used by the Polish patriots of <People's Army?> in the <Kielce or Kalisz> County"

My Russian is a bit out of date, and my Polish is a bit rusty,so there might be some errors there.

Looking at the receiver, it's probably one of those 1891 Mosin Nagants Poland inherited when it broke off from Russia in 1918.

Captain Evilstomper
01-18-2009, 9:16 PM
i can't even imagine how much it would hurt to shoot that...

nick
01-18-2009, 9:27 PM
Almost as much as it would to be on the receiving end of it :)

Cato
01-18-2009, 9:36 PM
I heard somewhere that the recoil is minimal since most of the powder is burned outside the barrel. Lots of flash and noise though.

FS00008
01-18-2009, 9:45 PM
It is called an Obrez.

And a correction to Nick's translation, it is plural of Germans (немецко), not German (немец), also Ludovit Guards a Polish guerrilla organization that operated against the Germans when they occupied Poland.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9B% D1%8E%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

The Ludovit Guards became the Army Ludovit in 1944

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%9B%D1%8E%D0%B4% D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0

FS00008
01-18-2009, 9:47 PM
Also,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

Spiggy
01-18-2009, 9:47 PM
you need to wear an ushanka and yell "Cossack Blast!" before firing the thing

rojocorsa
02-01-2009, 9:44 AM
...A bolt action Krinkov.

CSACANNONEER
02-01-2009, 9:49 AM
...A bolt action Krinkov.

Please explain????????????:confused::confused:

hybridatsun350
02-01-2009, 11:53 AM
I heard somewhere that the recoil is minimal since most of the powder is burned outside the barrel. Lots of flash and noise though.

I was going to mention that, but you beat me to it! This is the same reason why a 91/30 kicks more than an M44.

Dr. Peter Venkman
02-01-2009, 12:46 PM
you need to wear an ushanka and yell "D" before firing the thing

I'd get one and yell Spinning Piledriver. Then I'd knockout my opponent.

Seesm
02-01-2009, 1:52 PM
Looks cool but woudl that be illegal in california? It is a c&r so it should be ok!! Just my opinion...

:)

Seesm
02-01-2009, 1:53 PM
...A bolt action Krinkov.

It not a krinkov what do you mean?

fusionstar
03-01-2009, 5:03 PM
I was going to mention that, but you beat me to it! This is the same reason why a 91/30 kicks more than an M44.

I beg to differ.

There is a point where the recoil peaks.

I dont know when it happens but the m44 sure kicks harder than the 91/30 and its heavier.

I have both, I have shot both with the same ammo. The m44 is noticeably harder kicking.

nrakid88
03-01-2009, 5:52 PM
Where can i get this I really atually want one haha

EPMAKOB
03-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Where can i get this I really atually want one haha

If you're talking about the first one, there aren't many ones like that out there, so it would cost A LOT of money for one. They were used by the Polish patriots against the Germans. If you're talking about the second picture, I'm pretty sure it's photoshopped.

Spiggy
03-02-2009, 7:38 PM
If you're talking about the first one, there aren't many ones like that out there, so it would cost A LOT of money for one. They were used by the Polish patriots against the Germans. If you're talking about the second picture, I'm pretty sure it's photoshopped.
:D they were also used by all sorts of near-bloc/combloc political insurgency on each other(ukrainians vs. russians, polish vs. russians, russians vs. russians)

The joke "Your rifle has fought wars against itself and won ever time" is very true.

pullnshoot25
03-02-2009, 8:01 PM
Looks cool but woudl that be illegal in california? It is a c&r so it should be ok!! Just my opinion...

:)

Yep, C&R SBR is G2G, no problemo.

nrakid88
03-02-2009, 8:02 PM
Damn, too bad we have stupid laws against turning rifles into pistols or I would pick up a damn Mosin and convert the thing.

mydogsmonkey
03-03-2009, 1:40 AM
man those are some sick guns! bolt action hahaha

Seesm
03-06-2009, 12:08 AM
Can you do that just convert one? Or maybe just keep a eye open for a 50 year old one some converted years ago it should be OK... yes no maybe?

Fate
03-19-2009, 8:30 PM
I beg to differ.

There is a point where the recoil peaks.

I dont know when it happens but the m44 sure kicks harder than the 91/30 and its heavier.

I have both, I have shot both with the same ammo. The m44 is noticeably harder kicking.Sorry, but it's just your imagination due to muzzle blast and flash coupled with a slightly lighter rifle.

Follow the link, scroll to bottom and view Recoil table. Compare M44 and M91/30 and you'll see that scientific facts trump perception. ;)

http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo020.htm

It's the same with any ammo: http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

tankerman
03-22-2009, 7:58 PM
Don't the words "odd" and "Nagant pistol" go together like peanut butter and jelly.

rojocorsa
03-23-2009, 6:25 PM
I jokingly called it a Krinkov. Krinkov is slang for the AKS-74U a compact assault rifle built on an AK 74 receiver. It was originally designed for vehicle crews, etc. Its most distinctive feature is that it is very short.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/aks74u.jpg
So that is why I jokingly called this a Bolt-action "Krinkov."

Knight
03-23-2009, 6:54 PM
I jokingly called it a Krinkov. Krinkov is slang for the AKS-74U

If you want to be technically correct, AKS-74U is "slang" as well. The real type-classification is 5,45 AKSU.

JimmyD
04-14-2009, 1:42 PM
Sorry, but it's just your imagination due to muzzle blast and flash coupled with a slightly lighter rifle.

Follow the link, scroll to bottom and view Recoil table. Compare M44 and M91/30 and you'll see that scientific facts trump perception. ;)

http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo020.htm

It's the same with any ammo: http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm
The M44 is actually heavier than the M91/30 because of the fixed bayonet. 9lbs vs 8 3/4 lbs
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSpec.htm

In my opinion (and the general consensus) is that the M44 does FEEL like it has more kick, whether or not it actually has I don't know. The brain plays a lot of tricks. very interesting that the website shows more recoil energy in the graphs.

Mr.Pickles
04-15-2009, 11:59 PM
I WANT ONE!

can these be made? I would love to go to the range with it xD

InvictusManeo
06-16-2009, 9:46 AM
Sorry to resurrect a recently-cooled corpse of a thread, but I have the same question as Pickles here. I understand that C&R SBRs are legal, but do they have to already be SBRs or can a person cut down a standard C&R rifle legally?

If the SBR part is a challenge, what about OAL laws? A M44 done up Mare's Leg style with a 16" barrel would be pretty sweet, too (in a post-apocalyptic-looking, whiskey-tango-foxtrot kind of way)