Max rounds for semi-auto shotgun?

[spunk2]

Can anyone toss a link from the DoJ website stating what the max number of rounds a semi-auto shotgun can have, please?

I looked. Couldn't find anything.

[Toolfreak66]

I don't believe there is a max. If you are hunting, I know it is 3 shells. If you have a locked or releaseable mag (Siaga 12) it may be 10, but I'm unsure on that one.

[Quiet]

10 rounds max for any semi-auto and pump-action shotgun.

Unlimited for any tube fed lever action shotgun.

If you are hunting, 3 rounds max.
(Don't know the exact F&G Code)



Penal Code 12020
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[Dark&Good]

Looks like HAVING one is not considered an offense?

[JDay]

Having one what???????????????

If you are talking about having a shotgun with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds, that IS an offense. "Quiet" didn't post the relevant code.

There was a discussion about this a while back and the AW law doesn't have a max size for a fixed magazine on a semi-auto shotgun. The only part that mentions a fixed magazine over 10 rounds is this part.

A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

And this part.

A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

[JDay]

Here's the definition of a AW shotgun.

PC 12276.1

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[FS00008]

So if I were to build a Saiga 12 box mag that held say 40 shells, and then put a raddlock on the thing so it wasn't detachable, I'd be technically within the law?

[JDay]

So if I were to build a Saiga 12 box mag that held say 40 shells, and then put a raddlock on the thing so it wasn't detachable, I'd be technically within the law?

No, you can only use "high-capacity" magazines that you lawfully possessed in the state prior to 1/01/2000.

[joemama]

also wouldn't the 10 round limit apply to a pinned mag rifle/shotgun?

[Dark&Good]

Having "any large-capacity magazine". It says "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends" - it doesn't say "owns" or "possesses" or "has"...

[AJAX22]

You can have any sized magazine you want on a semi auto shotgun.

Just buy it from someone who is authorized to sell them.

[JDay]

also wouldn't the 10 round limit apply to a pinned mag rifle/shotgun?

Go read what I posted, a shotgun is not a centerfire rifle.

[tyrist]

So a Saiga 12 with a fixed 20 round drum magazine is legal in california???? When did this happen.

[Maser]

I thought any semi auto shotgun with over 10 rounds was considered a DD. Isn't that why the Striker and Street Sweeper are on the NFA list?

[Quiet]

I thought any semi auto shotgun with over 10 rounds was considered a DD. Isn't that why the Striker and Street Sweeper are on the NFA list?

ATF Ruling 94-1 is why the USAS-12 is a destructive device.
ATF Ruling 94-2 is why the Striker-12/Street Sweeper is a destructive device.

Both ATF Rulings said (simplified version) the USAS-12 and Striker-12/Streetsweeper did not meet the "sporting purpose" definition for importation and therefore are destructive devices.

The reason why the ATF does not rule the Izmash Saiga-12 to be a destructive device is because it's imported into the USA in a "sporting purpose" configuration along with 5 round magazines.
The FUD is if someone converts an Izmash Saiga-12 without complying with the Federal 922(r) and/or use greater than 5 round magazines, ATF could rule that the Izmash Saiga-12 no longer meets the "sporting purpose" definition and be reclassified as a destructive device.

[AJAX22]

So a Saiga 12 with a fixed 20 round drum magazine is legal in california???? When did this happen.

It has always been legal.

The magazines have just not been around.


As a law enforcement officer you can have one if you want. the mags run about 400 bucks right now.

[tyrist]

It has always been legal.

The magazines have just not been around.


As a law enforcement officer you can have one if you want. the mags run about 400 bucks right now.

It won't be considered a DD?

[leverage]

You can get more than 10 shells in a reasonable length tube with these. However, a semi will probably not feed them...

Aguila Minishell Ammunition 12 Gauge
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=255579

[Quiet]

It won't be considered a DD?

Not under current Federal and CA laws.

[Maser]

ATF Ruling 94-1 is why the USAS-12 is a destructive device.
ATF Ruling 94-2 is why the Striker-12/Street Sweeper is a destructive device.

Both ATF Rulings said (simplified version) the USAS-12 and Striker-12/Streetsweeper did not meet the "sporting purpose" definition for importation and therefore are destructive devices.

The reason why the ATF does not rule the Izmash Saiga-12 to be a destructive device is because it's imported into the USA in a "sporting purpose" configuration along with 5 round magazines.
The FUD is if someone converts an Izmash Saiga-12 without complying with the Federal 922(r) and/or use greater than 5 round magazines, ATF could rule that the Izmash Saiga-12 no longer meets the "sporting purpose" definition and be reclassified as a destructive device.

Thanks for the info. I think it's totally stupid that the ATF has to rule what they feel is sporting and what isn't. The Striker would be great for recreational tactical shotgun shooting.

[randy]

Maser looks to me like you know nothing of recreational tactical shotgun shooting.

I've seen people running 15 round tubes on their shotguns. The hardest part is getting the spring rates correct.

[dark45]

It has always been legal.

The magazines have just not been around.


As a law enforcement officer you can have one if you want. the mags run about 400 bucks right now.


PC 12276.1
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

wouldn't a drum be revolving cylinder?

[DedEye]

wouldn't a drum be revolving cylinder?

No. Think of a revolver, then think of a drum magazine. The rounds aren't being fired directly from the cylinder, they're loading into the chamber.

The AW ban is referring to shotguns like the Striker.

[Maser]

Maser looks to me like you know nothing of recreational tactical shotgun shooting.


Considering that is my main form of shotgun shooting discipline other than trap shooting it's safe to say I know plenty about it. Thought about getting that Knoxx drum magazine thing from my Mossberg, but I haven't heard anything good about it.

[tombinghamthegreat]

Can anyone toss a link from the DoJ website stating what the max number of rounds a semi-auto shotgun can have, please?

I looked. Couldn't find anything.

DO not go to the DOJ for legal advise, they are a unreliable source. Go to the penal code. calguns is a far better source of legal advise but the best is a skilled attorney assuming you can trust the attorney;)