Ironchef
01-15-2009, 09:04 AM
Was in a debate yesterday with someone and I felt like I was talking to that gunbroker guy you all destroyed with common sense (highballer?). Anyway, the guy I was talking to lives in Arizona, has every piece of FUD in his head regarding firearms, and believes everything but what is true and lawful.
For example, he believes that his buddy, who "sells AKs all day long for $800" gets them from his California vendor and that they're the good Chinese and Russian ones straight from "over there." He swears they're legit and fully lawful. Laughing I remark, "but surely they've been imported correcty and lawfully and comply with 922(r) having no more than 10 foreign parts out of the defined 16 total parts?" To which I hear crickets and then a sworn belief that his buddy (he then qualifies his buddy by saying he's in the FBI, taught him his CCW class, trains military and federal agents, etc, etc...) is selling the real deal and says they are completely lawful and don't have american parts...blah blah...
Anyway, my question: Is there any way around 922(r) in regards to AK importation and sales, regardless of state?
He then talks about a different FFL buddy of his who he's going to be buying 10 COLT AR15s from and the ones he will buy are short barreled (I assume <16") and have a side folding stock (I confirmed it wasn't a collapsable stock but a side folder), and they were all flat tops with scopes on them and sold in a hard case. I didn't bother asking what price (assuming it'd be around $1500-$2000) but mentioned it was impossible to be an AR since a side folder means it doesn't have a bolt buffer to cycle the BCG (I then explained how the action of an AR works in 3rd grader terms). But he insisted and offered to get me pictures of them.
My question here is...was I wrong? Is there a side folding stock SBR AR15 offering by Colt..or any other AR manufacturer?
We also talked about his friend's mom in a different state buying a gun for her son, then he took it and it was legal to take it home (to another state) because he drove it and didn't mail it... I didn't know what to cite on this one but I told him it was a felony to traffic handguns across state lines..he of course qualified his friend (apollo mission commander, owner of the navy seals, president of 4 countries, god, etc..) as being credible.
What are the rules on buying, giving, and transporting handguns between states..more specifically, mom buying a gun for her son and son taking it home to his state?
Thanks...and yes, I know...but I love this person enough to inform him of the right way to do things and to stop being so bull headed.
Oh, one other thing..it was about open carry. I mentioned how unloaded open carry is lawful here in incorporated cities and he went on to say that if he were a criminal robbing a store or committing a crime, that if he saw someone carrying a gun, he'd pop him first. I told him that law enforcement profiles of criminals show they choose the path of least resistence and most certainly don't just murder someone before they rob a gas station just because they saw someone with a gun. Of course he's a pro and talked about the career criminals he pretended to know and said they'd all just pop the gun toter. I explained opencarry.org to him and how there's no real precedent where that has happened (a guess) and he said "you go ahead and believe those 'blogs' and I'll believe my buddy [qualified as a fbi agent, trainer, ccw instructor, etc. etc...]..and he got pissed and hun up.
Anyway, again, thanks for the citations, examples, and input. I don't want to turn my back..this is an excellent chance for me to represent law and tear down some fud.
For example, he believes that his buddy, who "sells AKs all day long for $800" gets them from his California vendor and that they're the good Chinese and Russian ones straight from "over there." He swears they're legit and fully lawful. Laughing I remark, "but surely they've been imported correcty and lawfully and comply with 922(r) having no more than 10 foreign parts out of the defined 16 total parts?" To which I hear crickets and then a sworn belief that his buddy (he then qualifies his buddy by saying he's in the FBI, taught him his CCW class, trains military and federal agents, etc, etc...) is selling the real deal and says they are completely lawful and don't have american parts...blah blah...
Anyway, my question: Is there any way around 922(r) in regards to AK importation and sales, regardless of state?
He then talks about a different FFL buddy of his who he's going to be buying 10 COLT AR15s from and the ones he will buy are short barreled (I assume <16") and have a side folding stock (I confirmed it wasn't a collapsable stock but a side folder), and they were all flat tops with scopes on them and sold in a hard case. I didn't bother asking what price (assuming it'd be around $1500-$2000) but mentioned it was impossible to be an AR since a side folder means it doesn't have a bolt buffer to cycle the BCG (I then explained how the action of an AR works in 3rd grader terms). But he insisted and offered to get me pictures of them.
My question here is...was I wrong? Is there a side folding stock SBR AR15 offering by Colt..or any other AR manufacturer?
We also talked about his friend's mom in a different state buying a gun for her son, then he took it and it was legal to take it home (to another state) because he drove it and didn't mail it... I didn't know what to cite on this one but I told him it was a felony to traffic handguns across state lines..he of course qualified his friend (apollo mission commander, owner of the navy seals, president of 4 countries, god, etc..) as being credible.
What are the rules on buying, giving, and transporting handguns between states..more specifically, mom buying a gun for her son and son taking it home to his state?
Thanks...and yes, I know...but I love this person enough to inform him of the right way to do things and to stop being so bull headed.
Oh, one other thing..it was about open carry. I mentioned how unloaded open carry is lawful here in incorporated cities and he went on to say that if he were a criminal robbing a store or committing a crime, that if he saw someone carrying a gun, he'd pop him first. I told him that law enforcement profiles of criminals show they choose the path of least resistence and most certainly don't just murder someone before they rob a gas station just because they saw someone with a gun. Of course he's a pro and talked about the career criminals he pretended to know and said they'd all just pop the gun toter. I explained opencarry.org to him and how there's no real precedent where that has happened (a guess) and he said "you go ahead and believe those 'blogs' and I'll believe my buddy [qualified as a fbi agent, trainer, ccw instructor, etc. etc...]..and he got pissed and hun up.
Anyway, again, thanks for the citations, examples, and input. I don't want to turn my back..this is an excellent chance for me to represent law and tear down some fud.