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w55
01-11-2009, 3:50 PM
Has anyone had luck with these? Just been looking at varous safes for a pistol, was wondering how good the ones with the finger print reader are. Thanks

Paul
01-11-2009, 4:33 PM
Tagged.

I've been thinking of getting one too. I use fingerprint scanners at work and some people have a really hard time with them. The other administrator at work will have to try 5-15 times to get his finger to read - mine reads with a half-butt attempt every single time. Something to do with the oils or something on his finger. He tries wiping his finger on his jeans and it doesn't seem to help. It's great fun torturing him with his inability to get the scanner to work.

DirtSailor
01-11-2009, 5:01 PM
Tagged II.

My wife has a HP laptop with the finger scan do-dad. Sometimes it works for me right off the bat, other times it takes a couple of swipes for it to work.

anyracoon
01-11-2009, 5:58 PM
I have had one mounted to the bed frame for a couple of years now. Was a Christmas present from wife & kids. Here is a link: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=431733. They are little on the pricy side but it is nice to keep a loaded firearm secured but ready at all times.

Deal
01-11-2009, 6:24 PM
I have only seen a picture of the one I want for my bedroom. I would probably buy two and install one in my office as well.

It looks very simular to this one with the bio meteric fingerprint reader except that instead of just having shelves it is about half as tall and the gun pops up in a gun holder ready to grab after your finrger print open the safe.

I think they have one and two gun safes in this configuration and still has room at the bottom of the safe for some papers and maybe a couple of boxes of ammo or extra clips. In th bottom when opened it has a very small dim led light that barely highlights the guns features in the dark (this can be turned off or set to bright).

I have been looking in gum mags and shows but can only find other people who say they have seen it but can't remember who makes it or where to find it.

Diabolus
01-11-2009, 6:28 PM
I like combination or electronic.

Here is a good article on biometric security:

Biometric Security Barely Skin-Deep

http://www.pcworld.com/article/103535/biometric_security_barely_skindeep.html

nick
01-11-2009, 6:32 PM
I have a Barska biometric safe. It's not expensive and works like a charm. It opens reliably (haven't had an issue opening it). It stores up to 30 fingerprints.

Satex
01-11-2009, 7:15 PM
This thread should be moved into the safes subforum.
In general, all fingerprint based locks are pretty poor. They offer unreliable operation in combination to demonstrated ease of fingerprint duplication. That technology belongs in the archives of technological achievements.

5150Marcelo
01-11-2009, 7:16 PM
Has anyone had luck with these? Just been looking at varous safes for a pistol, was wondering how good the ones with the finger print reader are. Thanks

Ive had mine for almost a year. Its called a bio-metric lock. Flawless so far!

5150Marcelo
01-11-2009, 7:17 PM
This thread should be moved into the safes subforum.
In general, all fingerprint based locks are pretty poor. They offer unreliable operation in combination to demonstrated ease of fingerprint duplication. That technology belongs in the archives of technological achievements.

FUD

The new bio-metric locks can tell a duplicate, from the authentic

56Chevy
01-11-2009, 7:57 PM
They have a system like that at Universal Studios for locking your stuff up when going on certain rides. The girl had to unlock my locker manually. Hopefully those safes use better technology than whatever they were using 2 1/2 years ago.

nobs11
01-11-2009, 8:18 PM
FUD

The new bio-metric locks can tell a duplicate, from the authentic

Yep. Modern locks are way better. Many IT infrastructure setups use these to protect several thousand dollars worth of equipment.

JDay
01-11-2009, 9:11 PM
A combination safe is better, you don't have to worry about batteries going dead or the power going out and you can put the first two numbers in advance so you only have to do a quick turn of the dial when needed. Its also quite easy to lift someones print and make a fake fingerprint.

Deal
01-11-2009, 9:12 PM
Judging by the direction of this thread I appears no one here has any leads on where I might find the bio metric safe I described in my earlier posts?

nick
01-11-2009, 9:17 PM
Yep. Modern locks are way better. Many IT infrastructure setups use these to protect several thousand dollars worth of equipment.

The datacenter that hosts some of my company's servers uses fingerprint scanners. They're reliable.

JDay
01-11-2009, 9:19 PM
I like combination or electronic.

Here is a good article on biometric security:

Biometric Security Barely Skin-Deep

http://www.pcworld.com/article/103535/biometric_security_barely_skindeep.html

Good security requires three things, something you are, something you have and something you know.

Deadred7o7
01-11-2009, 9:23 PM
I just got this one for X-mass and got it up and running today.

http://www.adgsports.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=106&products_id=467

JDay
01-11-2009, 9:23 PM
FUD

The new bio-metric locks can tell a duplicate, from the authentic

Not true, they may be able to tell some fakes but you can still fool them. And the fingerprint scanners on these safes aren't going to check body temp, conductivity and swipe speed. These are all things you need to have checked to ensure the print being scanned is on the owners finger.

JDay
01-11-2009, 9:24 PM
Yep. Modern locks are way better. Many IT infrastructure setups use these to protect several thousand dollars worth of equipment.

Have you ever been in a data center? There is much more security than just fingerprint scanners and access cards. And you're usually escorted everywhere you go by armed guards.

what2be
01-14-2009, 7:57 PM
Got mine from brownell's, its not bad. They have a bigger version out now. The name of the company is Sequiam. Their website is

http://www.sequiam.com//products/index.php

I have the biobox, which I belive may be discontinued. It works good, but my concern is if i was involved in a home invasion robbery, i might be a bit late on the trigger. I timed it, and you need to press the button, swipe your finger, then wait for the motor to unlock the box. Then lift the lid up and grab your gun. Total time is about 6 seconds. You can decide if thats acceptable or not.

My gun safe is in my bedroom, so if i heard something, jumped out of bed, turned the light on so i could see the keypad on my safe, put the 6 digit combo in my safe, pulled the handle to unlock it and swing the door open, grab a gun, i dunno, maybe 10 seconds?

Might want to look into the biovault. Its bigger, and I almost bought it, but the size put me off. I wanted something to go on my nightstand, and the biobox works find. Downside is you need a smaller handgun. I have a sig 239 in it atm. A full size 1911 aint gonna fit.

Suvorov
01-14-2009, 8:52 PM
I have a basic Sentry biometric safe with keypad backup. This is probably on of the more basic and cheep safe of this type on the market. The finger print scan works OK but it is far from 100% reliable. I'd say the actual figure is more around 80%. It works very well with clean and dry hands but if you have water, dirt, nacho cheese, or the like on your hands it is not real reliable.

nobs11
01-14-2009, 9:09 PM
Have you ever been in a data center? There is much more security than just fingerprint scanners and access cards. And you're usually escorted everywhere you go by armed guards.

Yes. I have. The pat down, US passport only kinds. That is all I can say :)

Capt. Speirs
01-14-2009, 9:30 PM
I have a Barska biometric safe. It's not expensive and works like a charm. It opens reliably (haven't had an issue opening it). It stores up to 30 fingerprints.

Bag of Gummy Bears will do the same, lol.

Paul
01-14-2009, 10:04 PM
I learned of the Gummy Bear attact at Black Hat/Def Con 13 a few years ago. If I've ticked off someone so much that they break into my house, grab the correct fingerprint, pop the thing into their laptop with Photoshop waiting, enhance and invert the thing, print out a foil transfer, mash the Gummy Bear to open my safe ... then I've really ticked off the wrong people.

It would be a heck of a lot easier to operate cold chisel and a 2 pound maul. These things are make of 10/14 gauge steel and would be simple enough to pop open with the right blade and a hammer.

5150Marcelo
01-14-2009, 10:07 PM
Homeland Security . com
http://www.homelandsafes.com/images/7260ddburgundy%20002.jpg

NeoWeird
01-14-2009, 10:22 PM
In my opinion, guns in the home belong in two places:

1. Locked up in a GOOD quality safe
2. Locked and loaded ready to go and at your side at all times

A 'quick open' safe is a poor example of both. If you're not using the gun for defense it needs to be locked in something that would require SERIOUS tools to get out, and if you're planning to use it in an emergency and it's in ANY safe it's already defeated the purpose.

A quick open safe is just another thing standing between you and defending yourself that can potentially fail and make matters worse.

Of course I don't have kids and don't let people into my house to be near my guns, which isn't always the case.

Deadred7o7
01-14-2009, 11:05 PM
In my opinion, guns in the home belong in two places:

1. Locked up in a GOOD quality safe
2. Locked and loaded ready to go and at your side at all times

A 'quick open' safe is a poor example of both. If you're not using the gun for defense it needs to be locked in something that would require SERIOUS tools to get out, and if you're planning to use it in an emergency and it's in ANY safe it's already defeated the purpose.

A quick open safe is just another thing standing between you and defending yourself that can potentially fail and make matters worse.

Of course I don't have kids and don't let people into my house to be near my guns, which isn't always the case.

I see your point but I have a 2 year old running about the house so I went with the quick open safe. Its a choise that I had to make and I just dont see any other way.

Vectrexer
01-15-2009, 12:24 AM
Have the GunVault Bio 2000 for about Year and half. Reads my prints adequately. Has trouble with my wifes' printsd since her fingers are much smoother than mine.

If I have it do over again I would buy the standard combo safe. And in fact I do have it to do over again since I am buying my wife a safe. She is getting the combo model.

DirtSailor
01-15-2009, 4:34 PM
Homeland Security . com
http://www.homelandsafes.com/images/7260ddburgundy%20002.jpg

:drool5:

I don't really want the safe, just enough guns for fill them.

what2be
01-20-2009, 9:08 PM
I see your point but I have a 2 year old running about the house so I went with the quick open safe. Its a choise that I had to make and I just dont see any other way.

Same issue here, got a 3 yo and a 5 yo, and prior to them , i always had it out on my nighstand loaded and ready. Now that I have to be concerned about children getting their hands on them, I keep everything locked, and no rounds in the chamber, just the mags.

1911su16b870
01-20-2009, 10:22 PM
My experience here regarding portable safes:

Biometric, do not reliably open each and every time you place your finger on the device to open it. Make sure you have a secondary way (key) to get into it if the print reader doesn't work the first 3 to 4 times you try to get into it.

Electronic push button, work reasonably well, make sure you punch in the right code the first time. Batteries run out. Its a drag they default to amaster code when the batteries run low or out, but that may not be a bad thing.

Mechanical push button (i.e. the old Amsec), work reasonably well, again make sure you punch in the right code the first time, and that a button was not inadvertently pushed prior to you punching in your open code. Then you need to reset and re-push in the code to open it.

Overall, for fastest reliable access, I'd say the electronic pushbutton with regulary (yearly) changed batteries.