View Full Version : Who made the Clayco at issue in Harrott?

01-07-2009, 7:39 AM
I heard one theory that the ultimate problem with it was that it was a "Made in China" product. This was used to call it a "banned weapon."

For those of us with RAA Saigas, due to they're being made by Izhmash (just like Kalishnikov USA Saigas), is there a parallel that could be drawn and used in unhelpful ways?

01-07-2009, 7:49 AM

Made In China

is what's listed on the DOJ AW list.

01-07-2009, 8:05 AM
I copied this:
"The prefixes on the serial numbers to denote the date of import was not required on rifles imported before 1989. This is a requirement on post ban rifles.
Clayco never manufactured anything they were a importer of Chinese rifles and ammo.
Clayco Sports LTD.
Clay Center,Kansas
The tiny ridges are machining marks left from the barrel being turned in a lathe. If you look at a AK rifle you will notice the barrel is different diameters between the receiver,rear sight,gas block,front sight,and the end. It is progressively smaller in diameter from the receiver to the end of the barrel.
On all most all Chinese rifles the last 4 or 5 digits of the serial number was stamped on the receiver cover,bolt carrier, and bolt. The number was either stamped on the under side of the gas tube or done with a electric pencil.

in Clay City,Kansas"

from this site:


The name "Clayco" is not on the list, so we have to trace back to the manufacturer (Made in China). Moreover, Clayco appears to be the importer of the gun, at least according the the poster I quoted above.

So here's the dilemma: if the problem for Harrott was the fact that the gun, while named "Clayco AKS", was made ("make") by "Made in China", and was really called the "AKS", how does one get around the fact that Izhmash is the actual manufacturer of the original AK-47, the Kalshinkov USA Hunter/Saiga, and of the RAA Saiga?

01-07-2009, 8:56 AM
Harrott (roughly) aid the rifle involved should be examined to determine if it was an "AK-47".

Note that, in general (except for specific general "AK47" marking regardless of make) the make is what the gunshop/user/buyer thinks it is. Harrott is about clarity of listing. 'Make' is not necessarily 'manufacturer'. The Kalashinkov USA Saiga rifles were banned by that make. (The box, warranty card, etc all said Kalashinkov USA on 'em). The DOJ was also about to ban EAA Saigas in early 2006, we have their internal memo. Someone buying an RAAC or Arsenal Saiga can legitmately say that's a different make/brand, he does not have to delve down into details of how it originated.