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macentyre
12-26-2008, 11:38 PM
What the hell is wrong with people...???

Did you hear about this tonight?....what a freakin nut! No wonder California has such crazy gun laws now...its cause of dumb****s like this.

These are the damn idiots that have been ruining it for all of us who just like shooting as a sport and want to defend our families from bastards like this. I hope he burns in hell!

Pray for his other family members who now have this memory to deal with for the rest of their lives....

Mac

s2000news
12-26-2008, 11:40 PM
He would have done all that with his flame thrower as well.

Its not the gun.... its the shooter.

Vinz
12-26-2008, 11:44 PM
...another one. Or are you talking about that crazy Santa shooting?

Worlds going to hell.....
vinz

Ironman
12-26-2008, 11:46 PM
If there's a gun to depend that house, casualties could have been less or prevented.

macentyre
12-26-2008, 11:59 PM
yep...its definitely one of those "should a could a would a" cases...maybe more people will consider firearms for their households now for self defense.

Mac

thegratenate
12-27-2008, 9:04 AM
I bet that the coward wouldn't have even set foot in a house that was known to be protected by a firearm, or 12.

I bet that all it would have taken to spook him would have been a nice wall hanger over the mantle.

yellowfin
12-27-2008, 9:26 AM
I suppose people would find this less disturbing if he had used a bomb, a garden tool, or poison? Why "gunman"?

What I for one find equally disturbing about this is how the press makes money off this. More violence, more carnage, more profits and attention. Almost as if they cheer it on. Why is it never demanded that they lay off out of respect for the family, to curb their bloodlust for a while?

uzigalil
12-27-2008, 9:49 AM
Police found what they call a bomb factory at his house, he had almost a dozen pipe bombs in the manufacturing process but not yet completed. If he didn't have guns he would have done something else, but this guy had been planning this since at least September, when he ordered his Santa suit.

HowardW56
12-27-2008, 10:16 AM
Sick SOB...

He got better than he deserved...

11Z50
12-27-2008, 11:08 AM
Sounds like this guy executed a well-thought out plan with extreme prejudice. Don't get me wrong, this is a reprehensible act and the POS should burn in hell. Having said that, the criminal mind sometimes fascinates me. This homicidal maniac, motivated by what he perceived as an unfair divorce, was a very educated man. Being an electrical engineer, he certainly knew how to make things work.

According to news reports, the suspect had thoroughly planned the attack, to include contingencies. He was well-armed, and apparently proficient with weapons. The improvised device he used to torch the house was quite deadly, and in fact was his undoing. I don't know how he intended to ignite the deadly fuel vapors he filled the house with, but the police think a pilot light or other source ignited the vapors, severely burning the suspect. I don't know if you've seen 3rd degree burns before, but for a person to have them on both arms, chances are they ain't going to make it. Ironically, the Santa Suit melted into the suspect's arms, making death from infection a near certainty.

Although he had plastic wrapped several thousand dollars and an airline ticket to Canada to his leg, covered by a girdle, no doubt he knew he could not flee in the condition he was in. Even though he made a clean get away from the scene, he knew he was done for because of the severe burns.

The funny thing about severe burns is that there is little pain within the first few hours, and unaffected tissues still work fine. The suspect must have known the clock was ticking, and here's where the contingency plan comes in. He went to his brother's house (apparently not at home) to hide for a short time and end his life on his own terms. Setting the IED in his rental car was a last homicidal act, since he knew the police would track him down soon. I'm glad nobody was injured by the IED and this maniac blew his own brains out before he could kill anybody else. Imagine what would have happened if he'd got caught up in a DUI checkpoint!

IMHO, had the victims been armed and "switched on" this tragedy could have at least been minimized. Sadly, the victims were complacent, thinking an attack over the holidays wouldn't happen. When the poor little girl opened the door, the suspect was able to enter and begin his rampage. Had an armed adult answered to door, this incident may have stopped on the front doorstep.

As for more gun control, guns are no more responsible for this incident than is the California family law system. Of course, I don't know the details, but I guess the suspect felt he wasn't treated fairly in his divorce.

Paladin
12-27-2008, 11:33 AM
"The 'thin blue line' is what they drawn around corpses at crime scenes." :mad:

Now tell me, wouldn't that make for a good sig line? :cool:

Justin562
12-27-2008, 11:45 AM
It was 17 grand He had taped on I heard...
It kinda fascinates me to know more details about the guys back round... Im wondering If he perhaps ever was a member on here?j/k banned i'd hope
I saw on the t.v.,the Police walking out with a benelli shotgun box out of the Crazy guys house.He must of had a nice collection of guns. I Hope he burned in horrible pain before he went to hell! What a shame, It just make me sick thinking about it...Terrible:(

Paladin
12-27-2008, 11:55 AM
I just went and read the linked Yahoo news article and two parts of it stood out:

1) Armed with four guns, wearing the Santa suit and carrying a fuel-spraying device wrapped like a present, Pardo showed up at the home at 11:30 p.m. Wednesday as a party of about 25 people was under way.

Raney said Pardo fired a shot into the face of an 8-year-old girl who answered the door and at first fired indiscriminately, then apparently targeted relatives of his ex-wife as other guests fled.

25 people are far more than the ones he killed. If only one of them was packing (and sober), many lives could have been saved. :mad:

2) A search of Pardo's own home in Montrose, a suburb northeast of Los Angeles, turned up racing fuel, five empty boxes for high-powered semi-automatic handguns and two high-powered shotguns.

I've NEVER heard/read the MSM describe any firearm as "low powered." If, in their opinion, they are all "high powered," mentioning that fact is unnecessary and redundant and only put there to make people fear guns -- a tactic of tabloids exploiting a tragedy and beneath news reporting and journalism.

mecam
12-27-2008, 12:04 PM
The Bradys are on top of this story.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=1095

11Z50
12-27-2008, 1:51 PM
While the anti-gun crowd will try to get some mileage out of this incident, most people now don't really blame guns for the crime. Many, although not really pro-gun will feel the need to arm themselves for protection.

I've seen many domestic issues get crazy fast. I know several people, including one of my daughter, that have been stalked and terrorized by a jilted lover. Being just a bit paranoid is sometimes a good thing, since one never really knows what a person is capable of. In any domestic or civil issue, there is always the potential for a player to feel cheated and believe there is nothing more to lose. While unequivocally it does not justify such an attack, anybody that's been on the losing end of a family law case knows the feelings of helplessness and outrage.

In this case, the suspect appeared to want to get even for a perceived wrong in a divorce case. While he probably exhibited no evidence of being violent, he premeditated and planned this multiple murder as an act of terror and revenge. A person who is capable of such an act is a true sociopath.

gotgunz
12-27-2008, 9:55 PM
I bet his ex wished she had given up the dog and the expensive ring he bought her.

He was sick but you must admit that his revenge was monumental.

N6ATF
12-27-2008, 10:45 PM
:dupe:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=140493&highlight=santa

Looks like someone didn't...
:xeno:

rayra
12-27-2008, 11:07 PM
What the hell is wrong with people...???

Did you hear about this tonight?....what a freakin nut! No wonder California has such crazy gun laws now...its cause of dumb****s like this.

These are the damn idiots that have been ruining it for all of us who just like shooting as a sport and want to defend our families from bastards like this. I hope he burns in hell!

Pray for his other family members who now have this memory to deal with for the rest of their lives....

Mac

ah horse****. Psychotics like this shooter are the EXCUSE that Democrat-Socialist authoritarians use to further restrict our rights. NOT the reason, the EXCUSE.

Meplat
12-28-2008, 8:57 PM
How ****ing nuts do you have to be to shoot an 8yo girl in the face? She is the personification of innocence. I think everyone should be introduced to hunting as a child. Once you see what bullets do to an animal will think twice about doing that to a human being!:eek: