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nrakid88
12-18-2008, 11:38 AM
I want to get a 10/22 so i can have all the evil features my ar-15 can't. So I want a folding stock witha pistol grip and a 16 inch barrel... but from my calculations, ruger says oal with 16 bbl is 34, Choate says that there stock shortens it 12 inches, so that makes it 22 inches OAL, does that make it an SBR? If so could I get the $200 tax stamp and it would be cal legal? Or Does cali not care, its not getting in here? Sorry if its a dumb question I just don't know how the laws relate to rimfires, and if the short OAL makes it a SBR even though the barrel is 16 inches. Thanks guys

ar15barrels
12-18-2008, 11:47 AM
Federal SBR length is 26" extended.
CA SBR length is 26" collapsed or folded.

BroncoBob
12-18-2008, 12:01 PM
Wait for the Archangel stock from Promags to come out.

Spyder
12-18-2008, 12:13 PM
If you want to build a 10/22, do it. But from reading your post I get the feel that you don't realize you can build a rimfire .22 AR-15 WITH all the evil features you want!

nrakid88
12-18-2008, 1:17 PM
I figure the 10/22 will be a LOT cheaper than another ar-15 thats dedicatede 22lr

a1fabweld
12-18-2008, 1:54 PM
How about pick up a GSG-5? That way you have "evil" & .22. Probably be close in price compared to a tricked out 10/22.

Spyder
12-18-2008, 6:26 PM
Ha, have you looked at what it costs to build a really sweet 10/22? I could easily put together a dedicated .22lr upper for an AR for half of what a lot of people have in their 10/22, and for the same as I've got in my 10/22. :)

I'm not trying to sway your decision, just throwing some more options out there to make it more complicated.

You wouldn't have to build a complete rifle...you could just get the upper and, if you want to be really budget conscious, take the evil stuff to the range with you and add it to the lower after you put the upper on. PIA, but doable. :) OR, an excuse to build another AR!

CSACANNONEER
12-18-2008, 6:41 PM
How about pick up a GSG-5? That way you have "evil" & .22. Probably be close in price compared to a tricked out 10/22.

A "tricked out" 10-22 can run over well over $1000. My GSG5 was $600 with a collapable stock.

Seesm
12-18-2008, 7:00 PM
Speaking of this does anyone have a 22 cal AR for sale...Pm if so... SOrry to thread jack.... So if I understand it right BECAUSE its a rim fire it can be even shorter than Cal law for the regular barrelled AR? Thanks

:)

BroncoBob
12-18-2008, 7:10 PM
Speaking of this does anyone have a 22 cal AR for sale...Pm if so... SOrry to thread jack.... So if I understand it right BECAUSE its a rim fire it can be even shorter than Cal law for the regular barrelled AR? Thanks

:)


I would suggest you go to the WTB thread and re-ask your question.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=106

leelaw
12-18-2008, 7:14 PM
Speaking of this does anyone have a 22 cal AR for sale...Pm if so... SOrry to thread jack.... So if I understand it right BECAUSE its a rim fire it can be even shorter than Cal law for the regular barrelled AR? Thanks

:)

Rimfire may be 26" MINIMUM. Semi-auto centerfire must be 30" MINIMUM.

nrakid88
12-19-2008, 2:43 AM
Hm, thanks for making things more complicated guys. I'd rather think hard before pulling the trigger than think "what was I thinking" afterwards. I really like the looks of a short side folder, I think i can do it legally with like 18"bbl, but I will see. Are there any options for side folding buttstocks for a dedicated .22lr upper?

Justin Brimm
12-19-2008, 4:51 AM
Am I understanding this right? Rimfire rifles are not subject to California assault weapon statutes? Last I read over the laws, the only exception for rimfire rifles was you were allowed to have tube feeds with a capacity higher than 10 cartridges.

If that's really the case then hell if I'm not going to take full advantage of it!

CSACANNONEER
12-19-2008, 6:03 AM
Am I understanding this right? Rimfire rifles are not subject to California assault weapon statutes? Last I read over the laws, the only exception for rimfire rifles was you were allowed to have tube feeds with a capacity higher than 10 cartridges.

If that's really the case then hell if I'm not going to take full advantage of it!

Yep, there is no such thing as a rimfire rifle AW in CA. Just be careful not to create a SBR.

Justin Brimm
12-19-2008, 6:37 AM
Not that I don't believe it, but would someone point me to where the law states this? I've literally read over the state's gun laws in their entirety several times in the past and I have never seen this (and most likely I've simply overlooked it).

ar15barrels
12-19-2008, 8:23 AM
Not that I don't believe it, but would someone point me to where the law states this?

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding PC section 12276, assault weapon shall also
mean the following: Rifles
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine CCR 11 5469 (a) and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip CCR 11 5469 (d)
(B) A thumbhole stock. CCR 11 5469 (e)
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor. CCR 11 5469 (b)
(F) A forward pistol grip. CCR 11 5469 (c)
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less
than 30 inches.

If your rifle is a rimfire, it's difficult to be a centerfire too. ;)

ohsmily
12-19-2008, 9:29 AM
Not that I don't believe it, but would someone point me to where the law states this? I've literally read over the state's gun laws in their entirety several times in the past and I have never seen this (and most likely I've simply overlooked it).

Really? Then how the hell did you miss it?

Justin Brimm
12-19-2008, 5:28 PM
Really? Then how the hell did you miss it?

Simply overlooked I suppose. Overlooking other things is the only reason I've read that garbled mess more than once (my soul dies a little every time I look at it).

TZL
12-19-2008, 5:48 PM
I have a 10/22 with bultler creek folding stock, using the stock ruger 18" barrel I am at 27.25" OAL

a 16" barrel would put me under, but nothing a muzzle break can't fix...

as of note, i much prefer my gsg-5 to my tacti-cool 10/22....so i'm going to turn the 10/22 into a tack driver and keep the gsg-5 for looking tacti-cool

domokun
12-19-2008, 5:48 PM
I've spent over $300 tricking out my 10/22 so it's a sidefolder with a OAL of at least 26" with the stock folded. This doesn't include the initial cost to purchase the rifle! :eek:

This is what I'm currently running:

1. Ruger 10/22 non-stainless steel rifle.
2. Butler Creek side-folding stock.
3. Volquartsen TG2000 trigger group.

Spyder
12-20-2008, 12:42 AM
I've spent over $300 tricking out my 10/22 so it's a sidefolder with a OAL of at least 26" with the stock folded. This doesn't include the initial cost to purchase the rifle! :eek:

This is what I'm currently running:

1. Ruger 10/22 non-stainless steel rifle.
2. Butler Creek side-folding stock.
3. Volquartsen TG2000 trigger group.

Quick thread jack! What do you think of the Volq trigger group? I've been wanting to do some more work on my 10/22 and the trigger is the next thing I'm going to upgrade...but not sure what to run. I REALLY like their snake fluted barrels, but can't bring myself to spend that much on one!

nrakid88
12-23-2008, 1:14 PM
Sweet, so you guys are runnng the butler creek setup with a stock barrel and still meeting OAL requirments! Thats exactly what I was praying for so I just have to buy the gun and the stock and I am good. Just have to buy a surefire for my shotgun first then I'll be on this project.