Unarmed Intruder in Your House, Threatening and is a Minor

[4 Brigada]

Thats the worst case scenario for me. Opinions?

[steadyrock]

Minor or not makes no difference to the law AFAIK...only in your own conscience. The real issue is unarmed.

Are you strong? Answer him with the muzzle of a longarm. If he doesn't present his own arm or throw his hands up, and is still advancing, you could always beat his a** with the buttstock.

[sorensen440]

depends on if I feel my life is in danger

[freakshow10mm]

Smoke 'em.

[M. Sage]

Minor or not makes no difference to the law AFAIK...only in your own conscience. The real issue is unarmed.

Unarmed doesn't make much of a difference, especially in your own home or apartment.

[Greg-Dawg®]

To prevent a worse case scenario: Training and constant training.

[saki302]

Extra cash? Pick up a taser and watch him do the 'wiggle' :D

-Dave

[AKman]

I know some minors that can easily kick my arse. If I feel threatened and in fear of my life, same answer as the other threads. If its my neighbor's kids, they get hog-tied and delivered back to their parents with a stern warning.

[kurac]

You can chain him up and make him sleep in the fireplace

[H2H]

left right hook uppercut

[Blackwater OPS]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

[4 Brigada]

Extra cash? Pick up a taser and watch him do the 'wiggle'


Man thats sick , but I like the way you think:D

left right hook uppercut

There are 16 year old that weigh in at 250 and over 6 feet tall, dont think I want to hand to hand one of them. Cause it wouldnt be with out damage to me, Im a little rusty on the Jet Li style ,my fu isnt that strong :D

[rayra]

Thats the worst case scenario for me. Opinions?


Another stupid 'qualified' scenario and wtf possible difference does it make. They're a criminal, behaving in a criminal manner and if they threaten or menace you, you STOP them. And if they continue their attack, you STOP them again right up to and beyond the point that it ends THEIR life instead of yours.

Seriously - has the will for survival been so thoroughly indoctrinated out of the West?

[Theseus]

Another stupid 'qualified' scenario and wtf possible difference does it make. They're a criminal, behaving in a criminal manner and if they threaten or menace you, you STOP them. And if they continue their attack, you STOP them again right up to and beyond the point that it ends THEIR life instead of yours.

Seriously - has the will for survival been so thoroughly indoctrinated out of the West?

No, I have a strong survival instinct. . . I will resist the temptation to enact a beat down until such time that there is no other viable option to survive. When that line is crossed however I will act with speed and precision. . . Well....my level of speed and my level of precision....

If it is a minor I will likely pull a Clint Eastwood on him and make him help me move a refrigerator...

[4 Brigada]

Oh yeah, its real stupid question, cause once he is dead in your living room, and you feel al goody inside then you will have to deal with the legal system how their momi will show that they were pilars of the community and you with your gun training overreacted ect ect ect. Sorry I was in the Air Force and thinking in not only encouraged, It is mandatory

[taloft]

"Verify age of criminals prior to shooting."

I must have been absent the day they taught that course.;) I've friends that were 6'5" and well over 200 lbs. at age 17. My friend Dan was 6'4" and had a full beard at 16. Guess who got the job of buying the beer on friday night.:p My friend Lee is Samoan and the 14 year olds in his family are HUGE! The point is unless they are prepubescent it can be hard to determine actual age.

Once again, how do you know they are unarmed? Did you poll them? What if while closing with them they grab the nearest pointy/sharp object and brain you with it? It isn't my job to roll around on the ground with criminals. I leave that task to the professionals.

Now if you see a prepubescent girl in a green uniform with a box of cookies, shoot immediately, take no chances! They are absolutely deadly.....

.....to my waist line.:D (for the humor impaired) that last was a joke.

[MFortie]

No such thing as 'unarmed' -- unless they literally don't have any arms.

Hands can be deadly weapons as can pencils, rolled up magazines, or Girl Scout cookies! (OK, maybe not the cookies...)

[M. Sage]

Hands can be deadly weapons as can pencils, rolled up magazines, or Girl Scout cookies! (OK, maybe not the cookies...)

In quantity, cookies kill!

[xxxx]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

+1 - That's not the worse case, the worst case is how you deal with it then the DA checking about what you wrote online.

[larryb]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

Well its not suprising when you have almost 4600 posts and spend a good portion of your day here unlike many of us. If you do not have anything positive to contribute why do you and a few others post negative/unnecessary comments to these types of threads??

[Fate]

Tell him "son, you better pick yourself a weapon, 'cuz you're gonna need all the help you can git." :D

[Captain Evilstomper]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

no.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The question is how did that unarmed intruder get into my house? If they broke in, the penal code specifically states I would have a reasonable fear for my life and lethal force would be justified. So if that is the case, I would take appropriate action.

If they walk through my unlocked door, then I might not be able to articulate a reasonable fear for my life.

This thread is pretty lame. I would think something worse is having the cops bust into my house, my thinking I am getting home invaded, and a cop dieing and me having to fight that battle in court. That is much worse than some dumb kid getting smoked because in my county, people are going to back up the home owner, unless maybe it was a cop.

[HowardW56]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

NOPE I'm sick of em.... :puke:

[-hanko]

Well its not suprising when you have almost 4600 posts and spend a good portion of your day here unlike many of us. If you do not have anything positive to contribute why do you and a few others post negative/unnecessary comments to these types of threads??
Because they're generally stupid, in the majority of cases. If I were limited in time to log onto calguns.net, I'd at least try to post something informational or ask a REAL question instead of robbing the rest of the members of their time in reading this crap...

As to the original post, how do you know the actor is a minor??

How do you tell he's unarmed??

If you're in fear of grave physical danger and/or death, you do what you need to do to stop the theat.

It's the same answer all the time...shoot him in the right side of the chest with your .22, sprinkle powdered sugar on his face, put a pellet pistol in his hand, drag him out of the house, call your attorney, call the cops, don't talk to anybody but the lawyer, yada, yada.

Even though I don't have almost 4600 posts, I too am effing sick of stupid 'what-if' threads. I say ban 'what-if' posters:eek:

-hanko

[H2H]

kick to the balls...does not matter how big they are..they will fall.

Man thats sick , but I like the way you think:D



There are 16 year old that weigh in at 250 and over 6 feet tall, dont think I want to hand to hand one of them. Cause it wouldnt be with out damage to me, Im a little rusty on the Jet Li style ,my fu isnt that strong :D

[berto]

Minor covers a lot of ground.

Most won't use deadly force on an unarmed six year old. A large 12 year old might be a different story.

Bottom line is it takes serious effort to get into most homes in the dead of the night and anybody doing so deserves what they get.

[tenpercentfirearms]

kick to the balls...does not matter how big they are..they will fall.

There are some people who don't find kicking people in the balls funny.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=120489&highlight=nads

[Kid Stanislaus]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?


Stop reading them.

[M. Sage]

kick to the balls...does not matter how big they are..they will fall.

Until it fails to work. I've actually had that happen. It's downright frightening.

[Trojan Bayonet]

If anyone breaks in to my house, they deserve to be shot.

I've confronted intruders in my house, and they nearly killed me with an SUV in my driveway. You don't know what they're carrying. They only get one audible warning: a) racking of a shotgun b) slide of my pistol going forward or c) bolt carrier on any of my rifles going forward.

[Kid Stanislaus]

NOPE I'm sick of em.... :puke:



Don't read'm.

[Kid Stanislaus]

Because they're generally stupid, in the majority of cases. If I were limited in time to log onto calguns.net, I'd at least try to post something informational or ask a REAL question instead of robbing the rest of the members of their time in reading this crap...
-hanko


OK pal, here's your chance. Post something informational or ask a REAL question. We're all waiting with baited breath.

[Gryff]

I thought he was armed. Oops.

[Hanniballs]

Dead

[Librarian]

OK pal, here's your chance. Post something informational or ask a REAL question. We're all waiting with baited breath.

OK.

You can't tell if a home invader is a juvenile. There's no time to ID them, and even if there were, many juveniles don't have ID.

If you think you can tell the invader is a juvenile,it has to be by physical stature, and you either have a 12-year-old boy or a young woman, who may or may not be a juvenile.

And it does not matter whether the invader is a juvenile; the appropriate response to a home invader, if you want to be very generous, is 'leave now, or die'. The law does not require the home defender to be generous.

You cannot tell whether an intruder is unarmed until you overcome them and search them. Attempting to do so is dangerous for the defender.

In short, the original conditions specified cannot be verified, and the proper response is not dependent on that information.

And that's bated (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bated) breath. If you want to eat worms or minnows, that's up to you, but it doesn't seem to be contributing to reasoning power.

[Gnome]

Minor makes no difference legally. Minors have proven themselves to be just as capable of killing as an adult is. It's probablly a moral issue as steadyrock said. Too many unknowns in this scenario.

[rtlltj]

Yes!!!! another would you shoot an intruder thread...

[JDoe]

Am I the only one tired of these threads?

You can't be tired of these threads. You took the time to post here and will likely come back to make more less than helpful comments.

Others like myself who are ignorant regarding the ways of self defense and etc. will come back to these threads to learn something or have something we've already learned reinforced.

[BB63Squid]

I put em' in a "Time-out"

[JDoe]

Another stupid 'qualified' scenario and wtf possible difference does it make. They're a criminal, behaving in a criminal manner and if they threaten or menace you, you STOP them. And if they continue their attack, you STOP them again right up to and beyond the point that it ends THEIR life instead of yours.

Seriously - has the will for survival been so thoroughly indoctrinated out of the West?

So who pee'd in your corn flakes this morning? Why is it stupid? I know you are an expert because you have a tacticool avatar and everything but some of us poor dumb ignorant slobs don't have a friggin clue when it comes to some aspects of what is legal in self defense. Maybe it's time you let us have our little discussions so we can learn and one day be as knowledgeable as you think you are.

[Artery]

It's the same answer all the time...shoot him in the right side of the chest with your .22, sprinkle powdered sugar on his face, put a pellet pistol in his hand, drag him out of the house, call your attorney, call the cops, don't talk to anybody but the lawyer, yada, yada.
-hanko

Powdered sugar?

[JDoe]

Originally Posted by larryb View Post
Well its not suprising when you have almost 4600 posts and spend a good portion of your day here unlike many of us. If you do not have anything positive to contribute why do you and a few others post negative/unnecessary comments to these types of threads??Because they're generally stupid, in the majority of cases. If I were limited in time to log onto calguns.net, I'd at least try to post something informational or ask a REAL question instead of robbing the rest of the members of their time in reading this crap...

If a posters time was so valuable he wouldn't spend it typing posts like the one your wrote above. He would read the first line or two of the original post, decide whether or not to read further and if he didn't want to read more he would just skip the post.

Dude, if you don't like the original post then move onto something you do like but don't crap all over other peoples threads.

[MakeItSo]

Boring threads.
Why did I post to it ,BECAUSE I CAN!
I agree with Blackwater

[Gryff]

If a posters time was so valuable he wouldn't spend it typing posts like the one your wrote above. He would read the first line or two of the original post, decide whether or not to read further and if he didn't want to read more he would just skip the post.

Dude, if you don't like the original post then move onto something you do like but don't crap all over other peoples threads.

+1 on that

[Max-the-Silent]

How did the minor in question gain entry?

Broke down the door, broke out the window, knowingly entered an occupied domicle? Refuses your order to stop or exit your property?

The use of force can only be proportional to the threat faced, but breaking into an occupied domicle is a felony, and even an unarmed juvenile threatening violence under that circumstance could be fair game for lethal force - criminally - and you can expect to be sued civilly if the surviving family members know how to read a phone book and can dial a phone.

[Mikeb]

I think you should definitely card anyone that invades your house. Ya' know that if you go around shooting children the Brady bunch will spin it into their statistics...
Take care
Mike

[-hanko]

OK pal, here's your chance. Post something informational or ask a REAL question. We're all waiting with baited breath.
Thanks, pal.:sleeping:

Facing an intruder, are you fearful of your safety or that of anyone else in the house??

Do you have the means to stop the attack??

Do you feel you have the moral duty to protect yourself and others that might be in the house??

If you answer 'yes' to the 3 questions above, you already know what you need to do. If you answer 'no' to any question, you or someone you know may be badly hurt or dead.

I can't answer for you, Pal, you need to think a little about it and find your own answer.

If you notice, all "what-if" scenarios have the same answer.

May be helpful to read the first part of my sig line;)

-hanko

[chsk9]

I would be forced to call "NoFee" and the priceline negotiator to resolve the matter.

[Capt. Speirs]

This scenario has come up so many times in combat, minor or not, it is your life or his. Unfortunately you will ultimately have to deal with your conscience and that my friend is the real dilemma. I for one would not hesitate, if I thought the perp was a threat to mine or my family's life. If he has come into your house, he is most likely desperate or drugged, or worse, both. At that point you have about ¾ of second to decide when you are face to face, because a human that has adrenaline flowing through his veins can cover 11 feet in less than a second, if you do not have your weapon aimed at him, it is going to get real ugly at that point.

That is why everyone that has guns in the house and intends to use them for home defense needs to take a home defense course. You will also need to decide before the situation arises; can you kill someone if necessary? Don’t play out scenarios in your head or on forums, get trained and live to tell about it. Believe me, the first time you kill someone in self defense, even with training, you will not be well mentally for a while or even ever.

[Wild Squid]

To prevent a worse case scenario: Training and constant training.

You know? I hear a lot about training and more training, but in the end, it all comes down to whether or not you got the balls to pull the trigger or not. Some people got it and some don't, no matter how much training they go through.

[Rudolf the Red]

Smoke 'em.

+1

One less.

[HowardW56]

You know? I hear a lot about training and more training, but in the end, it all comes down to whether or not you got the balls to pull the trigger or not. Some people got it and some don't, no matter how much training they go through.

Mindset, training will help establish a conditioned response. Address the threat, neutralize the threat, and check for other threats...

Repeat it enough times, and even those without "balls" will revert to their training and address the threat. Under stress, you will revert to training.

Try some professional training, if you take it seriously, you might get it...